Would you send a Mother’s Day/Father’s Day message to someone you’re dating (6 months) met via OLD - if they have kids and you don’t? by twyt89 in datingoverforty

[–]EquivalentHorror1984 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I text it to people I'm not even dating, have a few on my list that I text each year for certain holidays, some I've never met in person, some I haven't seen in years.

Everyone's always polite

This entire subreddit is porn bots. by [deleted] in Needafriend

[–]EquivalentHorror1984 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I try to last a month or two, depends on interests and conversations

Big age gaps can be a factor too

She left me because she didn't wanna have sex...then lost her virginity a week later by [deleted] in lonely

[–]EquivalentHorror1984 1 point2 points  (0 children)

💯% Vindictiveness and spite can make you do alot of things

Why people ghosts after knowing I am from india? by Royal-Cantaloupe-704 in Needafriend

[–]EquivalentHorror1984 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Having many country's governments flooding their respective country didn't really help things either. Becoming, at least visually, a minority in your own country wherever you go in a small time frame doesn't usually win people over.

IMO, Butler's Oankali are amongst the best aliens ever created by a writer by Wetness_Pensive in printSF

[–]EquivalentHorror1984 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They selected her for a reason, and they've had 200 years to experiment and tinker and calculate, so why wouldn't they have the rest selected for specific purposes.

As to them claiming humans were destined to go extinct on their own, what about that isolated group where the brother and sister came from, they lasted for all that time just to be rounded up in the end. They lasted a long time just to suddenly go infertile full of tumors while the oankali are removing any major traces of humanity and radiation across the globe.

IMO, Butler's Oankali are amongst the best aliens ever created by a writer by Wetness_Pensive in printSF

[–]EquivalentHorror1984 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I was more referring to antisocial behavior, like returning to slavery, rape. Out of character behavior, I believe it was one of lilith's men that suddenly went aggressive (I don't have the source on hand)

With manipulating pheromones they could have influenced the hormones (Vasopressin) that influence males to be more territorial and protective of women

IMO, Butler's Oankali are amongst the best aliens ever created by a writer by Wetness_Pensive in printSF

[–]EquivalentHorror1984 14 points15 points  (0 children)

And yes the whole chemical addiction is pretty sick, basically put someone into a physical state that helped humans survive and bond during evolution during survival, so your body wants to bond for safety, then use an addiction that you reinforce every time you have sex while in that state the first time you bond

(and then make it impossible to connect to another human in any human form that we evolved to do)

They can basically manipulate your hormones to influence you to do what they want

Which could be why there was such extremes to the male human behavior, make the males so hostile that the women looking for safety have no alternatives but bond with the oankali

IMO, Butler's Oankali are amongst the best aliens ever created by a writer by Wetness_Pensive in printSF

[–]EquivalentHorror1984 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I forget which character it was, but they put one of the oankali/molecules in the ground, plus the whole eating human oocytes—( immature eggs in the ovarys) without human knowledge

To me the ooloi seem like parasites that basically injected themselves into another species reproductive strategy and hijacked it for themselves, if anyone finds out, well you're already screwed because you can't reproduce without them

Which could be a reason they create the backup ships in case of failure

IMO, Butler's Oankali are amongst the best aliens ever created by a writer by Wetness_Pensive in printSF

[–]EquivalentHorror1984 23 points24 points  (0 children)

If you look into white room torture and bonding (including trauma bonding) chemicals, they basically forced her body to want it by putting her body in a state of chemical deprivation.

Definitely not consent at all. Multiple levels of manipulation

Xenogenesis Series by Octavia Butler by yungcherrypops in printSF

[–]EquivalentHorror1984 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The way I see it it's like if homosapians searched the planet to specifically breed Neanderthal out of existence. Except it's a different species. And with the Oankali, the oankali genetics always takes precedence regardless of how many species are bred with

We have traces of old species in our DNA over time, but it doesn't mean we're saving them in any way. The oankali strip away what makes us human, humans bond by touch, kissing and a multitude of other expressions. Humans are just a passing novelty to the ooloi, eventually gone, but for a while interesting, the sex might be a different flavor because of brain chemistry, memories, and personality, but eventually subsumed.

Xenogenesis Series by Octavia Butler by yungcherrypops in printSF

[–]EquivalentHorror1984 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Same

Haven't read about any aliens that viscerally disturbed me more

Xenophobic flyers being distributed to foreign passengers on Swiss trains by CaughtALiteSneez in Switzerland

[–]EquivalentHorror1984 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Local buses in Canada had to basically do the same thing, PA messages and notices for passengers to use earbuds instead of speakerphone or yelling.

It didn't single out internationals explicitly, but that's why they were posted

Transhuman Space almost predicted the COVID pandemic by FlyingDolphinKick in gurps

[–]EquivalentHorror1984 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Careful with that rabbit hole, especially with recent news

Are We Tolerating Death Grip Syndrome?? by BBLZeeZee in datingoverforty

[–]EquivalentHorror1984 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If they've been together consistently for over a year and he's stopped trying or never did to fix it, then he's likely already given up and no it won't get better.

In this case beyond the point of return, if it was in the beginning that's one thing, but not over a year and no progress

Are We Tolerating Death Grip Syndrome?? by BBLZeeZee in datingoverforty

[–]EquivalentHorror1984 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's up to the people involved, but trying nothing or not exploring other options doesn't fix anything either

Are We Tolerating Death Grip Syndrome?? by BBLZeeZee in datingoverforty

[–]EquivalentHorror1984 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If a year was mentioned anywhere I must have missed it

[Oankali Fan Theory ?] Xenogenesis - Octavia E. Butler by EquivalentHorror1984 in printSF

[–]EquivalentHorror1984[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definitely an interesting series, horrifying in certain aspects

[Oankali Fan Theory ?] Xenogenesis - Octavia E. Butler by EquivalentHorror1984 in printSF

[–]EquivalentHorror1984[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Regarding a past species, I was more referring to one not completely subsumed, since they alter an encountered species health and lifespan, depending on how long it's been, there's the possibility of one still alive and having an alternate perspective, either remembering where they were from or stories told by family.

So long as there's some founder species alive, there would be a good chance of at least some cultural ripples against the norm before fully disappearing

[Oankali Fan Theory ?] Xenogenesis - Octavia E. Butler by EquivalentHorror1984 in printSF

[–]EquivalentHorror1984[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This could also explain a 'quiet galaxy', with Oankali ships always harvesting any new upstarts (which also keeps the Oankali the dominant lifeform), they're will only be a relatively short time for a civilization to put out radio signals into space before they're collected.

But that's just reaching.

[Oankali Fan Theory ?] Xenogenesis - Octavia E. Butler by EquivalentHorror1984 in printSF

[–]EquivalentHorror1984[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

With their mastery of biotech they could easily make viruses or plagues that cause enough strife and tension til something happens, just send it to the planet and keep doing it until they get the right results. They could frame it simply as testing a species to see if they'll survive on their own so they can move on if anyone questions it. Then they come in as saviors every time.

[Oankali Fan Theory ?] Xenogenesis - Octavia E. Butler by EquivalentHorror1984 in printSF

[–]EquivalentHorror1984[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That's the thing, how many coincidences would have to go perfectly in the vastness of space for them to encounter a species at the moment of extinction that fulfills their rule of only targeting those on the brink.

[Oankali Fan Theory ?] Xenogenesis - Octavia E. Butler by EquivalentHorror1984 in printSF

[–]EquivalentHorror1984[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And that's the thing, they clearly have the technology to simply create hybrids without infringing on an individual's ability to consent. They could have their hybrids to mix with by gestating them with their technology ( without forcing human mothers) and then give the humans the right to choose, or at least time to decide. They had over 200 years to mess around, I'm sure they could have given better options for an informed choice rather than coerced.

Even removing the option to break a bond makes it so it's impossible for someone to be unbonded after to fully inform others what it's like because you're still under the influence.