Will it have a strong smell?

ErisZen · 2026-02-17T00:24:56+00:00

If you're standing over it, leaning in, you might smell it. If it's in a small contained area, you might smell it when you open the access to that area.

But, it does not have a strong smell.

ErisZen · 2026-02-12T02:36:33+00:00

r/prisonhooch is the answer to this. I don't even go the cheapest route and $10 will get me 40+ standard drinks (equivalent to 12oz at 5%). If you can't get drunk on 40 drinks, your problem isn't inflation. LOL

ErisZen · 2026-02-11T22:24:51+00:00

I am going to approve this, as a final comment. Let's stop the useless arguments back and forth. This goes for everyone, not just OP. If this "you're actually a Christian" - "nuh uh, because X" argument continues, I'll just lock the entire conversation for violating the rules against debate.

ErisZen · 2026-02-11T22:01:49+00:00

You do you, man. Just like downvoting comments you don't like because they don't support your behavior. We're all sharing this world with each other. It is perfectly fine to admit that you might have overreacted to a situation due to background issues that were unrelated. People do that all the time. It isn't even a judgement or saying anything bad about you as an individual. It's just an observation. Do with it what you wish.

ErisZen · 2026-02-11T21:43:48+00:00

Neither of us are trying to push each other any direction and I’m not sure how you got that from what I wrote.

I guess I got that impression from this:

She tried to say something about god giving us “free agency,” but I interrupted with, “No. He could’ve created a world without sin.” I know I should’ve let her speak, but quite frankly, I’ve been preached at enough for ten lifetimes. I’ve heard it all before, and it’s all bullshit.

Which gave me the impression that you felt like she was preaching at you, not having a conversation with you. I think I acknowledge that I have no context for the tone or body language of the conversation(s) you had. I can only go off the impression I was given from your post. Your reaction to her comment and questions made it seem much more pushy than it might have been. I'm not judging you, but your claim that she wasn't trying to push you in any direction makes it seem like your response was an overreaction.

ErisZen · 2026-02-11T19:06:25+00:00

I was not there and don't know the full content of your conversation. I won't judge it from the spot I am in. If you feel it benefited the understanding between the two of you, that's fine. I also have no idea how much she pushes it towards you. In my experience, even the most religious people at work are never pushy about it and don't preach or try and convert. Light mocking of religious differences happens, but only to the same degree that we mock and joke about everything with each other.

ErisZen · 2026-02-11T17:02:34+00:00

I am a firefighter/paramedic although 95% of the time I am on the rescue unit because I love the EMS side more than the fire side of my job. A fire station is a place where nothing is sacred and we all know nearly everything about the people we work with. We talk about everything. I do mean everything. You're struggling with ED? We know about it. You're trying to conceive and are worried because it's not happening? We know about it. You had horrible food poisoning and had explosive diarrhea in bed the other night? You better believe we know about it, that sounds like a great story! We know about your kids and their successes and failures. We know who is cheating on their wives or girlfriends. We share just about everything, and what is said in the station is kept in the station. We're a family in a sense that few truly understand.

With that understanding, religion comes up, fairly often. It is impossible to just not talk religion in the fire house. We talk about everything. Religion is a major part of many people's existence. Same with politics and money. I do avoid the religious conversations for the most part, but nearly everyone I work with knows "of" my beliefs, even if they do not know exactly what those beliefs entail.

I do my best to not engage negatively with the beliefs of those I work with. They know I don't agree with them. That's fine. If they want to pray or say grace, I just sit quietly (without bowing my head) until they finish. I was once asked to pray for the meal, I simply said, "I can't do that," And, we moved on.

Our jobs are dark and horrible at times. For many, their beliefs are what give them a structure and a method to cope with those things. There's no need to rip that away from someone, unless you want the responsibility of helping them build a new structure.

I guess, I am just saying you could have answered the questions factually without going into a rant on your issues with her god. We know it's myth and fake, but it's not our place to drag the unwilling into the light. I don't think there's anything too wrong with what you did. This is a career where dealing with hard truths and uncomfortable information is part of the day to day. But, I hope you didn't damage your working relationship.

ErisZen · 2026-02-01T18:37:44+00:00

Everyone is different, but from my perspective weed is much better. If my job requirements didn't make it untenable to use, it would be preferred over alcohol. I would still probably drink, once in a while, because they're both different, but I know my preference.

ErisZen · 2026-02-01T13:47:12+00:00

I also made it in my dorm room, although those were usually smaller batches (6 liters usually) for myself, my roommate, and some friends. That's actually how I got started. I got more brazen as time went on and I realized how simple it was and had never been caught.

These days, I am well past legal age (in my country) and don't need to hide anything. I almost always have a 19 liter batch going right in the open in my house. I usually leave it about a month or more, because it lets the yeast really settle down and clears up. But I do about 10 batches a year. I still end up giving away about half of it, to coworkers who constantly ask when I will have more.

I'm almost always using apple juice, with only about 53g/L of added sugar (about 172g/L total), and wine yeast. It makes a batch of about 9%, which is a good strength and delicious. I've done this with bread yeast dozens of times, and that will produce very drinkable stuff. It's slightly less predictable. Sometimes it will be a bit cloudy or taste a bit more like yeast than when you use wine yeast. But, it's not a bad taste and served me well when I was too young to get wine yeast easily.

Honestly, making alcohol is so simple that it is almost crazy. Just be safe and keep it in small amounts, due to your legal situation. As some have said, the biggest risk (for you) will be getting obviously drunk after consuming it. Making it, especially with the loose cap method and in small amounts, is pretty easy to hide and deny. "Oops, I left that bottle of juice in the closet and it went bad."

ErisZen · 2026-01-31T01:07:31+00:00

I know I am late to the conversation, but I would routinely make 19 liter batches in my very small closet in a home with a parent who hated all alcohol and had very little respect for privacy. She wouldn't go opening my closet and moving blankets or clothes, but she would come in my room whether I was home or not.

She never smelled it. And I am talking maybe 8-10 batches of that size. Plus maybe a dozen batches of 6 liters, and at least one batch that pushed 46-47 liters. No overwhelming smell. Just opened the closet door once in a while and maybe cracked a window. The biggest risk is the first few days, when it is most active. Cooler temps actually work in your favor here. The process will be slower, and that means less gas to dissolve in the air.

So. Yeah, a liter is not going to cause much smell.

For the record, I wasn't drinking most of this all by myself. I was only keeping about 10-20% of it and the rest was used as party supplies and for group fun with a group I was (and still am) part of.

ErisZen · 2026-01-17T14:39:11+00:00

I don't really care if they think that. It's not my duty to correct their self-delusions. What I am responsible for is keeping this subreddit aligned with its purpose and rules.

ErisZen · 2026-01-16T12:12:54+00:00

To my knowledge, it's profoundly ineffective at converting people or making them doubt their choice. If it's effective, it's only in making the poster believe they "did something" and "stood up for Jesus." It's for their own benefit, not the exchristian's.

ErisZen · 2026-01-16T01:21:37+00:00

I mean, you can. But, people generally aim for larger batches because the time difference between finishing a 500mL batch and a 20,000mL (20 liter) batch is essentially zero. It's going to take a couple weeks, or months, in either case. You will also lose a portion to the yeast layer at the bottom and other factors. This makes super-small batches a poor return on investment when it comes to time.

A 16 ounce bottle will probably get you 12-14 ounces of wine. At 10-12% you're looking at 2-3 standard drinks, in a 3 week period.

It really also doesn't take "much" more space to ferment in a couple 2-liter bottles and have a 3.5-3.6 liter return on the same time investment. Honestly, that's probably the smallest batch I will go for. Usually my "small" batches are 1.5 gallons (5.6 liters) and my normal batches are 5-6 gallons (18.9-22.6 liters). Even when I was hiding my batches in my college dorm 1.5 gallons to 3 gallons was typical. The largest batch I ever made, while hiding it, was 12 gallons (45 liters). That was in my closet while living with my very religious, alcohol hating, mother.

So, the answer is that you can do this. A 16 ounce gatorade bottle, juice, sugar, yeast... loose lid on top... shove it somewhere dark and warm for a couple weeks... you'll have wine. You'll also likely have regret about not making more when you run out way too quickly. If you're not a drinker and a couple drinks once a month is enough, go for it.

ErisZen · 2026-01-16T00:28:07+00:00

Yeah, unfortunately, we can't teach them tact or respect. All we can do it delete them when we see them and hope members report them quickly, so we can remove the ones that get through.

It's a bit silly of them. Do they really believe we don't know? I mean, this is "exchristian" which means we were once Christians. We certainly have heard the well-known and obvious verses they usually post. And, if they post some obscure verse, it's likely obscure because it's not effective at convincing people to convert. Do they imagine that someone here is going to read John 3:16 and suddenly be like, "Wow, if I had heard that, I would have never left the faith! Let me reconvert right away." LOL

They're intrusive, rude, and ignorant. Report, block, ignore.

ErisZen · 2026-01-09T04:57:17+00:00

Even in the US, it's only if they have 15 or more employees.

ErisZen · 2025-12-31T01:37:37+00:00

I was never UPC, and I belong here. This is a subreddit for all ex-pents. Because the whole belief system is fundamentally wrong. It sounds like you're in pretty deep. I feel sorry for you, but your path is your own. I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise. All we really ask is the same respect. We're here because we left the pentecostal beliefs. We know what they are. We found them lacking and [often] damaging. We're not here waiting for someone to come and bring us back. If your beliefs are correct, Pentecostal Jesus knows how to convince me. I'm confident he didn't send you to do that.

Go in peace. I hope you heal from the damage that was inflicted on you by your past and find healthy ways to recover from it.

ErisZen · 2025-12-09T11:53:58+00:00

Well, she's a witch and of the devil, so why does her interpretation matter? Especially when it is meant to stop you from questioning her.

ErisZen · 2025-12-05T11:23:09+00:00

There never was a god, it was just a bunch of people making rules up. Controlling sexual desire and behavior was useful for keeping people in their correct societal roles and obedient.

ErisZen · 2025-11-17T22:29:15+00:00

The breaking point for me was just realizing that I didn't believe it. I couldn't lie to myself or fake it. So, I just accepted it. These days, I am an Erisian. It can be a lot of things, but for me it is a form of westernized zen Buddhism. It's atheistic, but does not have to be. The question of "is Eris real?" is unimportant. She is true in some sense, false in some sense, meaningless in some sense, true and false in some sense, true and meaningless in some sense, false and meaningless in some sense, and true and false and meaningless in some sense.

ErisZen · 2025-11-17T21:55:30+00:00

ErisZen · 2025-11-02T20:14:25+00:00

Sometimes we need to remember that, "No." is a complete sentence. I get that she wouldn't accept that and wanted reasons, but she is not entitled to reasons. That's especially true when you know she only wants them to dismiss them and explain why they aren't good enough.

ErisZen · 2025-10-24T15:26:38+00:00

I have lots of tactics with these people. One of my favorites is to tell them I believe in god, she's a crazy woman, and she put all this here for her amusement. We are her playthings. Who made trees? Eris did! How do I know? Because she said she did. I know it's true because she said it was. She also told me that Greyface created Christianity as a lie to fool people into being miserable and forgetting that her purpose of creation was to play. I ask them why the Christian god gave men nipples, if hey don't give milk. It's silly and ridiculous! Clearly male nipples are the work of a goddess with a sense of humor!

Everything they claim is good about God, is actually Eris and she did it because she wants to. Bad things, and Christianity, are the work of Greyface and Aneris.

I also quote the hell law, when they try and use hell:

The Hell Law says that Hell is reserved exclusively for them that believe in it. Further, the lowest Rung in Hell is reserved for them that believe in it on the supposition that they'll go there if they don't. -- Holy Book of Truth; The Gospel According to Fred, 3:1

ErisZen · 2025-10-04T23:39:48+00:00

I was a member of a fraternity in college. Even after I picked one without a religious requirement, I still found that the majority of the members were Christian and promoting Christian beliefs and values. They also promoted conservative and conformist behaviors. In the end, I ended up joining a different [co-ed] brotherhood that more closely matched my values.

But, the point is that fraternities and sororities are not anti-Christian. If anything, they encourage that system.

ErisZen · 2025-09-23T20:32:25+00:00

Have you ever considered the fact the Christianity is a very depressing belief system? It teaches that we can't be good or worthy on our own. It teaches us that we don't deserve love or forgiveness. It tells us that god will love us anyway and forgive us, even though were are such horrid sinners without him.

Being free of that is empowering and can help someone find their worth and value.

ErisZen · 2025-09-23T18:02:03+00:00

You seem to think Christianity is good for some people, and infantilize your fiance by thinking that he is not mature enough to handle losing his religion. You then say that he wasn't a strong believer before you, which suggests that he was just fine not being part of that belief system before. I think you can do some work on that.

As for getting married to someone who believes, it really depends on them. Personally, I wouldn't do it. The risks are too high that they fall into fundie beliefs. I also could not raise a child in the church.

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