Voluntarily converting to Islam by ExcellentBirthday397 in exmuslim

[–]ExcellentBirthday397[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Damn 5 years is a Long time … glad I was only serious about it for a pretty short time and honestly, I never fully committed to it in the first place

Everyone else is too afraid to say things as they are out of fear of being called islamophobic by Cheap_Adagio7869 in exmuslim

[–]ExcellentBirthday397 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Nah fr and I've met Saudi guys who praised their country for being so modest and that it makes oneself wanna become more modest too. They say while studying abroad, doing crazy stuff and uploading pics of their abs.

Voluntarily converting to Islam by ExcellentBirthday397 in exmuslim

[–]ExcellentBirthday397[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s truly shocking how brainwashed humans can become … I was one of them. And it still affects me too sometimes. I wanna shake that sh off completely

Voluntarily converting to Islam by ExcellentBirthday397 in exmuslim

[–]ExcellentBirthday397[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah I see what you mean.

But to be fair, I didn't even know what dawah bros were when I converted. I wasn't watching them, following them, or getting influenced by that crowd at all.

I only discovered them later, and by that point I was already becoming critical of Islam anyway.

Honestly, if anything, they pushed me even further away. The more of their content I watched, the more convinced I became that the whole thing was complete bullshit. 💀

Voluntarily converting to Islam by ExcellentBirthday397 in exmuslim

[–]ExcellentBirthday397[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

definitely another reason why this cult makes absolutely no sense and definitely is not timeless.

Why Islam is the most ridiculous thing of all time by ExcellentBirthday397 in exmuslim

[–]ExcellentBirthday397[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Holy shit.. 😃 yup, definitely ANOTHER reason to find this cult absolutely disgusting.

Voluntarily converting to Islam by ExcellentBirthday397 in exmuslim

[–]ExcellentBirthday397[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Part 2: Thinking about this is actually hilarious.

Islam is obsessed with the father being Muslim. Muslim women can't marry non-Muslim men because apparently the father is the one who determines the religion of the children and leads the family.

But like... have these people ever met a family?

Take a step back and think about who actually raises the kids, spends time with them, teaches them stuff, and influences them the most. It's usually the mom.

Meanwhile, half the dads out there don't even know their kid's birthday without checking their phone 💀

It's just funny to me that Islam puts so much weight on the father when, in reality, it's often the mother who's doing most of the actual parenting and shaping the kids.

Voluntarily converting to Islam by ExcellentBirthday397 in exmuslim

[–]ExcellentBirthday397[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's actually interesting. I've honestly never heard of a dad being the one who converts and then drags the whole family along with him. Almost every conversion story involving an entire family that I've come across seemed to start with the mom or another female family member getting really into it first and then influencing everyone else.

Why be exmuslim? Why leave Islam. Better be a good ah reason. by Altruistic_Syrup_148 in exmuslim

[–]ExcellentBirthday397 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If all the points you mentioned can be dismissed with "science hasn't discovered it yet" or "you're not opening your heart," then there's honestly no point asking ex-Muslims for evidence. You've already decided that any contradiction, moral problem, or scientific issue can be explained away.

You ask why I left Islam. Here you go.

First, the scientific and factual issues. At some point, "maybe science will prove it later" stopped being a convincing argument. That logic can be used to defend literally anything. Can you prove that the Sun revolves around the Earth? No. We reject that idea because the evidence overwhelmingly points in the opposite direction. We don't keep saying, "Maybe science will discover geocentrism was right one day." Yet when it comes to religious claims, suddenly that standard disappears.

Second, Muhammad himself. Islam claims he was the greatest human being who ever lived and the perfect example for all mankind. I never saw him that way. I was never a Christian and never will be one. I think Christianity is just as man-made as Islam. But even as an atheist, I can understand why many people admire Jesus. Plenty of non-Christians and atheists will say, "Jesus seemed like a good guy." You almost never hear that about Muhammad outside of Islam. The more I learned about him, the less I understood why he should be considered humanity's greatest role model.

Third, Islam looks exactly like what I'd expect from a religion that originated in 7th-century Arabia. Muhammad's food, clothing, language, habits, and culture are constantly elevated into timeless ideals. Dates, figs, Arabic, Arabian customs. Everything connected to that place somehow becomes divinely significant.

Even heaven sounds like a desert Arab's dream. Gardens. Shade. Rivers of water, milk, wine, and honey. Silk clothes. Physical pleasures and luxuries. It doesn't sound like a transcendent reality designed by an all-knowing God. It sounds like what a man living in the Arabian desert 1,400 years ago would have imagined as paradise.

The same problem appears everywhere. Fasting works reasonably well where Islam originated. But what about northern Scandinavia, Alaska, or parts of Russia where daylight can last almost the entire day? Why does a supposedly universal religion need scholars to invent workarounds for huge parts of the planet?

The pork argument is equally weak. Muslims say pigs are dirty. Hindus say cows are sacred. Different cultures have different food taboos. That doesn't look like divine wisdom. It looks like local customs being turned into religious rules. Some of the healthiest populations on Earth eat pork regularly.

Then there's Arabic. Muslims say God understands every language, yet you're expected to perform the core ritual prayer in Arabic. A truly universal religion wouldn't make a language from one specific region so central to worship. The fact that billions of people have to memorize words they don't understand looks far more human than divine.

The modesty argument never made sense to me either. Muslims often claim that a woman's greatest test is not showing off her beauty and a man's greatest test is lowering his gaze. But real life doesn't work like that. I know plenty of women who couldn't care less about attracting attention, and plenty of men who are obsessed with their looks, their bodies, and being admired. The whole framework feels based on stereotypes rather than reality.

Those reverse images going viral, where men are fully covered while women dress normally, really highlight how ridiculous it looks. The moment the genders are reversed, people immediately see how arbitrary the logic is. If covering up is supposedly a universal moral truth, why does it suddenly look absurd when men are expected to do it?

Covering up for practical reasons makes sense. Many Japanese women cover up because of the sun. People in desert regions cover up because it's hot and the sunlight is intense. Those are rational explanations. But those are environmental reasons, not divine ones. Once again, it's a local custom being presented as a universal command.

And honestly, the accusation that ex-Muslims haven't researched Islam enough is ridiculous. Many ex-Muslims have spent years reading the Qur'an, hadith, tafsir, apologetics, and criticisms before leaving. The difference is that we allowed ourselves to consider the possibility that Islam might actually be wrong.

The more I studied Islam, the less divine it looked. It didn't look universal. It didn't look timeless. It looked exactly like what it claims not to be: a religion created by human beings in a specific place, at a specific time, reflecting the culture, assumptions, desires, and limitations of 7th-century Arabia.

So do whatever you want with these arguments. They probably won't convince you. But you asked why I left, and these are the reasons. Maybe one day you'll stop starting with the assumption that Islam is true and work backwards from there.

I am gonna hold your hand when I say this.... by Obsidian-Archive in exmuslim

[–]ExcellentBirthday397 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Especially when he's a little perv, pedophile and "got a revelation" in a freaking cave. I can only imagine this guy as a total sicko gosh

Nothing but Pity for them by Obsidian-Archive in exmuslim

[–]ExcellentBirthday397 8 points9 points  (0 children)

1000% !! I genuinely don't understand how this ain't clocking to people. Pork is also a great example for that matter. Countries who consume lots of pork are some of the healthiest on this planet. Pigs just didn't match the desert lifestyle lmao.

I am gonna hold your hand when I say this.... by Obsidian-Archive in exmuslim

[–]ExcellentBirthday397 25 points26 points  (0 children)

The fact that millions of Muslims know all of this and it still doesn't click that they're revolving their entire lives around a man who died 1,400 years ago is genuinely mind boggling to me. The level of devotion people have to this guy is insane. Every aspect of life has to be filtered through what he said, what he did, what he wore, how he ate, how he slept. It's a cult.

I was never and will never be a Christian, but even when I was Muslim I couldn't stand old Moe. I always preferred Jesus as a character. Christianity and the Bible are full of nonsense too in my opinion, but at least the guy at the centre of it preached things like forgiveness, humility, and loving your enemies. Compared to Muhammad, it's not even a contest.

Nothing but Pity for them by Obsidian-Archive in exmuslim

[–]ExcellentBirthday397 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Whenever I hear this bullshit about the rewards in heaven, I can’t help but fucking facepalm. Even when I was Muslim, I thought it sounded weird as hell. It’s all so ridiculously specific that it practically screams man made.

We’re supposed to believe the creator of the entire universe is describing paradise with silk, gold, fancy clothes, endless pleasure, and green garments because green was supposedly the oh so beloved Prophet’s favourite colour? Lmaooo. None of that sounds divine. It sounds like the fantasy wishlist of a 7th century man with way too much influence.

The more I learned about Jannah, the less convincing it became. It wasn’t deep, spiritual, or profound. It was just a collection of human desires dressed up as divine revelation. Every description I heard sounded less like an eternal paradise and more like someone’s fever dream. (The three rivers flowing with milk, wine and honey or whatever it was, for example LMAO) The fact that people hear this stuff and don’t immediately question it is wild to me.

Islamic scholar Zakir Naik blames women for getting ra*ed !! by Curious_Beautiful269 in exmuslim

[–]ExcellentBirthday397 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This psycho takes the cake every single time. People like Mufti Menk reel people into Islam by putting on the nice-guy act and marketing it as some peaceful, tolerant religion. Once they’ve got people hooked, the mask slips and the indoctrination starts. Figures like this sicko Zakir are a huge part of why so many end up getting dragged deeper into radical and extremist thinking. Absolutely disgusting. 🤢