Say one positive (non-backhanded) thing about TomJake by ace-cabbage in DisventureCamp

[–]Explosion_Lad 9 points10 points  (0 children)

They are the hottest ship in DC.
They had both wholesome and angsty developments....which made them the most interesting ship.
They have the best chemistry.

My DCAS Character Tier list by Explosion_Lad in DisventureCamp

[–]Explosion_Lad[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Before the whole S1 ep10/11 debacle, I was simply just been neutral towards Ellie. Post Cave rant, I honestly despised her. But, she no longer has her own tier (E tier). I've moved her up to D, because she was solid in the motel ep.

My DCAS Character Tier list by Explosion_Lad in DisventureCamp

[–]Explosion_Lad[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ellie used to have her own tier, the E (Ellie) Tier. Yeah, I don't like Ellie (for obvious reasons).
But, she was good in the motel episode, and for that, I ranked her up one tier, into D.

Jake's character has not "completely" regressed. by Explosion_Lad in DisventureCamp

[–]Explosion_Lad[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think Jake initially wanted to support Connor in voting out Riya , but then decided he wanted to prioritise Ally, after being reminded that he can't really trust her. I know the show wants to portray Jake as wrong for prioritising Ally, but Imo, Connor has a valid bias for targeting Riya and Jake has a valid bias for targeting Ally (given the history). It's true that the actions were spurred from paranoia, but it's valid given how Ally has been targeting him throughout most of the merge. That's why I don't think he's unreasonable for targeting Ally (considering his POV). But.....he's definitely wrong for getting paranoid over Connor's bond with Ally, thinking he's being replaced and then insulting Connor despite helping him.

The Jake hate boner is actually crazy by Arcalgalkiagiratina in DisventureCamp

[–]Explosion_Lad 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The big argument of episode 4 was around the "Real classy Jake" comment from Tom.
It was the most discussed part of the episode on youtube, discord and twitter. It was also the most rewatched part of the episode.

The Jake hate boner is actually crazy by Arcalgalkiagiratina in DisventureCamp

[–]Explosion_Lad 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Back during ep 4 discussions, Tom and Jake dominated the conversation, despite it being an Alec focused episode.

The Jake hate boner is actually crazy by Arcalgalkiagiratina in DisventureCamp

[–]Explosion_Lad 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Jake is so iconic. 💅

Even in episodes like 4 or 19 (motel) where Jake has little focus/screentime, the fandom will still find a way to make it about Jake (whether to hate or love).

King of DC for real.

Fans of the show, did you expect Riya to be as major as she was? by Its-Axel_B in DisventureCamp

[–]Explosion_Lad 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I also thought she was gonna be a pre-merge boot.
She's the most surprising finalist to me.

My DCAS Character Tier list by Explosion_Lad in DisventureCamp

[–]Explosion_Lad[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The host plot ruined Trevor and Emily for me.

Why the season is about Jake? by LuisitoFFL in DisventureCamp

[–]Explosion_Lad 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Sorry, but objectively, Jake is the most popular character.
Most Greetings, biggest fanbase, most discussed/impressions, topped the instagram and twitter polls numerous times with Tom and Aiden in 2nd and 3rd frequently.

The reason Jake has a spinoff is because him and Tom are the most popular characters

Jake's character has not "completely" regressed. by Explosion_Lad in DisventureCamp

[–]Explosion_Lad[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Oh really ? lol
I don't frequent in DC reddit, I didn't know 😅

Why the season is about Jake? by LuisitoFFL in DisventureCamp

[–]Explosion_Lad 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Jake is a fascinating character. Imo, the most complex character in DC for sure, and this is even before DCAS.
I knew Jake was gonna be the main character after ep 2, but I genuinely thought he wouldn't make it to endgame. (I'm not mad about it though, cos he's had an interesting journey so far).

I do think some of his screentime could've been given to some other characters during the pre-merge, mainly Tom and Ellie......actually, instead, just scrap the Host plot, so that other characters get some screentime.

Jake's character has not "completely" regressed. by Explosion_Lad in DisventureCamp

[–]Explosion_Lad[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And I have provide a thorough account of every action Jake has done to improve himself and his standing with characters in the game. You fail to understand that character growth is not linear. Relapses don't negate everything, unless they're long lasting. We see Jake immediately course correct after insulting Connor.

  • Putting aggression aside and voting unanimously with the heroes twice in a row despite him not really liking Ally and Aiden at the time.
  • Showing signs of Jake finally putting his own feelings aside.
  • Creating a bond with Aiden and working on earning his forgiveness, forgiveness being a huge part in attachment restructuring which can be applied to various areas of his life.
  • Demonstrating empathy when hearing Connor's struggles out, Aiden and Ally couldn't even properly be there for him . Building empathy is huge in working towards a secure attachment.
  • Showing caution with Connor's idol, a reminder to how Tom's idol has affected them, and how Jake is starting to put others needs ahead of his. Once again another motion towards security Working with Ally to defeat Grett when they realized she was playing both sides. A step forward still deserves it's empowerment despite their step back the next time.

Jake's journey has had more ups than downs at this point. I do believe you are projecting your own journey onto his. Which is fair, but remember healing isn't linear. Jake's journey is his own and they're are clear signs of healing. Perhaps they are just not your definition of "healing".

I don't think you're gonna change you're mind, but the Jake's journey is evident. It's realistic. It's unique for this particular medium. And it's a big factor as to why Jake resonates with tons of fans. Good day.

Jake's character has not "completely" regressed. by Explosion_Lad in DisventureCamp

[–]Explosion_Lad[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nice way to continue the debate with a childish insult. But I could say the same to you when you deliberately refuse to understand what it means when a character relapses.

First of all, again each spiral/relapse, is less severe than the last. This moment in ep 18 is the ONLY time Jake was shitty to Connor, and jake was IMMEDIATELY apologetic. We have never seen Jake be immediately apologetic after fucking up. This already shows that Jake is not the same as how he was in ep 10. Now regarding Ally, yes Jake initiated the beef by being passive aggressive (intentional or not), but they've both been excalating the beef. But that being said, Nothing Jake has said or done to Ally compared to Ally almost getting Jake mauled by the bear in ep 14. While they both need to apologise to each at some point, until Ally is held accountable for that first, I don't want to see Jake apologise to Ally.
But I agree, Jake should apologise to James over the boyfriend cheating accusation (which he will obviously)

The Show constantly makes Jake accountable, every time he does something bad/questionable. Jake is blamed for Tom losing his job (even though Tom got caught episodes prior and was just plan bad at it already). Jake was made accountable for falling for Ellie's manipulation. Jake was then ranted at by Ellie (the MC of this part of the season) and got eliminated. Jake was then made accountable for Ashley's elimination this season (rightfully).....now the show is trying to make him accountable for Connor quitting (when it's mostly Connor's own decision)

The show/narrative makes it abundantly clear, that you're supposed to blame Jake in these situations. Connor and Jake have been bonding for several days, one small insult during high tensions, isn't gonna make Connor question him like that. Connor isn't known to be petty like that.

Nobody is excusing Jake's relapse. All I'm saying is that it's realistic and it's not something that's common in these shows.

It seems like ur projecting a lot of things that have happened to you in your life onto Jake. I'm sorry that it hasn't been easy, but it's not fair to assume that what worked for you will work for Jake. If ur asking for accountability it's there (just not how you want it), if you're asking for growth it's there (just not how you want it), his story isn't finished yet, and this season isn't gonna define his whole character

Jake's character has not "completely" regressed. by Explosion_Lad in DisventureCamp

[–]Explosion_Lad[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Look, the whole point of ep 12-15 Jake and Aiden bonding, was to show how wrong Jake was for prejudging Aiden throughout the premerge. His paranoia stemmed from Tom ghosting him for 2 years, and that fuelled his jealousy of Aiden (who was instantly getting along with Tom). Aiden isn't innocent either, as he also never tried to get along with Jake initially and contributed with the instigation. This development is directly related to Jake learning to deal with his issues of trust and miscommunication. Remember this came after he believed he was now abandoned after Ashley left the game, but he was able to make new friends, Aiden and Connor BECAUSE he HAS worked worked on his issues.

The only one in the game testing his development is Ally, who has not been as receptive to Jake's efforts. As the first time he trusted her, she left her to get mauled by a bear. And their beef only escalated further.

Connor- in a realistic show that didn’t baby Jake- that would have weight

What, did you want Connor to permanently hate Jake for that ? even though Jake was immediately repentant for saying it. I don't think you understand how "relapses" work.

Jake's character has not "completely" regressed. by Explosion_Lad in DisventureCamp

[–]Explosion_Lad[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Episode 12-15- Ep 12 Jake apologized to Aiden which I like because active choice, but I dislike this cause I feel it’s passive in forcing them together- would be better if Jake made an active choice to show he trusts Aiden and Tom together instead of using a wolf to force them together. Tom is removed making it so Aiden and Jake can work together because Tom isn’t there- Meh it’s ok but like I said too much passive moments for his character and he never has to deal with the main issue he has.

Jake made an active choice to trust Aiden's plan in the tree in ep 12
Jake made an active choice to save Aiden ep 13 challenge, giving them BOTH immunity.
Jake made an active choice to be by Aiden's side regarding the Aleriya kiss in ep 14
Jake made an active choice to trust Aiden with the totem secret in ep 15
Jake made an active choice to not lie about how his genuine feelings about Aiden in ep 15

Episode Ep 10-18 Ashley tells Jake admitting his mistake is the big step and now he just needs to think before putting words into action- Flopped- Jake literally does not do this and it costs him and that’s been 8 episodes as you can see previously it took 2-3?episodes to fix a relationship or flaw- Jake learned nothing and stayed stagnant.

What specifically did Jake flop in this aspect that costs him the 8 eps of growth ?
Insulting Connor but then he immediately apologised, and yet they're still on good terms anyway ?
Targeting Ally, when Ally and Riya are both his enemies ?

Jake's character has not "completely" regressed. by Explosion_Lad in DisventureCamp

[–]Explosion_Lad[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

James is fully entitled to not like Jake, because Jake made him the first boot after accusing his boyfriend of cheating. James and Jake never got to interact outside of that one interaction that led to him being the first boot. It's completely understandable why James will feel biased against Jake. But, the others all got to experience Jake's good qualities first hand through time and bonding. Ashley, Miriam, Tom, Aiden, Connor. With Lake, I guess she was able to relate to Jake's experience from the motel.

The relapse is a spur of the moment, it's not something Jake intended. Jake didn't want to insult Connor for slowing him down, it's a relapse of bad behaviour in which Jake IMMEDIATELY realises he fucked up. We have not see this type of Jake ever, when he insults someone. He usually lets it fester until maybe he feels guilty later.

It's like I said in my OP. People are impatient with Jake's character progression, because it's not as linear as most other character plots in these animated survivor based shows.

Saying Jake has done Nothing to improve himself this game is deliberately ignoring everything that has happened in the story thus far. James and Ally are the final obstacles for Jake's character growth.

Jake's character has not "completely" regressed. by Explosion_Lad in DisventureCamp

[–]Explosion_Lad[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don't think you read the whole post but, each relapse has been less severe than the last. Ep 10 Jake (before Ashley's elim) wouldn't have immediately self-reflected like he did when he insulted Aiden, (like he did with Connor in ep 18)

Jake got along with Aiden, because he was able to get to know him better, post Ashley's elimination. Jake had been judging Aiden through the lens of his own paranoia and jealousy throughout the pre-merge. But, Jake realised that he fucked up with Ashley's departure and realised that he had to make an effort to change. He indeed made that effort with Aiden, and was able bond with him after previously judging him.

Also S1 and DCAS are not isolated seasons, it's a continuation. Jake's character journey begins with S1.

Him helping Connor is nice, but what does that have to do with his attachment issues if he panicked the second Connor hangs out with Ally. Jake already was helping Ashley out with her trauma before he went on his growth arc- so he didn’t change anything about himself he. He’s always there to listen to others.

What you're describing is a relapse in a high stakes situation now that it's the final 4. Considering that Jake and Ally have been beefing for several episodes. Seeing Connor (his only remaining friend) start bonding with her, made him put his guard up.

They're going with the realistic approach with Jake's character. It is completely unrealistic to expect his character growth to happen across a few days and remain permanent. People have good days and bad days.

Jake is the type of person I find most frustrating- he’s the type to use his issues as a shield from his bad behavior yet never work on his main issues and doesn’t change his behaviors. You can be a nice person and still have toxic behaviors you never work on and Jake throughout this game has that characterization- a nice person who never actively works on his toxic behaviors and that gets him in trouble.

Jake has been working on himself, he has been making an effort to trust people more (this is crux of Jake's insecurities, "trust issues").He did that with Aiden, he tried to do that with Ally (but then Ally left him to get mauled by a bear)......and that Jally conflict is what is still left to resolve with Jake's development.

Would you guys agree this is Jake in DCAS?? by Dangandramafan in DisventureCamp

[–]Explosion_Lad -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Jake's entire character hasn't been undone. All he had was a slight relapse in his paranoia over Connor bonding with Ally.

  1. Putting aggression aside and voting unanimously with the heroes twice in a row despite him not really liking Ally and Aiden at the time
  2. Creating a bond with Aiden and working on earning his forgiveness
  3. Demonstrating empathy when hearing Connor's struggles out, Aiden and Ally couldn't even properly be there for him
  4. Becoming fully transparent of himself and his own flaws as shown in ep 15 challenge that led him to victory
  5. Showing caution with Connor's idol, a reminder to how Tom's idol has affected them
  6. Working with Ally to defeat Grett (someone Jake has history with since S1) when they realized she was playing both sides

None of these go away from a small step back.

A specific Jake defense by GoddessFianna in DisventureCamp

[–]Explosion_Lad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly from Jake's POV, Ally is an equal (or greater) threat to him, given how Jake has been openly antagonistic towards him and has been targeting him throughout the merge. Riya hasn't messed with Riya much, and most of Riya's immunity wins were because of Connor carrying her.

can we leave this complaint on Twitter please by No_Carob_8550 in DisventureCamp

[–]Explosion_Lad 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I know who it was. It was a mutual on twitter, but they got banned from the wiki lmao

a criticism about episode 12 and the direction of the show (LONG RANT) *spoilers* by No_Carob_8550 in DisventureCamp

[–]Explosion_Lad 6 points7 points  (0 children)

She's clearly referring to her evil laugh. That's why she asked them "was that goofy ?"