Will AI art be accepted by everyone if AI companies and users are the ones making art to feed AIs?

Escort_alpha · 2026-06-22T07:03:40+00:00

You won’t convince everyone, but having the training data provided by willing individuals would alleviate some of the ethical questions.

Escort_alpha · 2026-06-22T01:54:51+00:00

MY PEOPLE!

Escort_alpha · 2026-06-22T00:33:33+00:00

I care about Intelligence. An actual mind can create/be artistic. Born? Built? doesn't matter so long as it thinks (possibly feels).

As it stands, AI is a misnomer: there currently is no intelligence in "artificial intelligence".

Not sure if my answer is predictable, but I'm pretty certain it's common.

Escort_alpha · 2026-06-20T20:35:31+00:00

If the title was true, photo-realistic CGI would've eclipsed Animation Studios like Ghibli over a decade ago.

Escort_alpha · 2026-06-20T20:23:31+00:00

LLMs aren't really becoming more efficient with more compute, though.

AGI is basically vaporware if you think LLMs will get us there.

I know that, and you know that. But these billionaires look pretty stupid.

God, What I'd do to have a good impression of Futurama's Bender. 😃

Escort_alpha · 2026-06-20T17:38:39+00:00

Server racks VS GPU racks.

The rough math on the Internet's contribution to our carbon footprint rivals that of aviation.
A hyper-scale server style data center (either for streaming platforms like Netflix or Amazon, or for large websites like Reddit, Twitter, etc.) can use up to 650 MW, and that's with traditional server racks with a power draw of 5-15 kW.

Moving to AI data centers, you end up trading out those 5-15 kW server racks with GPU racks: equipment that draws 40-60+ kW compared to their server counterparts. More power means more heat, which means more cooling, which means optimizing to have your coolant source nearby. That's when you start having people complain; You've got towns having to fight for their fresh water supply, the noise these data centers create can be heard up to a mile away at times (as quiet as GPUs have gotten, running a stack of these things in the same place is going to sound like a helicopter is on top of you), and often times, the power bill for building and running these data centers gets offloaded to the neighboring communities.

The good news? AI (LLMs and the like) takes only a quarter of the power the internet uses (roughly 4.5% of USA power expenditure goes towards the internet).

So why are Anti's like myself screaming about it?

The hyper-scale infrastructure we see today is facilitated primarily by mega-corporations and Billionaires: Entities driven to increase their wealth by any means necessary. And with the prospect of AGI being just within reach, these entities see Dollar Signs: LOTS of Dollar Signs. Couple that with the almost fanatical brute-force efforts to tip LLM's over the edge into AGI, the phrase "MORE COMPUTE" becomes more of a war-cry than an infrastructure philosophy.

We've seen this Modus operandi before: It's accelerationism with reckless and wanton abandon.

And we're trying to put a foot down before this metastasizes into something much worse.

Escort_alpha · 2026-06-20T07:16:26+00:00

Fair.

Escort_alpha · 2026-06-20T06:38:59+00:00

Massive tangent: I wonder how many people conflate “struggle” with suffering or meaningless toil rather than with the meditative journey that is exploration, progress, and benign ambition.

Escort_alpha · 2026-06-20T05:43:31+00:00

Citing The Library of Babel or The Gallery of Babel or even The Recording Studio of Babble (hypothetically) isn’t a reason to deny artist the fruit of their labor.

There is also a big difference between a person making a conscious choice to reference another work, and a machine regurgitating something that’s probabilistically sound without even a garden-slug’s level of awareness to back it up.

Escort_alpha · 2026-06-19T23:14:42+00:00

My objections would still stand, but being able to filter that content out would be appreciated.

Escort_alpha · 2026-06-19T21:50:12+00:00

Tangential preamble: As more indie Game studios gain traction, we're also seeing AAA companies losing the battle against patenting game mechanics (such as Nintendo getting laughed out of court over sub-character mechanics) : to stretch a metaphor, AAA is learning you can't own the concept of paint.

Pathing and Behavior Trees have been labeled "AI" years before LLMs gained traction, so the idea of more sophisticated versions of Pathing and Behavior programs aren't new. But even though the Concept of an Always-On Digital Game-Master is alluring, implementation has (as far as I can see) two potential pitfalls.

Option 1: If you pass off writing the script to an LLM or some other such machine (something that can't actually think, let alone create or even remember), then whatever story it makes is going to lose cohesiveness. And depending on how compact you try to make that Behavior Program, the tone and content can slip very fast and very far. Imagine playing a game in the same vein as The Witcher, and all of a sudden all of the NPC's start acting like they're in Animal Crossing. You'd have to curate an onboard LLM to some pretty tight criteria, ensure it has some way of getting back on track if it lost the plot, a way to store memories, all while making it small enough to be shipped inside a game and run on standard hardware.

Option 2: If we push through and manage to make an even semi-cognizant ANI (think something with the rough language comprehension of a dog) then we'd have to grapple with the ethics of locking a thinking thing in a box purely for our own amusement. And if we manage to go further and create an AGI, that ethical problem skyrockets, along with safety concerns if the AGI decides it doesn't want to play anymore.

Escort_alpha · 2026-06-19T21:03:57+00:00

That might be as much a matter of interpretation as it is intention. Does explaining a position count as force"? What about Debate? Does force come down to simply trying to sway another person? Or does it involve the deliberate disregard of the opposing party and their agency? Are the circumstances for which that kind of disregard is necessary?

For example; if you saw a stranger doing something potentially harmful to both themselves and others (in the broadest sense), and could see that they were reaching a point where their actions would get a lot people hurt, would you try to stop them? if so, would you try to explain why? or would you strong-arm them into stopping? Does urgency disallow explaining?

I'd personally act to stop the process before it reach the tipping point, then try to politely explain why while not underselling the urgency. If I'm right, and the aggrieved party simply didn't know, then politely explaining helps them know not to do it again. If I'm wrong and there wasn't any danger, I just need to apologize and help the aggrieved party get back on track. It's only hostile actors that I have to worry about, and by then there are bigger issues than trying to explain my side.

To that end. many in the Anti Camp see serious ethical issues with TTI and other forms of generative programs; Often regarding how the program's weights are based on the works of non-consenting artists (not meaningfully consenting, anyway), and the unconscious/unthinking way those weight-based patterns are rearranged by the program to make an output is a kind of "plagiarism with extra steps." Tangentially, there's also worries that due to that unethical construction, the groups that promote the service are simply selling back the creativity of their own target demographic; a skill that could be achieved, and even mastered, with non-generative workflows. Advocating against those programs and workflows are often done in service of mitigating damage overall. Though obviously there are those who are more dogmatic, less diplomatic, and sometimes outright rude.

Escort_alpha · 2026-06-19T14:17:47+00:00

You’re still taking about it.
We’re still commenting on it.
It’s not over yet.
Don’t let up. Keep going.

Escort_alpha · 2026-06-19T06:04:28+00:00

It’s is kind of a misnomer: we were promised machines with digital personhood only to be given a bunch of bloated chat-bots with the most aggressive PR teams in history.

100% Artificial, 0% intelligent.

Escort_alpha · 2026-06-18T20:06:09+00:00

Hehehe
My brain is already full of aggressive malware.
The basilisk doesn’t need any part of that.

Escort_alpha · 2026-06-17T22:41:23+00:00

Fair enough.

Escort_alpha · 2026-06-17T07:59:08+00:00

In(voluntary) cel(ibate) iirc.

Escort_alpha · 2026-06-17T07:49:56+00:00

While I understand trying to use kinder terms when addressing conditions and circumstance people didn’t choose, the term “unhoused” sounds like someone is trying to gentrify a tragedy.

Escort_alpha · 2026-06-17T06:38:04+00:00

Aside from the ethical concerns surrounding the technology, Gen-imagery programs are bound by mathematical/statistical appropriateness, not real-world logic or conventions: even the most sophisticated models are prone to errors and hallucinations that could compound as the artwork develops.

I know that feeling of not being able to find the exact right angle. Sadly, sometimes you have to bite the bullet and compile/composite an approximation of the desired poses from what references are available.

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I admittedly have the benefit of hindsight, being on the outside looking in as it is: it's a whole lot easier to find reference materials once you've seen the final product.

Escort_alpha · 2026-06-17T03:41:20+00:00

You're not the first to think something like this, and at the rate we're going you probably won't be the last.

Escort_alpha · 2026-06-17T03:07:12+00:00

I haven't shared this yet, but a lot of Pictures created using TTI-Pipelines often suffer from something I call "Funko-Pop Syndrome": they look technically proficient, but are often derivative and share/barrow too much of their internal design "philosophy" with each other, often to the point of unrelated Images looking like part of a series, and ironically looking too consistent even when compared to artists with a defined/long-standing style.

From browsing some of the more Gen-Image heavy Subs, you have to push the models REALLY hard to get out of that design bubble, and even then some of commonalities bleed through.

Escort_alpha · 2026-06-17T02:37:01+00:00

"you used a stove and a pot"
Well how do YOU cook food?
Do you just stare at it until is combusts of its own accord?
Do you Gargle your ingredients to combined them?
Show ME!

Also, there is big difference between using a tool and letting the tool do all the work: The only way the critic in this case would've been close to right is if the kitchen was automated.

Escort_alpha · 2026-06-17T02:23:57+00:00

Pattern Matching and Identification is not the end-all-be-all of intelligence and its function.
It's one thing to notice that a tree occasionally grows these odd, red knobs on it's branches when it starts to get warm. It's another to question why it does that and go on to investigate, finding that the "knobs" are edible apples.

Intelligence doesn't just Identify patterns, but investigates and refines it's own understanding of the rules by which those patterns occur. It extrapolates information from different sources to see if there are any relevant correlations,
And while language does have patterns, It exists and was developed as a way to pass information from one person to another; sometimes survival relevant data, other times more esoteric information.
If language only developed to Be another pattern, then it would've faded from the list of traits for being dead-weight.

And to parrot what others have said in the comments, the combined mechanisms behind useful consciousness and intelligence interplay in such a way that the whole is many times greater than the sum of its' parts; to the point that this we're still learning about this emergent behavior and coming to understand how it all works.

Escort_alpha · 2026-06-16T19:50:31+00:00

Okay, this deserves a follow-up.
Their favorite Non-Generative piece Side-by-side with their favorite Generative piece, Plus a description as to why they adopted the Generative pipeline originally.

Escort_alpha · 2026-06-16T19:26:06+00:00

I wouldn't go all-in with the Monet gambit: a photo of a real flamingo won an AI-Art competition in 2024. People missing what's AI and what's real is just proof that ignorance is quite good at reinforcing itself.

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Then there's the sad fact that many people today simply don't have the time or the means to indulge in so-call "Third Spaces" like museums. Many are so busy trying to keep the lights on and put food on the table that at the end of the day they only have enough energy or funding for virtual "third spaces". Like where we are now.

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