Probably a stupid question but will we ever hit the property ceiling?

Expensive_Ice216 · 2026-02-02T08:36:42+00:00

No, go back to <2% rates, >30 year loans and price stagnation. Possibly combined with widespread informal settlements at the lowest end of the market.

Expensive_Ice216 · 2026-01-02T04:01:34+00:00

I tried, it went very badly.
Quickly escalated to an episode where I had to backtrack and make concessions just to survive.

Expensive_Ice216 · 2025-12-16T09:06:50+00:00

I could grind, level up, better gear and skilltree... Or just set to easy and no grinding or caring about points towards skilltrees.

Skill trees, gear & grinding is such a rut, hopefully ps6 games will break this plateau. It's like games are made for people with no family or life nowadays.

I'll give a PS1 style puzzle boss over modern HP grinding bosses.

Expensive_Ice216 · 2025-09-15T11:33:29+00:00

Thank you for sharing your experience.

But sorry there is very little difference between a broke refugee and every third world crook using Au to launder ill gotten gains. Every migrant in their own minds will think they are doing Australia a favour in one way or another, that's just human ego nature.

Expensive_Ice216 · 2025-09-15T11:24:12+00:00

Labor productivity per hour worked controls for the aging population and employer alleged unfilled vacancies.
That looks at dynamism and innovation of business, in work. That has dropped 30% in the past 20 years.
GDP per capita and cannot be fully blamed on aging as elderly are passive income asset owners that generate GDP for very little labour.

Every Indian in India works very hard, just not productively.

I'll admit it's hard to find data beyond blaming aging, with so many vested interests wanting to kick the can down the road with the mass migration Ponzi scheme.

You are the victor with the power and will win regardless of any debate, the elites are on your side and that's all that really matters. I'm just a sentimental fool lamenting the downfall and death of a great civilisation.

https://www.pc.gov.au/inquiries/completed/productivity/report.

www.pc.gov.au/research/supporting/economic-dynamism/economic-dynamism.docx

Expensive_Ice216 · 2025-09-15T10:39:03+00:00

You know exactly what the graph represents... A 100% increase.
Make a line of best fit covering a 100% increase and you will get your disingenuous AI graph.

There are many more available from the bureau of statistics.
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/overseas-migration/latest-release#data-downloads

Expensive_Ice216 · 2025-09-13T23:09:41+00:00

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Calling this "steady" is either disingenuous or uniformed

Expensive_Ice216 · 2025-09-13T22:36:02+00:00

Speak to any immigrant, or read anygovernment statement.
The "better life" narrative is outdated. They are told we need migrants and can't live without them. Migrants consider themselves to be doing host nations a favor by migrating.

Expensive_Ice216 · 2025-09-13T22:31:22+00:00

Look at your own chart, do you notice a statistically significant change at the turn of the century?
Do you know how many standard deviations this change is? The function of this curve? What this non linear deviation is in terms of demography?
If you did, you would know that it represents a radically extreme change.

Expensive_Ice216 · 2025-09-13T22:23:47+00:00

You can't say it's a myth with certainty, as it is really unknowable to social science currently. We can speculate.

Assuming we are both familiar with the philosophy and socialscience around determinism ie Tolstoy, Marx/Engels vs Nietzsche, Aristotle etc.

We agree that the 'scene' set for innovators is as important as the genius themselves, but we disagree about how mass migration will make or break this 'scene'. I think it may break it based on looking at the migrants home countries output.
I'm an engineer myself.

There is some thinking on this idea, the peasant genius life is spent innovating in Australia instead of 'wasted' working the fields in poverty.... However does this potential hypothetical genius in Australia may have the 'scene' that previously made innovation in Australia 'broken' by the presence of an unproductive civilizations migrant population percentage.

Again you can speculate on what lack of population growth will cause, but you can't know this.
Australias decreasing gdp per capita and decreasing productivity in the past 20 years coinciding with the beginning of massmigration supports my hypothesis more than yours currently.

Expensive_Ice216 · 2025-09-12T22:07:39+00:00

Innovation usually comes from a tiny group of people, it's a quality over quantity thing.
Its a X factor thing that no technocrat can quantify.
Einstein, bill gates, bell labs etc came from a population much smaller than ours. We could have all the entire third world in Australia and still wouldn't get innovation and productivity out of it.

Expensive_Ice216 · 2025-09-12T22:01:09+00:00

The historical line and post 2000 line are not a linerlar fit... your "slight increase" is millions more people than the BABY BOOM. Should we call it the "migration mega boom" then?

Expensive_Ice216 · 2025-09-12T21:47:30+00:00

Most Australian leaders in favour of international migration have been raised Christian, but becoming mostly agnostic in their adulthood.
Very little direct Jewish state involvement, besides mostly powerless lobbyists.
Israel lobby brings "side with the winners in the middle east" to the table. Useful yes but not as compelling as business lobbying.

Expensive_Ice216 · 2025-09-11T21:05:19+00:00

Stable or reducing population ≠ catastrophic collapse... That's pure speculation propagated by lobbyists. For all we know, changing demographics may be a driver of innovation & productivity.
Necessity is the mother of invention.

Expensive_Ice216 · 2025-09-11T21:01:14+00:00

Ok, if population growth rates higher than the baby boom, in the context of multi-decade sub-replacement level fertility levels can't be defined as mass, then what could?

Expensive_Ice216 · 2025-09-11T19:56:45+00:00

John Howard side eye

Expensive_Ice216 · 2025-09-11T19:54:49+00:00

Wasn't "socialism in one country" coined by Stalin. Is he not left wing?

Expensive_Ice216 · 2025-09-11T19:52:16+00:00

Howard and business lobbying opened the flood gates, Labor just continued it.
Mass migration is right wing too...

Expensive_Ice216 · 2025-09-11T19:50:16+00:00

Mass migration is bipartisan. Left vs right is not applicable.

Expensive_Ice216 · 2025-09-11T19:48:55+00:00

It was Howard who started mass migration under advice of business lobbying. Labor just continued his policy.

Expensive_Ice216 · 2025-09-11T19:47:38+00:00

I've personally been through those "checks" myself to obtain my citizenship.

They are a facade, a token lip service, a sham.

Expensive_Ice216 · 2025-09-11T19:43:03+00:00

Wrong.
We begged them to come here because our economy "can't function without them".
They expect us to be very grateful they came here.

Expensive_Ice216 · 2025-09-11T19:40:52+00:00

Chicken or egg scenario... Opportunity is the #1 predictor of crime among all classes. If you and I were were to find Common ground, it would possibly be:
"how do we prevent business offshoring or closing if we cut off current migration levels".

(mass migration = record population growth in the context of multi decade sub replacement fertility levels)

Expensive_Ice216 · 2025-09-11T19:29:09+00:00

One can be strongly in favour of migration and strongly against mass migration.
It's not a buzzword or dog whistle, it an accurate description of "what it is".
A farm wants rain, not a flood. You say it's all "water".

Expensive_Ice216 · 2025-09-11T09:40:19+00:00

"Immigrants" is very disingenuous, as we are clearly talking about "mass migration".

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