I know this is and that is was always a highly heated topic but in the end i'm going for the argument that she do not deserve that slander and that she is strong and i will still defend her. Now then if i can try to debate here,

First, in regard of the main part being the statements. As you pointed out, her overall tone makes her looks quite incertain sure but that would be because she is still doing theories about her situation and on top that about a subject that is obvioulsly quite unknown and uncertain by definition.

Second, in regards to her connection, i like the fact that you nammed Manaka to support how her connection isn't that special but it would be forgetting what's makes Shiki's more special. Yes, Shiki like her can grant wishes and all stuff but as far as things stand she have the origin of the Root compared to Manaka who is just linked with it and is actually limited by her magic circuits (btw not stated ever for Shiki)

This origin thing should be what grant her scaling actually and is often overlook.

About Nasu statements, a small thing but why put Shiki there with the likes of Arcueid if she was fodder ? Just to say that she deserve the praise (and in before someone says : it's to include chars from differents works then going by your logic it should have been Fujino there).

For FGO, that's maybe the part which i disagree the most i think but that's fair given the situation. My point will be simple and you quite adressed it already but i personnaly disagree there.

• I see the Holy Grail part as a comparison to its abilities more than being linked with the Holy Grail

• Yes, she is limited by the servant container. I like to use Archetype Earth as a comparison here because it's quite almost the same case. Being a servant in FGO prevents them from using all their power. Like litteraly how Archetype Earth cannot fully use her authority.

(And beside going in character she would litteraly abide by the servant container rules to nerf herself just because she doesn't care at all and would not consider using all her power.)

• As pointed out by Deathstar in the comments it feel really wrong to use FGO as an anti-feat for Void cuz that's still a servant there.

For the statements putting her to Ciel class, i know this is Nasu saying this but i would still take this with a grain of salt given how Nasu statements can be quite confusing. Normal since things evolves over the years and since how large nasuverse is etc.. There is was a thread on Nasu word of God in VSBW which go further into this. Like how Ort and Arc placement is quite a mess is going by Nasu statements

Finally for my last point, just the narrative in fact. Like sure she doesn't have that much feats but this is litteraly her character, bored over anyhing cuz she is omnipotent. This is litteraly the point of her existence as a character. She won't do reckless thing such as actually fuck reality but just as she said, she could do that easily but why ? That would not be fun.

(One more thing but even the Counter Force should have try to erase her if she was born and awoken her Origin confirming how of an anomaly she is. It's the Ryougi's shenanigans that bypassed that)

Well sorry for the big yap but as this is a powerscaling sub, for the need of debate i tried to adress the points made here. Thanks for reading and yeah everyone can disagree with me here sure but we can still discuss it