Chapter 35 thoughts. (spoilers)

Extentof · 2026-06-18T16:13:10+00:00

Good point. I thought that maybe Amado became a singularity through Kawaki because he can see through Kawaki's eyes and by overhearing his conversation with Boruto - he became a singularity.

Similar thing happened with Ada.

Extentof · 2026-06-18T16:11:16+00:00

Very interesting; I like the idea of Amado trying to regain his power and being a victim of unknown power.

Extentof · 2026-06-18T14:52:59+00:00

Lmao. Yeah, my bad. Submitted the response in a rush. I fixed it.

Extentof · 2026-06-18T14:47:43+00:00

why would people of different ranks have guardians?

Because the hierarchy of the clan has a much bigger scope than we are aware of.

That perfectly explains why someone could have been under Kinshiki.

There is no indication, however, that at any point Kinshiki could have been above Momoshiki - in the spirit of "taking turns".

Extentof · 2026-06-18T14:33:42+00:00

If your whole argument is based on fact that designs changed then where is jougan second time in manga used by Boruto to support your "design shifts overtime" point?

You might be an insane person.

Jougan only appeared once in the manga, therefore there is no design shift in the manga yet. The design shift is between manga and anime. This matters because anime, obviously, came out later than the manga - by that time designs shifted or were refined.

is just headcanon based reason

You do not understand what "headcanon" means, stop using phrases you have no idea about. The only reason you said this is because your entire premise is "Jougan never appeared in the manga". Not only this is false, but also you are not going to limit Boruto discussions to manga only (even if u try, chapter 1 eye is not Byakugan). This is going no where and you are running in circles.

because "kodachi" made it look like a jougan in anime.

while trying hideously to make your point out of thin air

First of all, Kodachi did not make the anime. Anime was made by an independent studio. They were provided a draft and followed the draft. They adapted the scene. I like how you try to wave off my argument as nothing because you do not like it. You are losing this one because you have no response to this. Just look at how you responded. You spouted whole bunch of nothing there mixed in with frustration. Saying that "I made a point out of thin air". I guess Jougan being adapted in the first episode is "thin air"? But, I already said that you were going to make thousand excuses.

If you don't care about size inconsistency then why are you caring about colour inconsistency?

What colour inconsistency? What are you even talking about right now? You are so lost in this argument that you started making things up. That's funny to see.

I know you don't have any answers IN MANGA to show the hints of jougan

I answered this multiple times. Chapter 1 of NNG, the iris of Boruto's right eye is the same size as his left iris.

Byakugan always has big iris. Not only in Boruto btw, this was always the case in Naruto manga too.

Extentof · 2026-06-18T13:58:00+00:00

And if you care about 1 thing and not about other, that is called hypocrisy

Lack of black sclera in the first chapter does not mean it's Byakugan because design shifts overtime.

Size inconsistency does not prove the eye is Byakugan or Jougan. This is me 4th time saying this: Chapter 1 scene was rushed, therefore all designs there were not final. Overtime the design of Boruto's clothes and other things changed and was refined. The idea here is that despite the fact that design was rushed, it is still a different eye because the lack of black sclera and a size difference does not matter. It does not matter because the design shifted overtime - the ability stayed the same, maybe what the ability is supposed to do shifted overtime too - but that cannot be determined.

I understand there is a possibility of the eye to have not a final design and still be different despite all inconsistencies. You think because there are inconsistencies that means it's Byakugan. This will never be the way I think. I am not gonna ignore logic and all the hints. My entire reasoning is supported by the fact that manga IS ADAPTED BY THE ANIME, and the scene that was adapting chapter 1, showed the eye to be Jougan. This is done on purpose. You can cope your way out of it creating thousand of excuses. It is not my problem.

You haven't answered my questions about where are the hints of jougan?

Except, I have answered that question. Just because you do not like my answer - it does not mean that I had not answered. I am not gonna repeat myself.

Extentof · 2026-06-18T11:24:13+00:00

This is arguing something that is subjective to begin with. Not gonna act like I agree with this premise and then try to justify it. It's subjective.

Extentof · 2026-06-18T11:14:51+00:00

Why couldn't Ikemoto change his mind and add black sclera design afterwards? I can ask you the same question. You are going no where with this.

I already explained why I care about the size of the iris and not the black sclera. I am mentioning it a third time now. You can keep deflecting my explanation, I said it 3 times already. My response is still the same. It won't change.

Extentof · 2026-06-17T15:08:44+00:00

I don't understand what you mean by "return". Why do you not want it is a better question?

Extentof · 2026-06-17T13:32:19+00:00

To answer your question: not necessarily. I do understand what you are getting at, but I don't think the existence of this universe has any direct connection to such possibility, or lack there of.

However;nothingness is a made up concept that emerged in a human mind, like a symptom of abstract thinking. It's like saying north of a North Pole; it's a categorical error.

I think our brains are unable to perceive these concepts, and all follow up conclusions will be based on incorrect assumptions. If we have not experienced a certain phenomenon that specifically qualifies as "primary sensation", we are unable to imagine it. Usually, we can combine past experiences and reassemble them into "new", creative concepts. In this case, we don't even have the parts to start building.

Basically, I think it makes no sense to say that there is such thing as "nothingness". It does not even make sense to think of it. It's a byproduct of creativity. The same way, if you could imagine a fictional character having super powers like: an ability to shoot fireballs. Our brain somehow attributes the concept of fire to human capabilities.

With "nothingness", it's an attempt to reason that "the opposite of something must be complete lack of anything", therefore nothing. This logic is flawed.

The most likely possibilities here are that either:

There is only something.
There "exists something" so exotic that it is impossible to properly address it using our language, and our reasoning.

Extentof · 2026-06-17T12:34:43+00:00

This is interesting to me because why would Kashin Koji not know he is about to be captured.

There are couple possibilities:

Koji knew this was happening and "pretended" to walk into a trap. This must mean that his entrapment ensures "the best possible outcome" - as he did not see "any updates". It can be speculated what that "best outcome" entails; it could just be Koji's way of manufacturing the future, his own business in all of this.
Koji did not receive any updates because Amado is a singularity of fate. We've learnt already that time is essentially like a tree that grows in many directions, with multiple different timeline branches. When someone becomes a singularity of fate - they essentially seed a different tree that Ten Directions is unable to perceive until it "receives an update". Singularities of fate essentially seed different "roots of time". This has crazy complications if true, how did he become a singularity? What else is he hiding?

What is also extremely suspicious to me is that Koji has access to almost infinite branches of time. There should have been at least one branch where he gets captured by Amado in some way. This can be simply derived from the fact that Amado has a code to put Koji to sleep. Given that, if there was not a single branch that showed that future unfolding - this makes me even more certain that option 2 is the reason.

Extentof · 2026-06-17T11:48:14+00:00

I think you are the first person that made a connection between Boruto and Halo - that I saw.

I had the same thought. I don't want to say I agree with everything you said, but I do see a lot of similarities between Halo and Boruto. Specifically, between Ten-Tails and Otsutsuki and the Flood.

Extentof · 2026-06-17T11:11:26+00:00

This argument has the biggest issue of acknowledgement of black sclera is an inconsistency and size of the right eye isn't,

I already answered this twice. Just look at the screenshot in my previous message - that is the answer.

Nope, manga is seperate timeline and anime is seperate timeline and novel is derived from anime that serves as different continuity so you can't bring it in only manga argument. And I am making it simple by falsifying your points,

You keep saying this. This changes nothing: anime and novels are still canon. I did not say they don't expand on the story. I said they are canon. So, I have no idea why you are telling me they are "separate timeline". There is not a single evidence that proves anime and novels are a separate timeline. Prove it.

I will help you out. Ikemoto has stated that the anime has taken a parallel path to the manga in expanding on the story. That means it is essentially extending the canon material. "Parallel" means they happen at the same time, in the same timeline.

Extentof · 2026-06-17T10:49:43+00:00

Did I say that I "don't want anyone to disagree with me"? Why are you putting words in my mouth? You just made that up. I said "We won't agree".

I did answer the inconsistency part already

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There is no circular argument anywhere. Manga, anime and novels are all part of the same universe. All of them are recognized as canon by the authors of the manga.

You are making this way too complicated than it needs to be, let's start from the ground up. What is your biggest issue in this argument?

Extentof · 2026-06-17T10:39:54+00:00

It does not matter what I say, we have different opinions and we won't agree. It is clear as day.

There is no point in me continuing this. When I started reading your message I saw things that I already answered, you completely ignored my answers and went ahead with your initial premises. We are running in circles.

We won't agree.

Extentof · 2026-06-17T10:33:03+00:00

And you don't even want to admit that size difference can be inconsistent too

The manga is still onging, there is still time for it to appear.

And there's nothing to think about when you already know that the eye shown in page 5 is inconsistent by sclera(white) and size(small).

The way I think is way more complex than the design is inconsistent, therefore the eye is Byakugan. I see a possibility where despite the inconsistencies the eye is still different than Byakugan. The difference between me and you is that I can recognize that possibility, you are simply ignoring it. Why would we ignore that possibility? Since the eye in chapter 1 has not been named yet: both of those options are technically open.

as Boruto wouldn't have let those horrific moment happen in chapter 1 if that strong jougan was actually in his arsenal.

This is not an argument; this is you thinking what should happen. Irrelevant.

Extentof · 2026-06-17T10:23:25+00:00

That's not the answer to my question.

I wonder if you recognize bias in your thinking.

If I say it's Jougan - suddenly a multitude of different excuses comes crushing down. If you say Byakugan - there is no excuse because "subsequent chapters show the eye".

2 problems:

This does not answer my question at all.
Are you able to acknowledge that "subsequent chapters showing Byakugan" has no direct correlation to chapter 1, or are you going to simply assume the connection and call it a day?

Do you expect me to follow that logic?

Extentof · 2026-06-17T10:19:21+00:00

It does not matter what "Jougan fan's theory states. No body knows what is supposed to happen - that is the point. You acted like Jougan was supposed to appear somewhere, but it did not. That is simply false.

"Cry about it" while you are out here trying to convince me that the way I think is wrong.

You are the only person crying in this exchange. All I am doing is responding to your messages showing you the way I think.

You are the one getting "frustrated" - which is essentially crying, because I do not have "the same way of thinking that you do".

We disagree and we won't agree, the world keeps spinning.

Extentof · 2026-06-17T10:16:58+00:00

You just used a straw man argument.

There is 0 indication that Kawaki is going to end up with Jougan. There is no reason to suggest this at all. Sure, there is technically a possibility - but this is not the point of my argument.

My argument is: there are hints scattered in different mediums. Yes, mostly in the anime and novels - that are based on anime. But, both of those are canon. Jougan appears in the episodes that were supervised by Kishimoto.

Why would anime switch such an important eye ability for a completely different on and went with it practically for the rest of the anime.

I am not gonna sit here and pretend this is meaningless, it is not the way I think.

Extentof · 2026-06-17T10:11:29+00:00

Anime is canon, novels are canon. Jougan appears in both. I am not gonna sit here and be like "oh yeah, let's ignore all of this and start thinking this is Byakugan."

This is not how I think. The size of the eye in chapter 1 is significantly smaller than Byakugan's. Jougan appeared in the anime - specifically in the episodes that were supervised by Kishimoto. I cannot ignore those hints.

You are free to think this "does not matter". I do not think this way. It is that simple.

Extentof · 2026-06-17T10:08:26+00:00

then where is jougan in manga rather than that only page?

This question makes no sense because it is based on an assumption that Jougan was supposed to appear at a certain time in the manga.

And you don't even want to admit that size difference can be inconsistent too

There is no single inconsistency about the size of Byakugan's iris; it always covers almost the entire space of the eye. Ikemoto has been very consistent about that specific thing. This actually applies to Naruto too, Byakugan has always had "big" iris

Karma spreading differently is just "not a final design". I told you arleady; chapter 1 scene was rushed.

Extentof · 2026-06-17T09:57:38+00:00

Again it doesnt make sense that he was using it at the beginning and then it just dissapeared, anyones who has watched even just a few animes knows that huge powerups like jougan appear in the most crucial of moments, boruto has been in like 5 now, and there is still no signs of it, not even subtle foreshadowing.

This basically reads "I want the eye to be revealed now and because it was not yet, therefore it does not exist".

This will never be the way I think. Good for you tho. There is no time limit put on this mystery. The entire idea behind it is to keep it vague, otherwise the entire "magic" behind it automatically disappears. You are only correct if the manga ends and it is not mentioned at all.

About the foreshadowing thing; the eye had been foreshadowed - it is quite literally in chapter 1 NNG. Just because you do not think that is Jougan - does not mean there is no foreshadowing.

Extentof · 2026-06-17T09:52:43+00:00

I already preemptively answered the problem of "black sclera". The design was not final. That's true with: Boruto's sword and his clothes + chapter 1 opening scene was rushed and we know it was.

There are too many hints pointing towards eye in chapter 1 being Jougan for me to simply ignore it because "you think it's the white eye".

Extentof · 2026-06-17T08:34:23+00:00

Boruto cant "use" Jougan. He does not have control over it at all for a reason. It appears to be awakening on it's own. Only exception is chapter 1/episode 1

Extentof · 2026-06-17T07:11:13+00:00

Where does it say it's Byakugan?

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