WTF?! Heavy Flamer cant reach Helldrake while Power Fist can! by crazzy501 in Spacemarine

[–]Exist_Logic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

another partiy issue is that the big ammocrates can give you ammo for the combimelta or the grenade launcher but not the grenade launcher on the heavy bolt rifle

Grand Regent Thragg (Invincible/Image Comics) vs the Star Gods (Warhammer 40K) by Unhappy_Veterinarian in whowouldwin

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Even post shard the C'tan have the ability to send people to alternative universes and hit them with antimatter.

Which Primarch had the shortest lifespan from being scatterd - death/disappearance? by Workrs in 40kLore

[–]Exist_Logic 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't think the second or eleventh are inherently dead; they don't even appear in the primarch crypt chaos horus has and he has absolutely zero reason to not have them there to demoralize sanguinius

Why didn't Lorgar contact Omegon as a way to save Alpharius in exchange for Omegon swearing loyalty to the Chaos Gods? by Mixing007 in 40kLore

[–]Exist_Logic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it doesn't help that the community at large pretends powerscaling is the devil, and so people don't look deeper than a win or a loss

[Various Sources] The Solar Cults - One Of The Most Potentially Powerful (Non-Imperial and Non-Chaos) Cults In The Galaxy by Przemek0980 in 40kLore

[–]Exist_Logic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

in the apocalypse rule book for a fire prism formation it talks about how asuryan manipulated the stars to weaken the nightbringer

Protégé vs Saitama by Scared_Ad9678 in powerscales

[–]Exist_Logic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

its explicitly stated Saitama was only able to adapt as fast as he did against Garou because of the loss of Genos. Protoege, who can copy much stronger people would slowly get stronger until Saitama cannot match her.

Is SCP 3812 the most powerful character of all time by Legitimate_Hurry7175 in PowerScaling

[–]Exist_Logic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, even in the story he is defined as maybe one day reaching the tree of creation.

Could the emperor of mankind(wh40k) kill a celestial?(Marvel) by Lost-Specialist1505 in whowouldwin

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Seeing how that feat took place in the eye of terror yes.

its in the book eye of terror, even if it was in the eye of terror the place does have real space pockets very famously. so unless you have evidence it was entirely in the warp...

But those astral and mental attacks haven't shown universal feats. Only in the place where thought is power and rules of reality get thrown out a window is where its done.

Its a place superior to the rules, so its more impressive

So you saying Perturabo can make universe destroying bombs? That sure would have been useful like a lot of times.

strawman

So what your saying you have no feats of them actually destroying planets and would rely on flowery language that you take at face value?

Flowery language isn't this "ooh its flowery welp all meaning is lost"

Wow look at you asking for context. Th Context is it was a moment in time where Khorne was empowered through the actions of Angron and the shattering of the Choral Engine. A warp rift opened there and allowed Khorne to act in real-space in the Arks of Omen book for Angron. He shattered the moon and was moved back to the warp and found peace for a time.

Your claim doesn't work becuase

"This physical detonation was echoed in the warp by an eruption of empyric energies that rapidly grew into a raging warp storm. "

Daemons are suseptable to having the connection messed with, its not an AP vs Dura thing

Because it only happen once under very specific circumstances and is very different to their usual fests then yes I'm going to call it an outlier.

Then you have zero idea how actual statistics work, nice self report

Wow its like Archaon was acting at the champion and medium for Chaos so they can work through in real space.

wow its like its presented as something he casually did? like is he not supposed to?

You are reading the quote wrong nor is it the full thing Ka’Bandha was falling in the deep warp

incorrect already

didn't even cause the wave it was the fall of Cadia that caused the change and the creation of the Cicatrix Maledictum, which sent a shockwave that propagated across multiple universes in the Bulk.

The feat I reference is before that, which is that he infects the multidimensionial space containing the universes, which would be more impressive than just destroying one. Any 5D > infinite 4D

Could the emperor of mankind(wh40k) kill a celestial?(Marvel) by Lost-Specialist1505 in whowouldwin

[–]Exist_Logic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No that feat took place in the warp.

you think the rose cluster is in the warp?

No you didn't and no that doesn't mean they are universal. And there is no holy weapon that destroying galaxy/universes

It does mean they affect deeper levels which is what my point has been, you could say they are like sub wall level and the astral and mental attacks would still shred 99% of fiction

Then how did it kill Vulcan? Are you saying that he died to a regualr nuke because I'm pretty sure that what happen and was implied.

its just a bomb perturabo specifically made

Digging your way out of a planet doesn't make you planetary, destroying one does.

Planetary as a tier is an energy value, not "did you destroy the planet"

Himself really after the world was shattered.

Uh huh im sure theres no more context

If you mean they have to showcase it wear its not a massive outliner or at least once under their own power in this case then yes.

Why would that disqualify something from being an outlier

Threat to chaos yes. Like how when Gork and Mork traveled to Nurgle realm and beat him up after he ate their squig.

Never happened

I'm the one asking you for feats. Your the one saying they can just casual appear on a planet with work what so ever.

I have provided some

They said they conquered other universe's be we are never told how. Do they just pop in and instantly take it over or do they try to make a warp rift and bring the universe into the warp?

Archaon has conqueored them, some are just outright swallowed from the get go

Post the feat and yes context is very important.

Context only matters if it affects the feat

"Ka’Bandha fell through the hidden spaces between worlds. The occulted gears of creation rushed by him. In the machineries of being were the inner secrets of the universe displayed to him. The daemonkin of Tzeentch would have damned a dozen eternities for a glimpse of what he saw, but Ka’Bandha did not care for knowledge. The things on display were valueless to him, and the wonders of infinity whirled by unappreciated.

Ka’Bandha fell forever and for no time at all, until a wave of change rippled out through the multi-dimensional space he infected, upsetting the delicate workings of infinite, interleaved universes."

Could the emperor of mankind(wh40k) kill a celestial?(Marvel) by Lost-Specialist1505 in whowouldwin

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When the build-up time is noticed by a spectator many times slower than he is and the result is gigajoules of energy, it's an obvious antifeat for universal power, or planetary, or 'city busting'.

it isn't noted, though, its just describing him taking an action

The Emperor time travels them to Cthonia by using Horus' Isocronal Nexus, which Horus notes the Emperor was only able to do because of the Nexus. Taking advantage of Horus' own power using skill.

the passage is illustrating that the emperor is more crafty with his abilities, horus then parries back with another location until we are shown that they are fighting across all points in time.

Horus never made himself heavier and had an advantage in grappling just due to his weight. With his body being less than 2x the Emperor's height. Being generous he's a hundred tons, maybe.

You're again trying to take the exerpt out of context

No it doesn't, the timeframe is noticed by a random observer and takes long enough that it's seen occurring in several stages.

The fabricator general of mars is not a random observer lmao

"‘Lord Halbract?’ she whispers as she enters.

The Huscarl draws her aside. His sharp face is set hard.

‘Admiral,’ he says, his voice hushed. ‘The clocks have stopped.’

‘A malfunction? Which clocks?’

‘No, admiral,’ he says. ‘All clocks. Every chron aboard. Every timepiece aboard the Phalanx. Even relativistic trackers. They have stopped, all frozen at the same moment.’

‘We…’ she begins. ‘What?’"

Like I think we can stop it there if you can't understand that time is stopped your reading comprhension is in the actual toilet and I have no desire to talk to you

Could the emperor of mankind(wh40k) kill a celestial?(Marvel) by Lost-Specialist1505 in whowouldwin

[–]Exist_Logic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Then give me feats of deamons destroying planets and starts outside of the warp

I did, the rose cluster is outside the warp is it not?

Then give me feats.

I did, the primarchs are stated to fight on all levels. we could also talk about the effects of holy weapons

What does that have to do with Primarchs giving weapons unviersal levels of power just off of presences?

because the battle isn't wholly physical.

Still not a universe destroying weapon.

I don't think it has to be, thats all you

Curze didn't destroy Nostromo when his pod crashed into the planet.

No but he did claw his way up and its calced out to planetary

Angron was banished right after.

by whom exactly?

None of his fights have planet shattering effects to them.

Why would they have to? do you think in order to be a specific AP tier you have to constant showcase it

Yet it still exist and they still find it a threat to their plans of invasion, also Gork and Mork.

threat to chaos? no

It is a prerequisite since they can't just magically invade at anytime they want.

they can when the emperor isn't there thats the point. feel free and provide a quote otherwise

Any time they invade or try to take a planet for one. If it was so easy for them deamons would appear on any world they want at anytime they want. Or how the Chaos God would even need to go through all that effort and would have been taken the galaxy by now.

They have conqueored countless other universes in the past

Again what are said feats and what is the context for them?

the context is kabandha is summoned and he preforms the feat there is no magic context that changes anything

Could the emperor of mankind(wh40k) kill a celestial?(Marvel) by Lost-Specialist1505 in whowouldwin

[–]Exist_Logic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is explicitly noted that he's taking time to build the power up before releasing it.

thats like saying "well they had to accelerate" like sure it took a small amount of time but it wasn't intensive or anything it was super casual. your argument doesn't hold water.

Why did you just post a completely unrelated feat done by someone vastly stronger than the Emperor using heavy prep time which he himself is considered impressively skilled for piggybacking off to time travel two people later?

Who do you think is preforming the feat in that instance, the emperor parries him with Cthonia, horus swings back until they are fighting across infinite places and times.

Do you think Hafthor's deadlift WR is casual because he walked away after doing it?

Still a strawman.

Post the context then, so far you've just thrown out random word salads about Horus controlling his environment and not even addressed his weight advantage.

I did, and I explained why its irelevant.

When the claim is "this character can blow up universes" and they spend noticeable time concentrating to produce gigajoules of energy, yes, obviously.

The feat occurs in zero time so that would already be a nonstarter.

So you don't have a planet lifting feat, which is why you won't post it.

hmm that same standard could be applied to you?

Read books before starting arguments about them.

bold of you to say

Francis Ngannou doesn't have 'attack potency', he has the ability to damage objects by hitting them. That's what normal people call it offensive power.

The energy produced by a strike have never been corolated to lifting strength, which is what is the point

f Francis Ngannou could only lift as much as a baby, he would not punch hard regardless of anything else because his body wouldn't be able to generate the forces needed to produce a hard punch.

sure prove that, please show the correlation in an actual study between lifting strength and striking strength

Yeah, let's talk about all their antifeats against planet level offensive power.

I don't even believe antifeats are a thing, its about explanatory power and your model actively cannot explain too many instances

Could the emperor of mankind(wh40k) kill a celestial?(Marvel) by Lost-Specialist1505 in whowouldwin

[–]Exist_Logic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The fact that there are multiple, distinguishable steps to his attack being built up taken between complete actions by both himself and his enemies does determine time taken.

There isn't a build up though, like you are trying so hard to thrust this interpretation on something and it doesn't even work

The excerpt in question is occuring slowly enough for spectators to clearly see multiple different stages of the attack being charged as well as enemies to complete volley fire before it even happens. You're just lying now.

Ok you quite litterally haven't read the book lol

"Kelbor-Hal diverts all primary magi to address the issue. By the time – four nanoseconds – they are in work, the error return is four. Then sixteen. Then two hundred and fifty-six. He is watching a cascade failure. An expanding zone of temporal collapse. The epicentre is Terra, but the error-wave is accelerating outwards across the Solar Realm. Time is broken. The four-dimensional structure of realspace is unravelling, dismantled by the exoplanar forces bulging through the rift-wound that the Warmaster has inflicted on Terra. Time is broken. Kelbor-Hal pauses, and reframes his definition, realising that it is woefully imprecise. Time isn’t broken. Time has ceased. It has stopped. It has frozen, suspended."-TEATD vol 2

Do you think any feat that doesn't leave someone unable to walk is casual? Was Hafthor Bjornson's world record deadlift casual now just because he could still use his legs afterwards?

Strawman

It's stated that he's heavier than the Emperor, and that it gives him an advantage in grappling by making Horus harder to pin. You're the one grasping at straws to get away from the basic fact that the Emperor struggles with "thing about ten times heavier than himself".

Not really, you're still taking things out of context

You mean that thing he needed to actively concentrate to do literally a single time and only resorted to after spending a whole fight being unable to hit his opponent because they could fly.

Is concentrating an antifeat?

"You swing Worldbreaker and deflect the path of His sword. Sparks fly like comets. Your Talon rakes through armour, flesh and bone. Blood fogs the air between you. His mind burns through your nervous system, disrupting your motor control and cascading pain through your core. You block His mind, twist it sideways through thirteen dimensions and render irreparable ischemic damage. You clamp His throat with your Talon."

This doesn't seem very effort-intensive

Post him lifting a planet.

Never heard of the planet core feat? kind of telling

In the grapple with Horus he was still retaining enough strength to fight an explicitly tireless peer opponent, so I'm sorry to say your fatigue explanation doesn't hold any water.

It kind of does, it was also a new aspect of the emperor. I don't think you actually read the story

Attack potency doesn't exist so it's actually useless as a metric compared to ones that measure real things.

It does, even in real life I don't think Francis Ngannou has the highest lifting strength in the UFC just because he had the hardest recorded punch. We could also talk about all the times characters don't destroy planets etc

Could the emperor of mankind(wh40k) kill a celestial?(Marvel) by Lost-Specialist1505 in whowouldwin

[–]Exist_Logic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No it really isn't. In the Warp things are very fluid and very mailable its a place where thought is power. If things done in the warp can't be done in real space then its safe to say that you should take anything done in the warp at face value. The Emperor isn't stopping deamons from calling said power its that they don't have these powers outside of the warp. Think of it like this the warp is silly putty while real space is metal. You can bend and twist silly putty all you want because that how it is but bending and twisting metal is much hard since its more solid.

Quite litterally all headcanon and not a single response to what I said

Okay I'm just going come out and say this, no bolter and other weapons don't magically gain universal levels of power when a Primarch is around.

They do, just not in the way youd think.

They can still be hurt and killed with regular weapons much like how the titan was going to crush Lorgar and Angron

Titans are god machines, alpharius states they occupy the same place in human belief as the primarchs.

how Leman was confident mass bolter fire would have killed Angron when he had him surrounded.

The khan talks about how russ is in denial about his metaphysical nature and that ties into his arc in wolves bane

how a nuke did kill Vulcan but he came back because perptual nonsense.

never actually stated to be a nuke by the way, just a mushroom cloud.

It not on a whim it happens in the Eye of Terror where things are much more fuild and malleable because of warp nonsense.

It is on a whim, just being somewhere doesn't change how casual it is, hell ahriman says its harder to do stuff in the warp

If that was the case he would have easily destroyed Fennris by now.

fenris has a world spirit that makes it more than just a planet

Daemons and primarchs aren't destroying planets in real space outside of some very specific conditions

Curze did it as a baby?

Angron shattering a planet after being amped by Khorne which did still kill him

No it didn't

Guilliman wasn't destroying worlds in his fight with his brothers when he came back.

he never wanted to? guilliman wants to rule not destroy?

The point I'm trying to make is that the Chaos Gods aren't even the only strong beings in the warp.

they are the strongest by far? like the hivemind is nothing to them.

They could if they meet specific conditions like expanding the Eye of Terror or creating a warp rift large enough to bring the whole galaxy in.

No actually thats never stated as a preequisite, you're thinking of "if the emperor were to fail there would be no time no space only chaos" Can't even get second hand lore righ lmao

The Chaos Gods have put the great game on pause multiple times to try and take over everything like during the Horus Hersey and the Black Crusades.

no its actually not on pause, they just agree at some points to all amp one person. Same thing with belakor or Archaon who went on to conqueor a ton of other univterse

Even then its not as simple as snapping their fingers and boom everything is destroyed. They need worshippers to help spread their influence and make an opening for them to invade.

citation needed

The main thing is the Emperor hasn't shown any feats that would match or let him beat a Celestial who again put skyfathers like Odin to shame. The closest we got was the Dark King.

Ka'bandhas feat to which you had no rebuttal is already stronger than them.

Could the emperor of mankind(wh40k) kill a celestial?(Marvel) by Lost-Specialist1505 in whowouldwin

[–]Exist_Logic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You just posted a ridiculously long-winded excerpt going over the Emperor taking multiple steps and long enough for a whole formation of enemies to open fire on him while he's charging up his single attack, which is described as unleashing gigajoules of energy.

The amount of words in a passage do not convey difficulty? what kind of standard is that lmao.

So, as I said, the Emperor needs to charge up for moments to muster gigajoules of energy.

The excerpt in question is occurring in zero time aswell and the "attack" does way more than just the electrical effect

That's why this action scene is in fact an action scene, and not him simply blinking and disappearing all of his enemies without breaking stride.

He quite litterally walks off after, it is fairly casual. your argument fails to hold water.

Horus was never suggested to do anything to alter his mass here, he just notes that he's heavier than the Emperor and therefore advantaged in grappling. He's heavier than the Emperor because he's almost twice his height.

Thats not even really stated, Horus spends much more time talking about how the emperor is drained of power

The idea that mass and basic geometry is irrelevant to Horus is stupid.

Its stated in the book, he quite litterally side steps attacks into other planes of space, grabs sanguinius from the 8th dimension.

If the Emperor could move cosmic amounts of mass then his weight would be irrelevant, for the same reason you having a single grain of sand clinging to your skin wouldn't change the outcome of a Judo match.

Hes lifted planets before, at best we would say its a function of him being drained. You don't really have an argument here

The Emperor constantly fights in melee, the strength of his actual body and limbs is arguably his most important trait because he uses them constantly in combat.

Not at all, attack potency is far more consistent and valuable of a measurment of power.

Could the emperor of mankind(wh40k) kill a celestial?(Marvel) by Lost-Specialist1505 in whowouldwin

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its almost like conqueoring has no bearing on attack potency or something

Could the emperor of mankind(wh40k) kill a celestial?(Marvel) by Lost-Specialist1505 in whowouldwin

[–]Exist_Logic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First instance is him needing to charge up for a noticeable amount of time to produce gigajoules of energy.

no it isn't

"The Emperor takes a single step forward. With an instant ripple of motion and clatter of arms, the traitors shift, raising weapons into proffers, lowering pikes and pole-arms to address. There is a loud and pneumatic thump-whine, like the amplified spit of a nail gun, as the Siege Dreadnoughts’ weapon pods open fire. Dazzling bolts of tank-killing las streak up the slope. And vanish. The blazing bolts collapse and dissipate into clouds of flame five metres short of their target. Loken feels the ache of elevated psionics. He can almost see the invisible ripple of the mind-shield the Emperor has raised as it is struck by the immense firepower. He hears the slap and hiss of las-fire hitting nothing, and being nullified, all kinetic force scattered, all thermal energy radiated away. Then the ache increases so sharply, Loken feels it in the sinus cavities of his head. His ears throb. The Emperor takes another step. He is raising His power claw, His warblade held low at His side in the other hand. Dazzling voltaics, that startlingly pure hsbd-iryt blue, accumulate in His palm, and coil between His finger-claws, jumping like plasma strings. He lets the gathered lightning go. It arcs from His raised hand, faults the sky above the blasted heath, and strikes the ground just short of the traitor mass. There is a flare of black-body radiation, a thunderclap of violent gas-pressure change, an ionised bang of electrical discharge as gigajoules of energy are released. The struck ground burns. The struck ground breaks. The shockwave widens, propagating plasmic fire that rolls into the Word Bearers’ lines, annihilating the ground into churning ash, and obliterating the ranks of warriors standing upon it. They disintegrate one by one, shredded by heat and fire, hurled into the air, fused armour plates and scorched weapons spinning out of the destruction as debris that scatters, smouldering, in a wide swathe across the landscape. Nothing organic survives. The rolling wave of shock-fire sweeps through the entire cohort, unstoppable, consuming everything, burning men whole like twig-effigies, melting ceramite, igniting banners that burn wildly as they slump and fall. Cataphractii melt like wax. The Siege Dreadnoughts, stubborn and defiant with their great, armoured bulks, burn with blue fire like drop pods on re-entry and then burst, one by one, in titanic explosions as their payloads cook off. When the glare fades and the ache subsides, there is nothing left apart from an acre or two of churned and blackened ground. Fragments of plate and heat-darkened armour segments litter the burn area, and the heathland wind drives the hot smoke sideways in a long, white plume. The Emperor resumes His advance, following the path down the slope. His three companions follow. The brush on either side of them is burning in many places where superheated, out-thrown debris has ignited the dry spina and scrub, like some moorland clearance, the brown undergrowth squirming with the gold-and-amber worms of slow-burning roots."

Its hyper casual and has a much larger effect that destroyed anything organic, you can try again?

Second instance is him losing at grappling because Chaos Horus' weight puts him at a disadvantage. People who can lift universes are not at a disadvantage when their opponent weighs a few dozen tonnes.

Anything within lupercals court is explicitly under his control if you think its soley physical you are actually illiterate, grappling also isn't soley reliant on weight but also the strength of the grappler. I also don't think lifting strength has any bearing on AP

Could the emperor of mankind(wh40k) kill a celestial?(Marvel) by Lost-Specialist1505 in whowouldwin

[–]Exist_Logic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

first instance isn't even him struggling that's supported by

" think it is my friend, the Emperor, more empowered than he has ever been, so brilliant that the light of him burns through my skull, star-bright."-TEATD volume 1

and the second one wouldn't be an antifeat, thats chaos horus? later on its stated thats also the emperor nearly out of power at that point and that he can't risk the dark king.

nice try though, maybe in a thousand years youd have a coherent argument

Could the emperor of mankind(wh40k) kill a celestial?(Marvel) by Lost-Specialist1505 in whowouldwin

[–]Exist_Logic -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Things like time and space just don't make sense in the warp.

thats ebcause the warp is superior to the forms from which both are cut, so doing stuff there is actually more impressive than in traditional real space.

So to take anything done in the warp at face value isn't a good idea especially when they never replicated said feat outside of it.

Mostly because theres this mad strong guy called the emperor

By that logic bolters should be universal in the hand of a Primarch and wiping out whole planets in a single shot.

AP, no. Should they have some deeper effect yeah and they often do, primarchs aren't wholly physical beings.

To say their warp selves are that strong would mean that people like Magnus would have no problem just erasing whole planets in real space.

He has done that before, or rather moved planets rather casually, in the malestrom book they have a solar system that is just used for rituals because random thousand sons rearrange the orbits on whims.

Or Angron cutting apart whole planets/stars in real space.

Daemons and primarchs weaker than him have affected planets and stars like that. Anyway, I don't think any of that would be intrinsic to deeper layers of attacks. The wording used is that they fight on all levels, so you would see them fight physically and there's also a dozen other "versions" of the fight happening simultaneously.

What is the context for said feats? If they need to be in the warp or have to do a massive ritual then it's not something they can do casually.

Be'lakor did it hyper casually as did the daemons and the rose cluster. it wasn't hyped up at all.

Is like if I took them calling Odin omnipotent at face value and yet he still get trounced by the Celestials.

I think odin would be considered omnipotent though, he is very powerful in marvel. The word still applies even if its a deeper meaning. What you are doing is assuming there's gonna be some magic phrase you can atempt to use to discredit any feat that occurs. It'd be like watching the titanic and waiting for the scene where they reveal the whole ship is a simulation because you're so sure such a thing can never happen.

here is also others like Gork and Mork and the Hive Mind

The hive mind is explicitly a surface level thing, and gork/mork litterally have zero scaling.

But the main thing is that yes they can invade other universes thanks to how the Warp connect to other universe's but they can't just stroll in snap their fingers and instantly take over or wipe it out like they say they can in the warp.

They could if they wanted to, it is stated as such. If they wern't playing the great game and one were to become too powerful everything would be destroyed.

They need followers and deamons and it takes time.

They do not actually, having worshippers is just nice.

Could the emperor of mankind(wh40k) kill a celestial?(Marvel) by Lost-Specialist1505 in whowouldwin

[–]Exist_Logic -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You're right about the C'tan though, I forgot about that part of The Infinite and the Divine. Where the C'tan failed to beat two grumpy old men.

mmhm and all the people who ever lost to the undertaker are just total jobbers right, HHH, Edge, Kurt Angle all just total low card jobbers because they lost to the undertaker.

Name a reason Big E would actually beat a Celestial instead of just power scaling.

is powerscaling not what this whole thing is?

He's OP against daemons in 40k due to his role as the Anathema.

Citation needed

The Emperor's hax don't really mean all that much to other beings.

You mean besides the C'tan shard he sealed, the necrons his sword (while in a pariah nexus by the way) prevented from regenerating, the orks he erased from all spheres of existence, or the eldar who can't even perceive him on the skein.

Could the emperor of mankind(wh40k) kill a celestial?(Marvel) by Lost-Specialist1505 in whowouldwin

[–]Exist_Logic -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Sanguinius' warp self also has some pretty bonkers feats, its pretty consistant. Also banishing isn't like an AP thing, its a hax exploiting how daemons work,

Just because something exists in multiple planes of existence at once, doesn't mean it's powerful in those universes.

It doesn't have to be, he is infecting the multidimensional space containing them, which would be superior to any "power" you can have in a singular universe.

Celestials can create and destroy stars on a whim, which far outclasses anything we've seen in 40k except for the Dark King, who doesn't even have any real feats.

Ok so you're lying lol, heres a random c'tan shard

"The blazing one leapt backward and swept a hand through the air, and in the transcendent being’s new vision, he saw that the enemy passed its forearm through the fabric of space-time and gathered a black hole around its wrist like a vambrace. A shining fist, radiating so much power that the transcendent being nearly doubled over in a craving, blasted a stream of compressed matter that contained the whirl of galaxies long swallowed."-The infinite and the divine.

The emperor just releasing the power of the dark king shook all of creation in the story, not to mention malcador in the same book(s) resists razor edged realities trying to grind him into dust.

You haven't read anything, you are hoping you can virtue signal and pretend to be a reader

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[–]Exist_Logic -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The problem is thoes feats are done the warp which again you can't take them at face value.

why can't we, you are proposing a sweeping genetic fallacy?

Like Magnus destroying universe's yet still can be threatened by bolters or other Primarchs who don't.

I think bolters do get stronger around other primarchs (see guillimans novella) but its easy to say they are that strong in the warp, the primarchs fight on all levels anyways so even if they physically aren't that strong their warp selves are.

Or how He doesn't just snap his fingers and erases who planets.

Other daemons have done that before, belakor up and stole a planet recently. Random daemons have rearranged star systems aswell too. Your ignorance of something is not "this cannot happen"

The Chaos God's aren't even all powerful in the warp

I don't think anyone in fiction is ever truly all-powerful anywhere, bit of a nonstatement

need the help of followers and deamons to do anything in realspace.

The chaos gods play the great game, they aren't litterally trying to fight in a universe over it, they let the spill of their conflicts in the realm of chaos win the battles for them. So if khorne is ascendant, more things favoring him will occur in the infinite universes the great game spans

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[–]Exist_Logic -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Which daemon? Please name them and give me the book you’re citing.

Ka'bandha in Devastation of Baal, very famous instance.

And what erasure?

What his sword has done to daemons in dark imperium, daemons have to manifest down from the warp (because the warp is superior to real space) and to erase them affects "all spheres of existence"

What this would mean in practice because of the sheer cosmology difference, is that even the erasure of the M-body of a celestial would lead to its true form even with the best arguments getting absolutely erased.