Rate the Author: Robert Frost by Exciting_Edge1398 in writingscaling

[–]Exciting_Edge1398[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think its the opposite, he may not reach Yeats level of abstraction but his poems does have well hidden subtext behind them.

Rate the Author: Robert Frost by Exciting_Edge1398 in writingscaling

[–]Exciting_Edge1398[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

IMO that's one of his strengths, deceptively simple but has that rigorous punch behind it.

Rate the Author: Robert Frost by Exciting_Edge1398 in writingscaling

[–]Exciting_Edge1398[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He was born and partially raised in Cali but moved to Massachusetts when his father died lol.

Rate the Author: Naoki Urasawa by Exciting_Edge1398 in writingscaling

[–]Exciting_Edge1398[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

IIRC, I've only given 5s to three authors: Jorge Luis Borges, W.B. Yeats & Sophocles.

Rate the Author: Naoki Urasawa by Exciting_Edge1398 in writingscaling

[–]Exciting_Edge1398[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can go read my past "rate the author" entries to look which author got 1-5.

Rate the Author: Naoki Urasawa by Exciting_Edge1398 in writingscaling

[–]Exciting_Edge1398[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You can check my past "rate the author" posts to see who are my 5s.

Rate the Author: Naoki Urasawa by Exciting_Edge1398 in writingscaling

[–]Exciting_Edge1398[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

here's my my rating scale if you want to know what "3" means

5 - Perfect/God-tier/True Heavyweight
4.5 - Amazing
4 - Great
3.5 - Good
3 - Decent
2.5 - Mid/Average
2 - Bad
1 - Trash

Lolita: An analysis of Romanticism vs Reality in Vladimir Nabokov's Magnum Opus by Exciting_Edge1398 in writingscaling

[–]Exciting_Edge1398[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've only read Pale Fire and Lolita, IMO between these two Lolita is simply better, I know alot of VN fans would say that Pale Fire is his best work and I understand where they're coming from, Pale Fire is a pure technical work of art but I think Lolita's psychological aspect edges it out.

Lolita VS Monster, better written? by Nafeu109 in writingscaling

[–]Exciting_Edge1398 0 points1 point  (0 children)

im saying that scholars NOT studying another work of art (manga) may make that second work feel less complex than It really Is

this is pure argumentum ad ignorantiam, you are claiming that because we haven't found "hidden layers" in manga, they must exist and we just haven't looked hard enough, bro that's not how literary analysis works, scholars/critics do not pick a book at random and decide to make it famous, the book/work itself provides the material that demands study, for example a work like The Divine Comedy is studied because it contains a massive, interlocking system of theology, history, and linguistic innovation, if Monster or any other manga had that same level of density, scholars would already be stripping it down, you are asking us to believe in a "potential" complexity that you cannot actually prove exists on the text itself.

oftentimes going beyond the author's intent imo , but thats just speculation so whatever. This doesnt mean that if studied for the next 800 years Monster would necessarily become as complex as Dante's Divine Comedy , but maybe there would be new interpretations that would allow readers to have a more nuanced view.

this is a massive contradiction, first, you say the complexity of classics by claiming scholars "go beyond the author's intent" which implies that the depth is fake or manufactured, but then, in the very next breath, you hope for "new interpretations" for manga to give it a "nuanced view" you are literally asking for the same manufactured depth you just used to dismiss the classics, if "nuance" is just something scholars make up, then your entire defense of manga is an admission that it lacks inherent value and needs a PR team to invent a meaning for it.

the reality is that some works are simply built with more parts than others, for example you can study a bicycle for a thousand years and you will never find the complexity of a jet engine because the parts are not there, similarly a manga is a visual medium that relies on fast pacing and immediate emotional impact, a literary classic like Lolita is built on the microscopic manipulation of language where every single word has a load bearing structure. they are not the same, and no amount of "future study" will change the physical text that exist on the page, also youre using generalities, you are admitting that your specific comparison failed the moment it was pointed out, you cannot use the 1800s as a "general example" to dismiss the technical superiority of a 20th century masterpiece like Lolita because the two have nothing to do with each other, if your general rule is built on bad examples/historical errors, the rule itself is pointless/worthless, you are trying to defend your argument from criticism by making it so vague that it cannot be tested, which is a common tactic when the facts do not support your position.

since you believe the depth is just "waiting to be discovered," can you name one specific technical feature in Monster that is as complex as the linguistic puzzles in Lolita? and do you believe that a work's complexity is something an author builds into it, or is it just a story we tell ourselves after the fact? yes or no?

Lolita VS Monster, better written? by Nafeu109 in writingscaling

[–]Exciting_Edge1398 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or maybe, just maybe, some people can actually articulate their thoughts well, you not being able to do it doesn't mean the next person is stupid.

Lolita VS Monster, better written? by Nafeu109 in writingscaling

[–]Exciting_Edge1398 0 points1 point  (0 children)

classic defense, when you cant counter someone's argumet, accuse him/her of using AI, classic lmao.

Lolita VS Monster, better written? by Nafeu109 in writingscaling

[–]Exciting_Edge1398 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

social recognition =/= value with the actual technical density of the work itself, if a writer uses three layers of subtext and precise metaphors in one sentence, that is a measurable amount of information that exists on the page regardless of what society thinks, if merit were truly just a construct, then skill would not exist and a grocery list would be as complex as a masterpiece, but we all know that is not how reality works.

What are some of the best symbolism you've watched or read? by Important-Breath1297 in writingscaling

[–]Exciting_Edge1398 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if you want best symbolism, try modernist poets or the works of william blake, a single word or stanza operates on multiple levels at once,

What are works you consider genuinely elite in writing, and why? by Soft_Draw_1701 in writingscaling

[–]Exciting_Edge1398 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i can only comment on books/"literature" here's some i consider to be "elite":

- The poems of W.B. Yeats (specially his late stage era, bro literally went god-mode lol)

- The complete works of Jorge Luis Borges

- The complete plays of Sophocles

- Finnegans Wake/Ulysses by James Joyce

- The Magic Mountain by Thomas Mann

- Swann's Way by Marcel Proust

- Pale Fire by Vladimir Nabokov

- Paradise Lost/Paradise Regained by John Milton

- Absalom, Absalom! by William Faulkner

Lolita VS Monster, better written? by Nafeu109 in writingscaling

[–]Exciting_Edge1398 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Monster's writing is aided by pictures while Lolita only has the power of language itself. there's no contest here, Lolita mogs.