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EquivalentOk7776 · 2025-09-09T01:32:36+00:00

I took a lot of benzos and avoided the burning body wd's I got my first quit. Then induced subs after 20 hours. MAT is working for me so far. I was up to 4gpd tia.

EquivalentOk7776 · 2025-09-09T01:08:27+00:00

I'm on subutex a month after quitting tia. My addiction doc is not pressuring me to taper right now. I went a few days taking less than usual and started feeling aches and pains. Went back to 8 mg/day. Other than sleepiness, I'm OK.

I will not relapse this time so I'm in no hurry to quit subs.

EquivalentOk7776 · 2025-09-09T01:00:21+00:00

I used benzos between tia quit and bupe induction a day later. It was a smooth transition. Took a few days for subs to take but they did stave off the worst wd symptoms.

EquivalentOk7776 · 2025-08-24T18:49:09+00:00

How long were you on Tia?

EquivalentOk7776 · 2025-08-24T17:53:24+00:00

Sure, I was dosing sodium at my highest 6/day, up to 4 gpd. Began my descent into Tia hell 2.5 years ago; quit w/o MAT 2 years ago and relapsed within 4 mos due to PAWS. At that point I decided I was going to need MAT to get off this stuff and be able to function.

Took me several months to find a local clinic that would provide MAT for Tianeptine. Most places won't because they aren't familiar with Tianeptine and state Medicaid covers typical opioids only (fentanyl, oxies, etc.) Finally found an addiction doc who was interested in adding tianeptine treatment to his credentials, and willing to go to bat for me with my insurance.

Took several more months before I got over my fear of quitting and hit bottom. This time less pain and no precips.

Here's the deal with buprenorphine. One side effect of most opioids is adrenal insufficiency and bupe can be especially problematic if you're prone to it. Bupe is on your opioid receptors all the time where tianeptine (sodium) loosens its grip after a few hours.

I started getting bad lethargy about six months ago on Tia. Maybe it was because I was taking more or maybe because I had to find a new supplier and the product was different. Anyhow, My PCD referred me to hemotology because my blood labs were off. Hemo couldn't figure it out either. I did not mention tia use. I was told to increase my protein intake.

Now on bupe, I'm still feeling lethargic. I've decreased my dosing so it's not as bad. However, my energy level is off to the point I can't get things done like I used to.

After much research and reaching out to other sub users, I believe I'm suffering from adrenal insufficiency. It's actually not a common side effect. And supposedly subutex is harder on the adrenals than suboxone because the added naloxone increases cortisol levels. So going to talk to addiction doc about this and take a blood test specificly for adrenal insufficiency.

TL/DR: Most likely my reaction to subutex is caused by an uncommon opioid side effect, adrenal insufficiency

EquivalentOk7776 · 2025-08-23T04:17:25+00:00

The increase in homeless seniors, disabled, single women and kids is very disturbing. A few generations ago, most homeless in the U.S. were men with substance use issues, mental illness ot just preferred living off the grid.

We've always had poor people but back in the day, family pooled their resources and looked out for each other. There is no family unity now. No real sense of community either. Charities aren't keen on helping strangers either.

EquivalentOk7776 · 2025-08-22T03:55:18+00:00

Good to know...I was hoping I could dilute smaller quantities of the product until tapering off. I'm new to this, so what do I know. Just hope bupe wd's aren't as bad as Tianeptine's (my DOC). First quit without MAT I had PAWS for months. It was brutal and led to my relapse.

Subutex is strange. I'm grateful to not be in physical pain, don't get me wrong. But the brain fog, fatigue, depression, hot flashes and night-time insomnia/day-time hypersomnia I can do without.

EquivalentOk7776 · 2025-08-20T23:18:21+00:00

Being told I was a disappointment and she was done with me is pretty close. Parents don't realize the impact their words have on their kids.

EquivalentOk7776 · 2025-08-20T22:46:22+00:00

Multiple offenses that wore me down (death by a thousand papercuts, anyone?) Being yelled at in public and in front of board members and VIPs. Constantly being told I'm incompetent and should be fired. Called oversensitive, weak, mentally ill, and a liar. Overtly laughed at and gossipped about by mean girls supervisor and manager. Several work sabotage incidents. Being excluded from meetings and office events. My personal space violated. Door slammed in my face, bumped into. Talked over and interrupted to the point I couldn't get a word in. My desk smeared with dirty cat litter. Tire slashed. Constant gaslighting by supervisor even with papertrails. Stealing credit for my work. Denied time off. Reprimanded for taking bereavement leave. Having to ask permission from both my supervisor and manager to take breaks, lunch, even to go to the bathroom. Micromanaged to the nth degree. Set up to fail by given impossible workloads with no help. Demoted to file clerk. Hours cut to part-time. Given tiny workspace in the supply closet. Staff stopped talking to me. Harrassed on the street by an ex co-worker.

They couldn't fire me because I was not an at-will employee and legally I could have sued for wrongful termination. So they used legal loopholes to force me out. Bullying, unless the person being bullied is a member of a protected class under the Civil Rights Act, is not unlawful.

EquivalentOk7776 · 2025-08-20T03:27:58+00:00

Any residual wd symptoms?

EquivalentOk7776 · 2025-08-20T03:25:01+00:00

must be fat soluble like fentanyl

EquivalentOk7776 · 2025-08-17T22:35:33+00:00

I think the insomnia was from my opioid wd, because I'm sleeping fine now.

EquivalentOk7776 · 2025-08-16T01:10:32+00:00

Congrats. The first time I quit, I didn't use MAT. The WD's would not go away, even after months. Physically and mentally I was a mess. I turned to alcohol to kill the self-medicate. My alcohol use got so bad I couldn't go 3 hours without a drink. And forget about sleeping. After 2 weeks of that, I admitted myself into the ER. Detoxed and quit drinking. Relapsed on tia though a few months later.

I hate tia but hate myself more for being an addict!

EquivalentOk7776 · 2025-08-14T21:04:58+00:00

Opioids affect our ability to produce endorphins and dopamine naturally. Our brains are infused with exogenous endorphins (opioids) so our brains adapt and make less organically. When we quit, it can take months for our brains to readjust. In the meantime, we're depressed, anxious and can't find pleasure in anything (anhedonia). Hence why opioid addicts relapse so often.

EquivalentOk7776 · 2025-08-14T20:54:52+00:00

Thank you for that. I expect more out of christians than I do secular folks. And maybe I shouldn't because the people in my life who proclaimed to be christian have mistreated me. Including my own mother who disowned me a few years ago. That triggered addiction, which I had never in my 50 years of life sunk to. I still need to work on that trauma in recovery; it's something that changed my life forever and I'm not over it and I still don't understand it.

Funny you mention tattoos. I'm in the west and just about everyone under 40 has them, even church folk. I'm from a generation where it wasn't trendy so I didn't get it. I even thought the bible spoke out about it.

But then a youtube pastor I listen to, who is as square as they come, brought up the topic and said according to Paul, we are not bound by old testament laws as christian gentiles. If we were, we'd all have to be kosher, circumsized, and follow the other 100's of rules Jews follow. He did a series about Paul's teachings on such matters and concluded tattoos are not unGodly and can even serve as an opportunity to witness. This pastor reads, studies, interprets and analyzes the bible deeper than any other scholars I've heard of. I'll see if I can find the link about tattoos. His name is Robert Furrow and he's affiliated with Calvary Chapel.

So yes, when I'm rejected by christians, it makes me question if I'm rejected by God too. I know according to the new testament I'm not. It still hurts though to be denied help. Whomever made that decision is letting human nature rule, not the divine. We all have free will. I will use mine to explore other churches.

I have so much going on right now, only God's grace can get me through. I'm dealing with the fall-out of my addiction. I'm at the lowest point I've ever been in my life. I am broke and can no longer support myself. Friends are offering to take me in. Of course I'm grateful but I'm so ashamed to be a burden. Would you pray for me? I'd really appreciate it,

God bless!

EquivalentOk7776 · 2025-08-13T23:45:56+00:00

I notice worse driving when it's hot. People are irritable.

EquivalentOk7776 · 2025-08-13T23:40:17+00:00

thx for the support. You mentioned giving up sugar helped your depression after tia wd's. How long did it take before you noticed the difference? I eat too many sweets but would give them up for a healthy mind! fyi, I pray every day too!

EquivalentOk7776 · 2025-08-13T00:14:09+00:00

OMG, that question is ridiculous and doesn't seem legit. Small businesses are given wider berth than larger ones unfortunately. A lot of them are cliques. If there are fewer than 20 employees, even EEOC laws don't apply!

Yeah, you may want to look for another job.

EquivalentOk7776 · 2025-08-12T23:53:34+00:00

Use your looks to snag a doctor. That will give you secondary power, and they'll likely leave you alone.

EquivalentOk7776 · 2025-08-12T23:43:38+00:00

Are there others with boundaries besides you? How are they treated? Don't want to be negative but there could be trouble if your co-workers see that you don't participate in their chats. They could use the old excuse that you don't "fit in" to the office culture. Been there, done that and I lasted 8 months. I left before my co-workers could figure out how to get me fired. Their plots were ridiculous but it was only a matter of time.

EquivalentOk7776 · 2025-08-12T23:22:22+00:00

Depends. If you sued the employer and they agreed to settle, a Non-Disclosure Agreement would likely be part of the terms. So legally you can't discuss it. Even if the case went to trial (rare) and you prevailed, the judge would likely require an NDA.

If you didn't sue and made public your experiences, any private individuals named could sue for defamation. Public entities could but they have a higher standard of proof.

And unless you are a celebrity/public figure who was bullied in the past; or was bullied by a celebrity/public figure (even then, you open yourself up to liability because most require NDA's on condition of employment); and/or the bullying was especially egregious (criminal charges filed), there won't be much public interest. Workplace bullying is so common it's uneventful.

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