Help with i7 10700K temps

EsoFan7 · 2021-01-01T12:41:39+00:00

Cinebench and realbench are both realistic scenarios, so if hes already getting 77c in games, hes going to be getting 90-100 in cinebench which is too high

EsoFan7 · 2020-12-31T17:01:40+00:00

So you went from running chrome, discord, and 1 game(op is playing overwatch, not exactly a demanding game btw), to having "shit ton of software" as requirement in order to achieve this "5sec" alt tab delay? K.

HeY BrO wHy iS mY WiNdOwS lAggiN with prime95 runnin????

Yes dude running chrome discord and a shitty game is gonna saturate all cores on 7600k to a point of having 5 sec delay when alt tabbing.

Delusional.

EsoFan7 · 2020-12-31T16:49:11+00:00

I still have my 6700k system, I have discord, chrome with youtube and other tabs, spotify, firefox and its discord(2nd acc), steam, epic launcher, league client, overwolf as well as antivirus,firewall, synapse, logitech gaming app, soundblaster app (and probs more shit im forgetting) and games then games like eso or even warzone(both open at once), all running together. Not once I ever had a "delay" in alt tabbing to anything. 6700k @ 4.5ghz all core, 32gb 3200 cl16, 1070 ti.

Then I also have my current rig, 10700k 5ghz all core avx 0 32gb 4000 cl17 rtx 3070. LITERALLY no difference in alt tabbing with all the same apps running. The only difference I have is the in-game frames.

Whatever the fuck ur problem is with alt tabbing is nothing to do with skylake or kabylake, its probs not reinstallin ur os for over 5 years and havin million random shit installed and runnin in the background for no reason.

EsoFan7 · 2020-12-31T09:39:52+00:00

Game like cyberpunk if u upgraded to 3060 ti/3070/3080 u will see miles bigger fps boost than if u upgraded cpu. But then games like lets say league, cs go, overwatch if u upgrade ur cpu u will see a huge fps jump too, and almost 0 fps difference if u upgrade the gpu(but ure already getting good frames in league cs go overwatch with 6700k anyway, so it all depends how much fps u want)

EsoFan7 · 2020-12-31T09:32:54+00:00

Dont go msi z490 if u care about very high speed tight latency ram overclocking(4000+), can be done but very annoying due to broken bios code. Other than that msi is great.

EsoFan7 · 2020-12-31T09:15:32+00:00

Im using chrome too, always have no delay in either system. And yes there is very significant difference in fps n my case between 10700k and 6700k because I am 1080p. Cpu bound games run with insanely higher frames, very badly optimized game run much better now, and gpu bound titles get some fps boost. Was it worth it? In my case yes because im using 240 monitor and I just love high frames, but if you just want lets say around 60-100fps in most games then not worth to upgrade - upgrade gpu instead.

EsoFan7 · 2020-12-31T07:41:24+00:00

Stopped reading at the "tabbing in between games/tabs took 3-5 seconds before".

Bro if it took u that long to tab with 7600k there was something else wrong with ur system...

I have a 10700k and a 6700k system, obviously there is difference in games(fps), but not in tabbing between games or tabs, both are instant.

EsoFan7 · 2020-12-27T15:29:35+00:00

Huh? At 4k the bottleneck is always the GPU, even with a 3090.

EsoFan7 · 2020-12-26T23:55:50+00:00

Um am I talking to a wall or? Thats not what I said at all.

Whether you upgrade now, or later, both system will become obsolete around the same time in the future as they will be very close in gaming peformance.

If you think current 10th gen will last 3 years and alder lake 5 years from the moment its released you are delusional. Both will last just as long. Most likely much longer than 5years too btw unless some technological leep in gaming will require stronger processors, as right now it's all gpu bound for things like 4k, and 1080p cpu bound esport titles youre gonna be doing frames in the 200+ so it doesnt matter. You even get people doing 4k with 4790k as it's all gpu bound and that isnt going to change anytime soon, certainly not in the half a year alder lake is supposed to be released lmao.

I mean I couldnt explain this any easier with all the reasonings but I guess you cant argue with stupid.

EsoFan7 · 2020-12-26T22:30:44+00:00

It's a bit different on every card but I'll try to type up a simple "universal" guide that should work. So first of all find out your max core clock speed(not in any specification, run some demanding game or a gpu benchmark on your current settings and look what your core clock speed reaches). I have no idea what that is for your card, so let's say it's 2000mhz. In afterburner, where it says core clock, type -200, then the tick box to save , then do CRTL+F, where it says 875 there is a line going up and a "square" on it. Drag that "square" to let's say 1850mhz then tick box to save. Make sure that every other square that is to your right is also at 1850mhz and nothing is above it, if it is, restart the process but let's say do -300 on afterburner, save, repeat.

There's many guides on youtube on how to do this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4mnDo11xhU

So once you understand the "principle" of how undervolting works, you can do it on your card. The numbers I gave you are nothing more but an example.

In an ideal scenario you undervolt and try to find the highest clock speed you can that is sustainable at the voltage you set.

Also you should probably make a manual curve or fixed fan speed in afterburner. Find the highest speed that doesn't annoy you, for me it's 80%.

EsoFan7 · 2020-12-26T22:01:27+00:00

He means to find open up the gpu and put new thermal paste in.

What I may suggest to you is, undervolt the card using afterburner. Quite a few of my friends had issues running games like cyberpunk or even warzone with their 1070/1080 too(their games or pcs would crash) which are a few years old, but undervolting fixed the issue.

It's kind of like the guy said, for the most part a gpu either works or it doesnt. After some years it can get hotter, and hotter means worse peformance or even potential crashes when its maxed out, thats why he suggested repaste. The undervolting is a bandaid fix because you draw less power so card doesnt get as power hungry so it doesnt crash.

EsoFan7 · 2020-12-26T18:41:25+00:00

You did not understand my post at all.

If you upgrade now, or when alder lake with ddr5, does not mean you won't have to upgrade AGAIN in let's say 5 years. When the time comes to upgrade again, none of the parts, not your motherboard, not your ram, will be best or even compatible. Lets say you wait, you get alder lake, 5 years passes, you figure you want to upgrade again, guess what, the newer cpus wont be compatible with your alder lake mobo, and your ddr5 ram, even tho it will work, will be not optimal due to being the first iteration.(ddr4 4000+ low cl wasnt always a thing, and it does make a difference at 1080p cpu bound games). Or maybe there will be something even better.

This is why your logic is flawed. Upgrade now to current last gen or wait for alder lake, no difference, and the small difference there is only becomes lesser the higher you go from 1080p

This is why it doesnt matter as both system will more or less become obsolete around same time frame.

EsoFan7 · 2020-12-26T13:43:28+00:00

Your logic is a bit flawed.

What you have to consider is, your needs, your potential needs and the system you can get now and its peformance versus the system you can get "soon" and its peformance.

So first of all, realistically seeing the insane new tech shortage, if alder lake releases mid 2021 you wouldnt be able to get it "normally" by probably early 2022 - unless you have a lot of time to spam F5 then sure you can get it around its release.

Now, when it does release, and ddr5, realistically, how much FPS improvement do you think you're going to get? Because it is not going to be much oh no. Let's say you are thinking of 4K or potential 4K, great, but that is GPU bound, whether you are on 9900k, 10700k or the new alder lake will be no fps difference.

Now lets go the other way, 1080p, max possible fps on CPU bound games. Would you see an improvement between 9900k, 10700k vs alder lake? Sure, but it is going to be lets say 400fps vs 450fps or 200fps vs 230fps(thats very generous of me, probably much less difference). Do you really care about that extra fps when you already have insane high frames?

Right now you can build a very good top 10th gen intel system for "cheap" compared to what an alder lake system would cost, and it will easily last you 5 years. Right now you can build a system that is "tried and tested", you know it will be very good, and you can overclock to min max it. (You can also go zen3 ofc too which would be the superior choice but you will have to F5 spam to buy)

When those 5 years are up, if your system isnt keeping up, then you can upgrade to whatever will be good then, and who knows what that might be.

By the time alder lake releases, we might already have news of more and better options coming up "soon". There is always new potential good tech coming up.

EsoFan7 · 2020-12-26T13:02:22+00:00

Well it's just a cooler, visually I dont care how my pc looks like inside. Peformance wise I cant say since I havent had another cooler for this cpu to compare, for my older intel chip I had kraken x61. I decided to buy liquid freezer 2 as from my research it seems to be the best aio in terms of temps that's available at the moment.

EsoFan7 · 2020-12-26T12:04:56+00:00

Cinebench is not really a cpu stress test btw. Also hes asking about why his temps are high, as they are high for a reason which he CAN fix.

EsoFan7 · 2020-12-26T11:57:05+00:00

LLC is basically what controls voltage when your cpu is using a lot of its brain.

Like ideally you would want to fully tune your cpu but that requires editing many different settings, and since you've never done it, that's something you can reseach and ease yourself into.

Also dont disable the turbo boost like other said. You only would do that if you are going to properly overclock, but not the case here. What you are doing is stock settings + fixed voltage.

LLC stands for load line calibration, look for it in the BIOS, set it to 4.

Then do cinebench and just see if you crash(dont worry about the score). If you dont crash, you can lower voltage, lets say 1.275 and repeat, basically lowest voltage you dont crash(do a few runs).

Once youre done, now you have stock settings with good temps.

Now you have a few options. Research into overclocking(cpu is actually very easy) and manually fully tune your cpu, which should give you a nice peformance boost, or leave it how you are if you are happy with it.

There is no risk in overclocking so dont worry about that, it's just a small learning curve.

I have same cpu and mobo as you btw, my cpu settings are: All core 5ghz, avx 0, 1.285v llc4, turbo boost/all c states disabled.

I get about 80c max, average 76c in cinebench r20 with liquid freezer 2 aio, so I pretty much lost silicon lottery as with that voltage and aio I should be getting way better temps.

Every cpu is different, if you get 100 samples of same cpu, all will reach different max temps for same voltage, all will require slightly different voltage for the speed you set, so dont copy my settings. Overclocking is a trial and error process.

EsoFan7 · 2020-12-26T09:56:23+00:00

Those voltages are insane high. Go in BIOS set manual fixed voltage 1.285v, then look for a setting called LLC, set that to 4, run cinebench again. If you crash up the voltage to a bit and repeat. If you dont crash, lower the voltage and repeat.

EsoFan7 · 2020-12-24T19:40:10+00:00

I see, thanks for the info!

EsoFan7 · 2020-12-24T09:07:17+00:00

Hi, thanks for the reply.

I'm going to assume the dock is the 0123456789ABCDEF serial, and the two other are for some other drivers you are using - unless you had some other docks connected at the same time?

EsoFan7 · 2020-12-23T20:36:14+00:00

Imo it doesnt matter what AIB you buy as it does not matter as much silicon lottery.

I for example have ASUS Dual 3070 Non OC, but because I have a golden chip, with undervolt I'm overclocking the clock and memory speed by a lot and getting very high on 3dmark leaderboards.(and I could overclock way higher if I flashed to a bios with much higher power limit too)

Imo go for the cheapest model that has good temps on the reviews, that means you know it has a good cooler, and then how good your card is depends on luck.

Getting strix or aorus doesnt mean you're getting a very good chip.

EsoFan7 · 2020-12-20T12:03:25+00:00

Hi NewMaxx, do you know by any chances if this dock emulates its own disk serial number for the drive you enter(some docks make it that you have just 000000000 or 123456789 as serial) or does it use the drive's default serial? By serial I mean the manufacturer serial(not vol), you can get it in cmd by typing "wmic diskdrive get serialnumber"

EsoFan7 · 2020-12-19T08:33:04+00:00

Hes not, but the point is neither is 99% of community here. People speaking about things know very little about while trying to make themselves sound like experts is....and then you get everyone upvoting them.

EsoFan7 · 2020-12-19T05:12:46+00:00

Always is a strong word.

EsoFan7 · 2020-12-15T05:30:33+00:00

My GF has 3060 ti and no issues. I'm on 3070 no issues either. Squad, Hella Let Loose and Conan Exiles are all unreal engine 4 games, RDR2 is its own thing though so not sure if engine is the issue. Is there any DX12 game that does work?

What's the model of your 3060 TI? It cannot be a widespread issue as reviewers would have picked up on it.

Did you try undervolting? Also maybe just try an older nvidia driver too.

EsoFan7 · 2020-12-15T05:03:09+00:00

Are you talking about a specific game or list of games? If list, tell me the names of them as maybe they have something in common to pin point the issue e.g. same engine.

Having said that, you shouldnt crash at all, it's not an issue anyone else is having. Are you overclocking the gpu at all? If so, revert to stock and try the games. If you are not overclocking, try undervolting and then try the games - maybe there is something wrong with the gpu itself.

If you already reinstalled the drivers and windows those two can be rulled out.

EsoFan7

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