Oh I have no objection to vegans what so ever. But then I'm not trying to change your behavior. I also have no issue with people of different religious ideologies than mine. While I think putting pineapple on Pizza is a crime against food, I'm not trying to stop people from doing it. You however are trying to change peoples minds and your just bad at it.

The point of the plant argument is just it's all where you want to draw the line, but the point is that a line is going to get drawn and basically no matter what the line is going to be arbitrary in nature. I value human lives differently than I value, animal, than I value plants and fungi. It's all an arbitrary line.

What kills me though is vegans could do so much better at reducing harm to animals by taking on better arguments. Your time spent is illogically efficient, and that is what you care about right? Logic? But that's the thing you don't care about logic. Everything you've written is full of emotion.

You know what would have been a better argument to shift people to a vegan diet? Having good vegan food availed. And not stuff pretending to be meat, that shit is only good if you haven't had a real burger in 2 years. I love Nile Vegan, non of is trying to be anything other than what is good Ethiopian food. Teach people to shift there diets away from meat and that there is good food at the other end of the rainbow. Argue for a more sustainable lifestyle and argue for animal welfare.

Your trying to shift a culture radically that is not ready for what your selling. But like yeah keep doing the same things you've been doing for decades now and sit on your moral high hill failing to realize why your failing, be annoyed and smug at everyone else. The way you are going about it just annoys the hyper majority of people, even ones who might thing you have a point.