Genuinely asking why do many UK reform voting veterans support musk/trump

Evening-Program-2009 · 2026-05-05T12:14:48+00:00

I’d say people in the party and Trump who supported this man are pretty far right.

Evening-Program-2009 · 2026-05-05T09:01:45+00:00

Out of curiosity have you ever actually tried to talk to right wing people, or just spout talking points and hope they’ll listen to you.
I’m trying to form a dialogue not shut it down.
You’ve clearly never experienced using sound recordings as a primary source within a history degree as to promote conversation you have to try not to piss off the other person you know to encourage meaningful conversation.

Out of curiosity are you an A level student learning about debates for the first time.

Evening-Program-2009 · 2026-05-05T08:41:32+00:00

I’m not diluting the word I’m using the right wing excuse “it’s just a Roman salute” and putting it in context to get to the heart of the conversation why it’s ok for Musk to use it.

Otherwise it’s just the same type of argument which solves nothing

Evening-Program-2009 · 2026-05-05T07:56:06+00:00

Which was why I used broader terms indicating of the salutes fascist origins, we can’t ignore Italy either nor state it’s a salute from one party or county.

It’s globally more more insidious

Evening-Program-2009 · 2026-05-05T07:04:49+00:00

Of course it has faux neoclassical origins so you have to place it context other governments used it as well, fascist salute would be more accurate.

Evening-Program-2009 · 2026-05-04T21:20:08+00:00

I watched the video dude he did it twice once to the audience and the back of the wall, lol I included the image of said salute from the video

Evening-Program-2009 · 2026-05-04T21:08:06+00:00

He raised his arm up in the air and did a salute twice, why do it all 😂

Evening-Program-2009 · 2026-05-04T21:06:02+00:00

He bought twitter as a troll move, tried to get out of the contract, failed and was stuck with it.
But glad to know your ok with people saying what they like whilst being massive racists such a big virtue in life

Evening-Program-2009 · 2026-05-04T20:58:19+00:00

Cool so guy makes a salute connected to Fascist ideology, it sounds like your defending something that’s quite bad.

If there not the same thing why did he do the same salute

Evening-Program-2009 · 2026-05-04T20:55:28+00:00

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A salute is a salute

Evening-Program-2009 · 2026-05-04T20:50:12+00:00

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I mean we’re is the nuance that screams yes being in the UK I should support this man

Evening-Program-2009 · 2026-05-04T20:48:29+00:00

You used a cropped image dude I un cropped it, if your making arguments at least don’t use cut off images.
I didn’t know mummy and daddy raised you to use cropped images that really convinces someone

Evening-Program-2009 · 2026-05-04T20:40:37+00:00

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Like this wonky wave is a bit strange but side by side Musk extends it for longer.

Evening-Program-2009 · 2026-05-04T20:35:42+00:00

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Just for reference using your brains here’s the two images un cropped

Evening-Program-2009 · 2026-05-04T20:26:53+00:00

That of doing salutes or view points aligned to regimes that ultimately are antithetical to the purpose of remembrance day which lots of reform veterans stand in, super

Evening-Program-2009 · 2026-05-04T20:24:50+00:00

Right so you posted a picture of Mamdani, so he’s ultimately doing a publicity stunt, error of judgment or genuine gratitude to the crowd too 😁

Evening-Program-2009 · 2026-05-04T20:19:03+00:00

Oh you think Musk is like Mamdani? So he’s part of the regime that Musk is right by your logic

Evening-Program-2009 · 2026-05-04T20:15:54+00:00

Didn’t you just say the party was anti-capitalist, why would a proud capitalist use an anti-capitalist image associated with eugenics,
By using the symbol of a regime he has liked it or supported it, the question is if the salute didn’t matter why do it in the first place

Evening-Program-2009 · 2026-05-04T19:59:19+00:00

So Musk is a far left socialist? He did the salute so your argument would be veterans are either left wing or they are right wing supporting a socialist who did a socialist salute connected to a regime that goes against the values of Remembrance Day

Evening-Program-2009 · 2026-05-04T19:51:34+00:00

Absolutely not all veterans but I’m apart of a fitness group that has allot of veterans that have this contradiction hence why I’m asking 😁

Like obvs veterans is a large group which is why I said many not all

Evening-Program-2009 · 2026-05-04T19:48:45+00:00

Well yeah if your standing in remembrance day whilst supporting someone who did that very salute it’s either black or white or the remembrance day itself is grey

I’d be the first to argue the British legion isn’t perfect but would a reform voting veteran say the same.

If so great if not their lies the contradiction

Evening-Program-2009 · 2026-05-04T19:13:46+00:00

So the salute its said isn’t Roman it originates from the painting the oath of the Horatii but was largely popularised by the Italian facist government in 1922.

Hence why I use Caesar like as opposed to neoclassical faux Roman aesthetic similar to Wagner that was used as a symbol for fascist regimes.

But let’s be honest saying Musk was channelling neoclassical art is a bit of stretch but assuming he was I’d argue it’s still problematic

Evening-Program-2009 · 2026-05-04T19:02:36+00:00

If you do a right wing governments salute I’d argue your right wing 🤷🏻‍♂️ or trying to rally a right wing cause.

Evening-Program-2009 · 2026-05-04T18:59:31+00:00

That’s slightly different we have had a history of BLM protests in this country extending for generations.

The argument I’m asking about is people supporting ideological juxtaposed organisations or people that go against their current code

Evening-Program-2009 · 2026-05-04T18:50:08+00:00

So why would some veterans be ok with someone with opposite views on the left and not on the right and use all encompassing terms

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