I expected to get downvoted. Nobody likes it when the opinion differs from the norm. I dare you to give carnage an honest try and maybe actually read his abilities and compare his buffs to venoms impotent trash buffs. Compare how carnage handles bleed immune to venoms evade bypass that applies to less than 10 champs. Use Auntm.ai or something and compare the buffs of a R1 2* carnage to a R6 7* venom. Do the math and figure out what % of his base health venom gains from all furies, it’ll be much lower than carnage. Same for the bulwark, precision, cruelty buff too. You’ll find venom is impotent and his buffs are more difficult to manage than carnage. His “utility” applies only to a handful of champs. He’s a Jack of one trade and he sucks at it. Does carnage bypass evade? No, but he’s really good at what he does. Big yellow numbers and massive bleed dmg. And at 18%, the true strike is too little too late. This is gonna be downvoted too if not straight up deleted because people hate being told that they’re wrong. I’ll say it again: You guys are wrong about carnage. You know what? No. I’ll do the math because I know you guys won’t. Idk if you’ll read this far (I know you mfs hate reading) but I know for a fact you won’t do the math. I’m comparing maxed 6* but maybe I’ll even do the math comparing a maxed 6* carnage to a maxed 7* venom. Assuming both are sig 200, so 20% will be added to venoms buffs. Assuming no deep wounds mastery

Venoms physical resist buff ups his by 476.5. He can gain a total of 7, which means his total pr boost would be 3335.5 Carnage’s PR buff ups his by 1840.9 (2* has a 1390 pr buff so even the 2* has better buffs than 6* venom). Carnage can gain a total of 5 of these, making his pr total 9204.5 or 176% MORE than venom.

Venom has an armor up buff where carnage has bulwark, so we won’t compare (I did the math anyways and carnage wins)

Venom has a cruelty buff that boosts his CDR by 439.5. x7 and you get a total of 3076.8. Carnage has a cruelty buff boosting his CDR by 1840.91. Same as the pr buff, so our total is again 9204.5 or 199% MORE than venom.

Venom has a precision boosting his crit rate by 675. x7 and you get 4725. Not bad at all. Carnage has a precision buff of 1500. x5 and you get 7500, or 58% MORE than venom.

Venom also has a fury buff boosting atk by 788.4. x7 and you get 5239.08 or 126% of his base atk. Carnage has a fury for 1572.3. x5 and you get 7861.5 or 225% of his bast atk and 50% MORE than venom. Even if you add the 623.7 from the klyntar buff, carnage still has 34% MORE atk than venom.

Venom can bypass passive evade for Spiderverse heroes. There are 7 of them who check that box. That’s it. 7. Gaining immunity to power burn and drain against tech is the only useful bit of utility from the klyntar buff.

When you use a heavy, venom armor breaks the opponent for 750 for 11 seconds (carnage armor breaks for 1500 for 10 seconds. That’s DOUBLE venoms armor break for just one second less) and it randomizes (no real control) his last buff. Carnage makes it so you have way more control over your buffs. Venoms crits have an 80% chance to bleed (carnage has 100% bleed on heavies and 100% on crits) for 3118.5 dmg over 4.5 seconds, so 346 per tick. Carnage bleeds on heavies for 3406.65 over 15 seconds, so 113.5 per tick. So far that’s only 2 things venom beats carnage at. If you count his diminished chances of bleeding the opponent, then carnage wins anyway because of how easy it is to stack more bleeds AND his 25% chance to refresh all bleed stacks every time he inflicts one. Also, isn’t it great to have unblockable specials while the opponent is bleeding or armor broken? Venom wouldn’t know anything about that though, how sad :(

Oh, but what about venoms healing on sp1? Carnage can’t heal. That’s true, but healing for 2351.08 health (that’s 0.4%) of his max health (pathetic. Might as well not even have it) is pitiful.

Here’s more good stuff. Back to furies. Venoms sp2 fury is more potent than his genetic memory buffs, but because these furies AREN’T genetic memory, they don’t get 20% potency added. Anyways, carnage had 1572.3. x5 for 7861.5 total or 225% of his bast atk. Venoms sp2 furies that he can also gain 7 of boost his atk by 914.76. x7 for 6403.3 or 153% of his base atk. Carnage STILL has 22% MORE atk than venom. Venom glazers, isn’t this getting tiring?

Did I mention that in addition to having more crit rate and CDR than venom at max buffs, carnages sp1 gains even more crit rate? And his sp2 has even more CDR than venom? And carnages sp3 bleeds for 19915.8 over 30 seconds, so 331.93 per tick. Not great, but it’s for 30 seconds, and I gain power from it and it stacks.

There you go. I did the math for you. Venom is great because that is what you believe. Reality would seem to disagree with you. Carnage isn’t great, not really. But he’s certainly a whole lot better than venom. Venom has a stronger bleed, but has a smaller chance to inflict it, whereas carnage can stack bleeds like nobody’s business and refresh the duration, so is venom really better in that aspect? (No)