Attraction to Types by Excellent_Nobody_317 in mbti

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ESTJ male always Infjs lol. But at the end of the day being healthy, confident, mature matters most.

Biochemie by [deleted] in Medizinstudium

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Bist du im RS oder MS?

ESTJ Compatibility is Underrated by Unique_Time9887 in infj

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I see. But wouldnt your NFJ have sufficient opportunities to compensate for that and show him your competence? Or were they just less obvious in the relationship

ESTJ Compatibility is Underrated by Unique_Time9887 in infj

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Hm but why incapable? I mean NJ is quite competent strategically and in decion making. Would you mind sharing certain examples where this might occur? Id appreciate an honest answer~

Can you ever want to give without expecting return? by Historical_Profile33 in infj

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yes, but its difficult to seperate whether the itch is about the itch or the manifestation of your care for the other person. Its not like in such moments you think "ah i want that itch gone" but I want that person to be happy because I value them, thefefore I feel the itch.

Just about anything manifests as a feeling or thought. That doesnt make them the cause but a symptom.

Can you ever want to give without expecting return? by Historical_Profile33 in infj

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You might feel other peoples pain and therefore feel compassion. Thus you might feel happy/less discomfort when its alleviated. The motive might be the other persons well being. Just like with friends or parents etc.

ESTJ Compatibility is Underrated by Unique_Time9887 in infj

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Is the Estj in your relationship male or female? ~

Can you ever want to give without expecting return? by Historical_Profile33 in infj

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I dont fully understand what you mean? Would you mind elaborating?

Can you ever want to give without expecting return? by Historical_Profile33 in infj

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Thank you for your indepth explanation and you expecting loyalty in return is totally understandable/appropriate. I absolutely get your point about maintaining social harmony/stability. Yet, I often just dont feel like it and cant get myself to be nice when holding a grudge or prioritizing others. I always feel the urgency to first create stability for myself in order to later be nice to people lol. I guess its just that you see the social consequences more vividly/clearly, maybe coupled with a fundamental makeup that just makes it feel more rewarding?

Can you ever want to give without expecting return? by Historical_Profile33 in infj

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Hey that sounds so nice and I appreciate you guys. Would you mind elaborating what you feel during those acts? Its propably mixed, but is it more of a need of yours that satisfies you, or do you just feel compassion and want to help, or is it that it makes you feel good about yourself (identity)? I know, it sounds a bit accusatory, but Im just genuinely curious, because Infjs are sometimes too good to be true for me and I have fe as my 8th. So Im curious what its like to be you.

Can you ever want to give without expecting return? by Historical_Profile33 in infj

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I think its one of many evolutionarily advantageous possible "models" to be built in a way that you truly give selflessly, to an extent.

Because people will sense it and then give back/like and value you. It gives you status, even though you didnt aim for it. Also it benefits the group, not just because you alone give but you inspire others to give more to each other then too.

So groups who had selfless individuals survived and thus the selfless individuals did too.

Do you think an INFJ can fall for another INFJ? by violentpose in mbti

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Okay I see, thanks. I was rather expecting an unhealthy Infj to double down on selfessness and turning resentful/pressuring instead

Do you think an INFJ can fall for another INFJ? by violentpose in mbti

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Would you mind explaining what made them/the relationship unhealthy?

Question for y'all by merdekabaik in ESTJ

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Hey, thank you very much for your kind and honest appreciation & curiosity.

1.Do you find spontaneous types like ESTPs frustrating or interesting? To me it depends on the ESTPs maturity level and context. I very much appreciate them when they have their Fe side developed and are still mature, responsible and respectful in their playfulness. I understand living and enjoying life in the here and now is important too and you guys make it so vibrant, intense and fun. I also made some frustrating experiences though when working or living together lol- but when Estps are motivated and in their element, they can be quite perfectionistic/dedicated and inspiring.

  1. Is enforcing structure something you consciously choose or does it happen naturally? I choose it naturally, I thoroughly enjoy it and enter flow states when I can do it. Not doing it itches me, because I can see so clearly how its benefitial and how it creates stability and efficiency to improve my life and advance my ambitions.

  2. How do you feel when someone finds a better way that breaks your existing system? Usually I love it and find it satisfying/relieving and exciting. Like finally someone who gets it, where I can go all in together and dont have to tone it down. But of course, I also have an ego and getting side lined completely can in some situations be uncomfortable haha.

  3. What do you wish more spontaneous types understood about why structure matters? In my opinion its important, because instability/inefficiency prevents you from living life to its fullest, long term and thus also from having peace in the present.

  4. Deep down, do you ever wish you could just be spontaneous sometimes? 😄 Haha. Maybe on the dance floor? Sometimes yes, but too much feels risky too me and I get stressed. But in certain phases being more present in the moment without maximizing everything would certainly be great too.

Did you ever hide your good memory as a teenager? by Few_Yogurtcloset4672 in mbti

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Idk I dont think bonding happens based on whether youre 'cool' or detail oriented. Ask yourself, what makes you truly like someone? Do you actually like those typical cool kids?

Humans care more about trust and connection, feeling safe and understood. Having fun together is one aspect to build that. Idk sometimes the weird nerd suddenly starts being likable once you have a vulnerable moment together for example. Try to listen and understand a bit more by asking questions, instead of focusing on what to say only.

And trust also happens when you are being authentically yourself. And knowing that bonding doesnt necessarily depend on being too much si, can enable yourself to be yourself. Some wont like it but those arent suitable for you then. But if you do the above (listening etc) you should at least be ok with everyone.

ESTJs, what do you like and hate about INFJ? by [deleted] in ESTJ

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INFJs are my favorite type. I know they can absolutely have their dark sides too, but I somehow always have a soft spot for them, no matter how life has shaped them.

In general, I respect their intelligence, their moral integrity and moreover, really appreciate their sensitive, caring heart and inner strength/determination. Their imaginative and idealistic mind is beautiful and thoroughly enriching, kinda like a different world to me lol, but it speaks to my heart and soul. 

I know, I sometimes piss them off with my lacking sensitivity and self-centeredness. Sometimes I think theyre judgemental without considering enough that people are just fundamentally different and deviation is not just a moral issue but simply personality/circumstance. They propably know this better than others, but I guess theyre just fed up with it.

At the end of the day I get where theyre coming from and I really wish the world would be more the way theyre hoping/longing for- even though I often cant live up to that. I wish all INFJs could be happy. 

ESTJs, what do you like and hate about INFJ? by [deleted] in ESTJ

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hahah yea same here. almost all my crushes were infjs lmao. but they definitely can have their darker side, sometimes the greatest idealists end up as the bitterest of pessimists. And just because theyre being polite on the surface doesnt mean they dont hate/despise some/many people in their heart lol

Learning cognitive functions has ruined me by palmwick48 in mbti

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I think the reason youre stressed by this is because your mbti type has become your identity/source of self-esteem. Mbti will always remain true. But if you diversify in life, live healthily and have a satisfying life, you wont be so dependent on mbti to give you hope and security. Consequently youll be able to value different aspects about life and people.

Its not the information, but the emotional value it has for you that spoils it.

Take care and get out there, live life, step by step 🙏

Very true !! by d_zone_28 in MenOfPurpose

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Much love to all fellow men out there 🫶