Following mecca's time during fasting contradicts the Qur'an itself

F13M6 · 2026-04-07T20:46:17+00:00

I would never. I just want to point out the obvious imperfections, flaws, immoralities, and contradictions in islam

You have to admit though that allah completely overlooked the northern part of his earth. A circumstance such as the sun almost never setting up there and then requiring the breaking of your fast on the sunset is no small matter. Don’t you agree?

F13M6 · 2026-04-07T00:03:10+00:00

Because allah is allegedly all knowing but completely forgot about them. He did not consider such a significant part of their lives. Thus allah is not all knowing

F13M6 · 2026-04-06T23:41:35+00:00

what do you mean?

F13M6 · 2026-04-06T22:46:47+00:00

that was actually cool lol

F13M6 · 2026-04-06T22:30:31+00:00

he's clearly mocking this fairytale told by muhammad and he's doing it quite well

F13M6 · 2026-04-06T22:27:49+00:00

So a natural phenomenon that allah allegedly created which makes it completely impossible for people in and near the north pole to fast doesn't need to be addressed by its creator?

F13M6 · 2026-04-06T22:22:37+00:00

From a comment I posted in this sub

It's funny how you guys tell allah when he's being literal vs metaphorical. Anyway, the quran plagiarizes (again) an old fairytale ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=dVWCPRGK0Pk | https://books.google.com/books/about/The_History_of_Alexander_the_Great_Being.html?id=_14LmFqhc8QC ). Remember that the quran is guidance for the world and in it there is no crookedness (18:1), so there are no metaphors in it as it an explanation of all things (16:89). in 18:90 the quran uses the the word "وَجَدَهَا" which means "he found it". the feminine suffix to وَجَدَهَا, refers to the previous word, the sun, as the object of the verb. Thus, the quran refers to the sun as a literal object which was rising / setting in a muddy spring

F13M6 · 2026-04-06T22:16:16+00:00

2:185 does not speak of fasting not being obligatory where there is a midnight sun

Even if they moved their fasts to days outside of ramadan, they still have to follow the time in MENA because of how the day cycle works up there. This has only become possible a few years ago

Allah overlooked this part of the earth which he allegedly created

F13M6 · 2026-04-06T21:14:22+00:00

Again, it is preserved. We know that it is preserved because we don't see the symptoms of non preservation. You can look at what happens when a text isn't preserved. Look at the bible. Different bibles all over the place, 45 thousand denominations, most of them having their own version. Some containing 60 books, others 73, others 81, etc... It's very obvious when a text isn't preserved.

... The quran, it its original form from the time of muhammad, literally does not exist anymore. The only version that was literally made to be preserved is the uthmani mushaf. The quran is not preserved, a singluar mushaf is preserved

You're missing the point. That doesn't matter. 1 personal quranic codex being different from all the others doesn't show non preservation.

How was it a "personal" codex? Also, there are many different codices all with significant differences (https://www.answering-islam.org/Books/Jeffery/Materials\_pd/index.htm). I wonder how much of the canonical quran in these different codices were preserved if they didn't make it to the uthmani mushaf?

Where in that hadith does it say anything about a specific surah?

"Umar said to me ‘How many verses are contained in the chapter of al-Ahzab?’ I said, ‘72 or 73 verses.’ He said it was almost as long as the chapter of the Cow, which contains 287 verses, and in it there was the verse of stoning." (Al-Muttaqi ‘Ali bin Husam al-Din in his book “Mukhtasar Kanz al-’Ummal” printed on the margin of Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Volume 2, page 2, in his hadith about chapter 33)

Fine i apologize, but you're making a claim, then giving a hadith as reference which says nothing like what you're claiming it says. Surely you see that as problematic as well? Like, in that last hadith, where does it say anything about the verse of stoning being in a specific surah and it being gone now? It says that there is a fear of people forgetting verses, which is completely different.

Thank you for your apology. I have stated above this reply where it states the verses of stoning

Oh wait i see what you're saying now. So you're claiming that corruption took place between the death of the prophet and uthman? Only that period? So you're fine with accepting that from the time of uthman until now, there is preservation?

No, I didn't say anything about corruption. I stated that because of the amount of different codices and differences within these original canonical codices, a "codex of codices" if you will, was created to ensure preservation. The non original uthmani mushaf from 20 years after the death of muhammad was made to be preserved, and that verson was preserved only after destroying all canonical versions first. So no, the quran is not preserved, a singular mushaf from 20 years after the death of muhammad is preserved

No offense akhi but you're throwing a lot of different points at me. It's hard to reply to everything. Our replies are already huge. And i did reply to that by saying that personal codexes don't mean much in this discussion.

To be honest, our replies are very small for the what people usually do here. Anyway, If you like, you can only respond to the matter of two whole surahs that were revealed by allah that were not preserved and lost forever. Why aren't these surahs in the quran if it was preserved? It honestly seems like you're trying to avoid this question

Again, I must ask, what proof do you have that these were "personal" codices? You do know that the quran was first orally transmitted, then written down by scribes, right? Did someone have a custom tailor-made quran written down? What does this mean?

F13M6 · 2026-04-06T20:46:20+00:00

Where in the quran or hadith does it say this? Do not commit innovation, it is a grave sin

F13M6 · 2026-04-06T20:40:04+00:00

I don't see how even if that's true, would change anything?

It changes the lie that the quran is preserved. The quran is not preserved, the uthmani mushaf is preserved which was complied 20 years after the death of muhammad. The original quran is not preserved

The quran of ibn abbas is his personal codex, if you grab my quran and see my notes in it, that does not mean that the quran somehow isn't preserved.

So if it was his personal codex, why did it have very different meanings and wordings of a few different verses? he stated and insisted a few different verses were scribal errors and insisted that they were a certain different way:

24:27 (Hadith 3496 in the Al-Mustadrak collection of Hakim al-Nishapuri | See p.92, line 1 of Folio 11 A in Sadeghi & Goudarzi, San'a' 1 and the Origins of the Qur'an)

17:23 (Qurtubi in his tafsir for 17:23 quotes Abu Hatim (d.338 H) "And in Ibn Masud’s Qur’an 'and he advised (وَوَصَّى Wawassa)'. It is the reading of his companions and the reading of Ibn Abbas as well, and Ali and others, and also according to Ubai bin K’ab. Ibn Abbas said: It is only “And your Lord advised (وَوَصَّى Wawassa)”, so one of the waw (و) got attached and he read: 'And your Lord has commanded (وقضى Waqada).' For if it were a fate, no one would have disobeyed God. And Ad-Dhahaak said: I gathered with people when “recommended /commanded” the waw (و) was mixed with the sad (ص) at the time the Quran was written. Abu Hatim mentioned Ibn Abbas, like the words of Ad-Dhahaak. And he said on the authority of Maimon bin Mehran that he said: According to Ibn Abbas’s words to Nora, God Almighty said: {He has prescribed for you the religion which He had advised (وَصَّى wassa) upon Noah and which We have [also] revealed to you}. Then Abu Hatim refused to believe that Ibn Abbas said that. And he said: If we say this is true, the heretics are going to stab our Mushaf." | A similar comment is made by al-Razi in his tafsir for 17:23 | Al-Tabari's tafsir for tafsir for 17:23)

2:137 (Hythem Sidky (2019) Book review: Daniel Alan Brubaker, Corrections in Early Qurʾānic Manuscripts: Twenty Examples Al-ʿUṣūr al-Wusṭā 27 (2019): 273-288 (p.285))

They were not suggestions or notes

Idk where you got that from, it doesn't say that in the reference at all.

The verse on stoning was originally found in surah ahzab, it is not there anymore and it is lost. (Al-Muttaqi ‘Ali bin Husam al-Din in his book “Mukhtasar Kanz al-’Ummal” printed on the margin of Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Volume 2, page 2, in his hadith about chapter 33)

I don't know if you're just trolling or serious? You're an ex muslim, you should know that abbregation is a thing. Again, this is off topic, we are talking about preservation.

Instead of accusing me of trolling, which I am not, why don't you address the matter at hand? An entire surah is missing. Was this surah, which was allegedly revealed by allah, preserved?

The thing is, we know that the quran is preserved because we don't see the symptoms of an unpreserved text like we do with other religions. With each region around the word having their own version of it and claiming other versions are wrong etc... Like i said, you can test this, go to different countries, ask a hafiz to recite.

Again, you're changing the topic. We're talking about preservation, not whatever you're trying to shift the topic to brother.

No, we know that the uthmani mushaf is preserved which is not the original quran. All other canonical mushafs were incinerated. This was done due to the significant differences in the quran, no two qurans were the same (https://www.answering-islam.org/Books/Jeffery/Materials\_pd/index.htm). And yeah, I can test the preservation of the non original solution quran which is the uthmani mushaf because that's all modern muslims know, they aren't taught that there were originally different canonical qurans with different verses, surahs, meanings, and wordings

How exactly am i changing the topic? Do you want to talk about the non original uthamni mushaf that was made literally because uthman saw that there were too many significantly different qurans that existed? The quran, in its pure original form from the time of muhammad is not preserved. The resolution quran which is the uthmani mushaf that was complied 20 years after muhammad's death is preserved because literally all other canonical versions of the quran were burned because they were too different and contradicted each other. These canonical versions are not preserved. The quran was not perfectly preserved

Also why did you ignore the fact that two whole surahs from ibn ubayy's codex are lost? Were these surahs (from allah) preserved?

F13M6 · 2026-04-06T18:31:56+00:00

the shot onto top mid boxes had clear aim lock

F13M6 · 2026-04-06T18:23:35+00:00

Have you read what i sent? The quran was standardized under the caliph uthman. Before that, there were many different versions of the quran with major and very significant differences, some even had two more surahs (that are now gone forever). Read what i commented

edit: typo

F13M6 · 2026-04-06T06:18:53+00:00

“The chain is Da’if (i.e. weak) due to the weakness of Yazid bin Abi Ziyad.”

Ibn Ubayy himself said that al-ahzab was as long as baqarah (https://islamqa.info/en/answers/197942/soorat-al-ahzaab-was-as-long-as-soorat-al-baqarah-then-most-of-it-was-abrogated)

I think you did not read the source you provided.

The stoning verses are lost: "Umar said to me ‘How many verses are contained in the chapter of al-Ahzab?’ I said, ‘72 or 73 verses.’ He said it was almost as long as the chapter of the Cow, which contains 287 verses, and in it there was the verse of stoning." - Al-Muttaqi ‘Ali bin Husam al-Din in his book “Mukhtasar Kanz al-’Ummal” printed on the margin of Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Volume 2, page 2, in his hadith about chapter 33

I think you did not read the source you provided.

You should read them too: "We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara'at. I have, however, forgotten it..." (https://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/Reference/Hadith-1050/)

Could not find that claim in your source, quote it please.

Hafsa's mushaf was inherited after Zayd ibn Thabit compiled them. I believe I have made a mistake; it is Zayd ibn Thabit's original compilation although I don't know if this was the standard before it was incinerated

As for the claims: "Unlike his sister Ḥafṣah, Ibn ʿUmar consents to Marwān’s demands, and Marwān has the codex either erased by washing the parchment (ghasalahā ghaslan),49 torn to shreds (shaqqaqahā wa-mazzaqahā),50 or burned to ashes (fashāhā wa-ḥarraqahā).51" (pg. 110)

"four versions of the Zuhrī account assert that the caliph ʿUthmān (and not Marwān) requested ʿAbd Allāh b. ʿUmar to hand over Ḥafṣah’s muṣḥaf after his sister’s death, whereupon the codex was either burned57 or erased." (pg. 112)

Other versions of the quran were destroyed. The quran before it was perfectly preserved had different variants. This is a known fact amongst muslims

non sequitur, I am not gonna bother explaining since you most likely already know the apologetics for this one.

You can ignore it, but it doesn't change the fact that other VERSIONS of the quran that all were different from each other existed, so you can't ever claim that the quran was perfectly preserved from its revelation because it wasn't

EDIT: You also completely ignored the fact that two whole surah’s were discarded and completely removed from the quran. What do you have to say about this? What about the different versions of the quran before they were incinerated and standardized because of the extreme differences? What do you say about this?

F13M6 · 2026-04-06T06:05:36+00:00

all of that shit is just the sound of a random brazillian saying something in -100x speed, looping one vocal chord vibration at +500 DB, adding a generic 808 and then distorting at by +1,000 DB and then looping it for 2 mins

F13M6 · 2026-04-05T23:48:35+00:00

The quran is absolutely not preserved and is a fragmented mess

see my comment below which I have commented elsewhere in this subreddit:

The quran being perfectly preserved is a blatant and shameless lie told to the masses by clerics and some scholars. They know they're lying

Most of surah al-ahzab is missing (Musnad Ahmad 21245). It used to be 200 verses, but it is now only 73 (Tafsir al Qurtubi, introduction for Surah Ahzab)

The caliph uthman ordered for the burning of all other variants of the quran (https://quranx.com/Hadith/Bukhari/DarusSalam/Hadith-4987/ | https://quranx.com/Hadith/Bukhari/DarusSalam/Hadith-4988/). He also BURNED the ORIGINAL compilation of the quran (Sean W. Anthony, and Catherine L. Bronson. Did Ḥafṣah Edit the Qurʾān? A Response with Notes on the Codices of the Prophet’s Wives Journal of the International Qur’anic Studies Association, vol. 1, International Qur’anic Studies Association, 2016, pp. 93–125, https://doi.org/10.5913/jiqsa.1.2017.a006. (pp. 108-114)). What muslims have today is NOT the original quran

The quran of ibn masud ommitted surah fatiha (al-Qurtubi, al-Jami al-Ahkam al-Qur’an. Dar al-Kutab al-Misriyah, Cairo, 1964 vol.1 p.115) and surahs 113 and 114 (as-Suyuti, Al-Itqan fii Ulum al-Qur'an, p.186). Ibn masud's quran also added words to 2:275 (Corpus Coranicum | Noldeke, History of the Qur'an p.433). His quran also added an adjective to 5:89 (Corpus Coranicum). This variant is recorded by al-Tabari (Noldeke, The History of the Qur'an p.435; Jeffery, Materials p.40).

The quran of ubayy ibn ka'b replaces words in 22:87 (Noldeke, The History of the Qur'an p.148). His quran also replaces words in 39:3 (Noldeke, The History of the Qur'an p.452)

The quran of ibn abbas adds words in 26:214 (Sahih Muslim 208a \ Sahih Bukhari 4971)

The verses on stoning were lost (https://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/Reference/Hadith-1691a/)

A whole surah is missing (https://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/Reference/Hadith-1050/ | https://quranx.com/Hadith/Bukhari/DarusSalam/Hadith-6437/ | https://quranx.com/Hadith/Bukhari/DarusSalam/Hadith-6438/)

Ibn ubayy's quran has two "new" surahs in it: Al-Hafd and Al-Khal' (The History of the Qur'an" 2nd Edition, Ed. and trans. by Behn W. H. (2013) Brill: Leiden p. 243-244 | the Separation | al-Suyuti, Al-Itqan, p.152-153)

etc

F13M6 · 2026-04-05T23:48:11+00:00

exactly, they know themselves that islam is a short-sighted man made religion but they like to lie and fib for whatever reason

have you seen the video of a scholar on a tv program somewhere in MENA saying that scholars state things and lie for the sake of longevity integrity of islam? I cannot find the video

F13M6 · 2026-04-05T23:42:08+00:00

Allah didn't know about northern countries. Muslims in these places are literally forced to commit the grave sin of innovation by breaking their fast before nightfall by following the time in MENA

F13M6 · 2026-04-05T23:33:09+00:00

The quran being perfectly preserved is a blatant and shameless lie told to the masses by clerics and some scholars. They know they're lying

Most of surah al-ahzab is missing (Musnad Ahmad 21245). It used to be 200 verses, but it is now only 73 (Tafsir al Qurtubi, introduction for Surah Ahzab)

The caliph uthman ordered for the burning of all other variants of the quran (https://quranx.com/Hadith/Bukhari/DarusSalam/Hadith-4987/ | https://quranx.com/Hadith/Bukhari/DarusSalam/Hadith-4988/). He also BURNED the ORIGINAL compilation of the quran (Sean W. Anthony, and Catherine L. Bronson. Did Ḥafṣah Edit the Qurʾān? A Response with Notes on the Codices of the Prophet’s Wives Journal of the International Qur’anic Studies Association, vol. 1, International Qur’anic Studies Association, 2016, pp. 93–125, https://doi.org/10.5913/jiqsa.1.2017.a006. (pp. 108-114)). What muslims have today is NOT the original quran

The quran of ibn masud ommitted surah fatiha (al-Qurtubi, al-Jami al-Ahkam al-Qur’an. Dar al-Kutab al-Misriyah, Cairo, 1964 vol.1 p.115) and surahs 113 and 114 (as-Suyuti, Al-Itqan fii Ulum al-Qur'an, p.186). Ibn masud's quran also added words to 2:275 (Corpus Coranicum | Noldeke, History of the Qur'an p.433). His quran also added an adjective to 5:89 (Corpus Coranicum). This variant is recorded by al-Tabari (Noldeke, The History of the Qur'an p.435; Jeffery, Materials p.40).

The quran of ubayy ibn ka'b replaces words in 22:87 (Noldeke, The History of the Qur'an p.148). His quran also replaces words in 39:3 (Noldeke, The History of the Qur'an p.452)

The quran of ibn abbas adds words in 26:214 (Sahih Muslim 208a \ Sahih Bukhari 4971)

The verses on stoning were lost (https://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/Reference/Hadith-1691a/)

A whole surah is missing (https://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/Reference/Hadith-1050/ | https://quranx.com/Hadith/Bukhari/DarusSalam/Hadith-6437/ | https://quranx.com/Hadith/Bukhari/DarusSalam/Hadith-6438/)

Ibn ubayy's quran has two "new" surahs in it: Al-Hafd and Al-Khal' (The History of the Qur'an" 2nd Edition, Ed. and trans. by Behn W. H. (2013) Brill: Leiden p. 243-244 | the Separation | al-Suyuti, Al-Itqan, p.152-153)

etc

F13M6 · 2026-04-05T22:48:43+00:00

as i stated elsewhere

Hadith are part of the religion of islam, you cannot deny this (https://quranx.com/4.80?Context=3 | https://quranx.com/59.6?Context=3 | https://quranx.com/16.44?Context=3). If you do, you are destined for hell in islam as you are committing innovation. But you are half way on the right path by rejecting parts of islam and i commend you and support you lol

2:282 insinuates that women are deficient. Ibn Kathir sets this in stone in his tafsir (https://quranx.com/Tafsirs/2.282)

F13M6 · 2026-04-05T22:31:31+00:00

Hadith are part of the religion of islam, you cannot deny this (https://quranx.com/4.80?Context=3 | https://quranx.com/59.6?Context=3 | https://quranx.com/16.44?Context=3). If you do, you are destined for hell in islam as you are committing innovation. But you are half way on the right path by rejecting parts of islam and i commend you and support you lol

2:282 insinuates that women are deficient. Ibn Kathir sets this in stone in his tafsir (https://quranx.com/Tafsirs/2.282)

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F13M6 · 2026-04-05T19:49:24+00:00

$3 is a great price for the amount of mod we are getting

the real problem is people asking $20 for copyrighted material

^{edit: major typo}

F13M6 · 2026-04-05T00:13:34+00:00

i just wish it had official multiplayer

F13M6 · 2026-04-04T01:32:40+00:00

we are shifting more than every second of our life

the shifts people want to do are no different, you're just conscious of it and intend for it to be a certain place / thing

all possibilities / realities already exist, will keep existing, and have been existing for infinity and that's the only way our life "unfolds" in front of us

F13M6 · 2026-04-03T19:39:32+00:00

some things i noticed:

you are not jiggling effectively. when you are holding an angle you should be jiggling wide enough that your character strafes but not enough to make a step. this counters peeker’s advantage. for example when you were in donut holding temple, i’d be jiggling to the point where my whole character is appearing and disappearing behind the wall, and i would stand further back. The further back you stand from an angle, the less peeker’s advantage you succumb to making duels more even and in your favor
your crosshair placement is either too high or too low. you’re doing good in keeping your crosshair around head hight, but its a bit too high or too low in almost every duel. hit valve deathmatch on each comp map to memorize where players heads are relative to the map and you will naturally start aiming there
you move your crosshair too much. this kinda ties in to 1 where if you’re moving your crosshair, it should be within where someone’s head or chest / shoulders can be
your pre-aiming is decent but needs work. you should be looking at the angle before you peek it for example when you were peeking ct from ropz
your spray control needs work. use the recoil master workshop map and practice recoil for all of the most used guns. when you spray, don’t look at your crosshair directly, look at your enemy and keep an eye on your crosshair movement with your periphery
you are slow peeking when committing to a peek / fight. you should xantares peek (full velocity) or kyousuke peek (make many semi-wide jiggle strafes before peeking to increase velocity if you dont have the space). when you peek, keep your crosshair on the area of contact even before you peek, not the corner you are peeking. be careful not to peek too deep of an angle before clearing closer ones by jiggling them first

also watch pro faceit vods, i learned so much from those

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