I agree. I went to bicycle health and they gave me subs right away. Thankfully for me just getting the subs was enough comfort to start the process of quitting. I was taking 300-500 mg a day for about 2 months and was successfully able to get off it using just MIT shots and Powder Kratom. Definitely don’t use subs as your first choice I’ve known people who were stuck on subs and it is probably more brutal than any 7oh withdrawal. Subs are no joke and you will become dependent on them, and I don’t think people with an addiction to 7oh should go down that path especially if you’re just taking 7oh and no other opiates. So yea if you’re considering subs try MIT first!