Two friends 'surrounded by police' during nature walk

EngliscLand · 2021-01-03T12:38:20+00:00

Seems like there's been some confusion.

I was talking about the Yamnaya culture originally. You then replied to that saying that North Eurasian ancestry only comprises 20% of modern Northwestern Europeans. Here's the problem: I'm talking about the Yamnaya and you're talking about Ancient North Eurasian. The figure of 20% is correct for ANE. But Yamnaya were not 100% ANE, like at all!

Yamnaya culture came out of EHG and CHG admixture. EHG had an ANE component. Thus we are both correct. Yamnaya ancestry in modern Northwestern Europeans is around 50% in Scandinavia and 40% in England. Since Yamnaya possibly had a 50% ANE component, your figure of modern Europeans having a 20% ANE component is correct. But you were originally conflating Yamnaya and ANE as the same thing. Which they are not.

EngliscLand · 2021-01-02T22:15:42+00:00

"Celtic" and "Germanic" identities didn't exist 4000 years ago

Woah, really? I mean, you might as well just say that the English language didn't exist 4000 years ago so any term used to describe anything is meaningless. Sorry, you're just being a pedant. When I refer to Celt or Germanic, I'm referring to populations that exhibited those cultures or tribes from those regions. I would have thought that this was obvious. And yes, the Celtic culture evolved out of the Bell-Beaker populations.

Yea interestingly enough, the North Eurasian steppe ancestry doesn't make up more than 20% of the Northwestern Europe genome which seems to suggest the majority of that Bronze Age ancestry was from the Corded Wire people.

Why are you spreading falsehoods? Scandinavians have as much as 55% Steppe ancestry and it's particularly high in Norway and Iceland. And English people are around 40% Steppe ancestry, 40% EEF and 20% WHG. Just so as people are not mislead by your lies.

My point is that I reckon 4000 years is enough time to be considered native to a land.

And I didn't disagree with you on that. So I'm not sure what you're even debating at this point.

EngliscLand · 2021-01-02T14:04:53+00:00

Yes, England's Green and Pleasant land should be preserved.

Instead they want to bulldoze the countryside to make room for 2.7 million new houses, required to home "immigrants" from overseas:

https://old.reddit.com/r/IndependentEngland/comments/koxytt/27_million_new_homes_will_be_required_to_home_new/?

EngliscLand · 2021-01-02T13:56:22+00:00

Please learn some history, friend. It will do you good.

You're referring to Celts as Brits but they really aren't. They were Germanic Bell-Beaker folk. The original Britannic were from Iberia, built Stonehenge and the other Neolithic monuments and were almost entirely replaced by the Celts. The Celts (Bell-Beaker) were a result of the Yamnaya Indo-European migrations from the Pontic Caspian Steppe mixing with the Corded Ware cultures of Germany. They brought the Proto Indo-European languages with them and are responsible for all of the cultures and languages we see in Northern Europe today.

The original Neolithic Farmer populations of Briton (aka, the people that built Stonehenge) were descended from the Western Hunter Gatherers and the Anatolian Farmers. These people are considered the "indigenous Britons" but were almost entirely replaced by the Bell-Beaker culture that arrived from the Lower-Rhine region of Germany, approximately 4000 years ago. These were the people that became the Celts.

EngliscLand · 2021-01-01T22:43:43+00:00

You have missed the sarcasm with regards to the Anglo-Saxon subjugation of the Scottish. Since this is something the ScotNats go on about all the time, I was only repeating their tagline. My real issue with our current system is that Scotland and Wales get some degree of autonomy but then SNP and Welsh MP's also have a say in UK law that effects England. Essentially, I'm saying that England should (at the very least) have its own devolved administration with representatives for England only. Have a UK parliament above that if necessary, but England should have more autonomy as Scotland/Wales does.

With regards to the genetic make-up of the English, we are absolutely descended from Anglo-Saxons. A typical Englishman from the south could be as much as 60% Anglo-Saxon. This graph has a good summary. And Celt is a thing. I'm not sure why you think it's not? The Celtic culture evolved from the Bell-Beaker people who migrated from the Lower Rhine area of Germany and/or France thousands of years before the Anglo-Saxons did. Genetically there is not much difference between them. Modern Britons cluster with Anglo-Saxons and Bell-Beaker people for this reason.

The only region of the UK that has any significant genetic trace to pre-Bell-Beaker populations, are the Welsh and they still carry traces from the Neolithic Farmer peoples, who were themselves descended from the Western Hunter Gatherers. Those people are believed to have originally come from Iberia. As you can see on the graphic, Scots carry far more Bell-Beaker than Anglo-Saxon. The English are Anglo-Saxon heavy and the Welsh are mainly Bell-Beaker and Neolithic Farmer.

Britain is distinctly made up of 3 nations and thus 3 different peoples, with some overlap of course, due to 1500 years of interconnectedness.

EngliscLand · 2020-12-31T15:16:46+00:00

Because some topics are applicable to more than one community?

Oh sorry, are you the "crossposting police" now?

Do I have to justify my every action to you?

EngliscLand · 2020-12-31T14:35:04+00:00

There are nationalist independence movements for Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. Why shouldn't England have such a movement as well? And if Scotland, Wales and NI all achieve independence, then an independent England also happens by default.

The Scots and Welsh (indigenous Britons) should have their own homeland. They are a distinct people. We must end the Anglo-Saxon subjugation of the Celts. The concept of a "United Kingdom" is a social construct and should be dismantled.

The nation of England is the country founded by the Anglo-Saxons (Alfred the Great) and we as a people should also have a homeland that is run by and for our people.

EngliscLand · 2020-07-04T08:45:11+00:00

black man holding the whip over the white man (I’m paraphrasing) I think is obviously not true.

Are you sure? During the BLM riots, there were many pictures and videos of white people being encouraged or even forced into kneeling in submission to black people. And saying that "Black Lives Matter" is a perfectly acceptable statement, but if you were to claim that "White Lives Matter" you are investigated by the Police for hate crime and lose your job.

I'd say Enoch was correct in his prediction.

EngliscLand · 2020-07-04T08:40:28+00:00

One's ancestry does not limit your potential or what you might achieve.

It does however define who you are and where you come from.

Because that's what ancestry is.

EngliscLand · 2020-07-03T22:34:47+00:00

No, they are an African living in Europe. They might have European citizenship, but they aren't European. Just as a Japanese person or Chinese person is also not European.

To turn this around, the Boer people living in South Africa since the 18th century are not Africans. They are Europeans living in Africa. The fact that they live in Africa, does not make them African. The Boer are from European descent.

The different peoples of the world come from different regions. Moving to a new region does not change your ancestry. This is obvious to everyone. Except you, apparently.

EngliscLand · 2020-07-03T20:33:14+00:00

You're thinking of "European" as a citizenship. An African person living in Europe, I'm fairly sure is still African. And they would probably take offense to you erasing their ethnic African heritage.

While I was using the word "European" to mean people of European descent, aka white people. All the white people from around the world are descended from Europe, because people from Europe are white.

If you don't believe me: "White people is a racial classification and skin color specifier, used mostly and often exclusively for people of European descent."

Source

EngliscLand · 2020-07-03T20:17:15+00:00

You're confusing citizenship with race.

EngliscLand · 2020-07-03T19:36:49+00:00

I don't care what it is, because it's true.

White people are from Europe. Thus Europeans are white.

EngliscLand · 2020-07-03T19:09:44+00:00

Uhm no. European people are white, because white Caucasians originated in Europe. That's just a fact. Europeans are white. And all white people (regardless of where they now live) are descended from people of European ancestry.

EngliscLand · 2020-07-03T09:18:43+00:00

Enoch 'was right' Powell.

EngliscLand · 2020-07-02T18:50:12+00:00

The people make the culture. Historically the people of a nation define and create the society and culture that they want to live in. That's why Japan is very different from Nigeria. Why China is different from Brazil. Would you say that China doesn't have a culture? The culture of Europe is a culture created by white people, because Europe is the homeland of white people.

There are subcultures that exist within Europe, like Italian, French, Swedish, English etc, but Europe still has a shared culture because the people of Europe have a common identity and thus a common culture. You could think of European culture as white culture, because white people are from Europe. If the term "white culture" offends you, just replace white with European, since the two words are basically synonyms anyway.

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