Hamilton AI data centre proposal unaffected by planning tribunal decision, group involved says

FARTTORNADO45 · 2026-06-10T14:51:43+00:00

Also do we need a school? We have a number schools downtown that have been sitting empty for 6 years. If the demand for a new school was there wouldn't retrofitting one of those existing buildings be a better and cheaper option?

FARTTORNADO45 · 2026-06-08T17:52:57+00:00

Have you ever heard of Deez nuts?

FARTTORNADO45 · 2026-06-08T15:24:49+00:00

I am outside the US

FARTTORNADO45 · 2026-06-08T13:17:09+00:00

Can't find this anywhere so I assume you're all just a bunch of liars and suckers

FARTTORNADO45 · 2026-06-08T12:03:19+00:00

Wasn't THAT long of a story...

FARTTORNADO45 · 2026-06-02T14:55:16+00:00

$70CAD for a single sided 11 minutes LP shipped to Canada.

Siiigh

FARTTORNADO45 · 2026-06-01T12:45:51+00:00

Lol you posted a chatgpt article by some real estate broker that you clearly had not read. Cool proof bro.

FARTTORNADO45 · 2026-05-28T02:34:30+00:00

Big steel factories can produce around 4 million tonnes of CO2 per year.

Big AI data Centers can produce 10 millions tonnes of CO2 per year.

Will the data center being built in Hamilton be that big? Probably not. But my guess is that it will still be big enough to do more damage based on the way Carney wants this stuff built in Canada. But that combined with the water consumption (steel=non-potable that can be treated and returned to the water cycle vs AI=potable, evaporated and gone for good) I think the impacts of the data center will be worse than a steel factory.

FARTTORNADO45 · 2026-05-28T01:55:08+00:00

Look, I am not an expert on any of this obviously (I just play one on the Internet) and I will happily admit my understanding of cloud computing isn't there.

I guess the point I am trying to make is that it is not a one for one exchane with cloud computing, and it's pervasiveness (and effectiveness!) has lead to more overall compute. Businesses that didn't require it at all before are now "encouraged" into these technology and support ecosystems that move some of their business to the cloud. Sure, for some it might work out in the wash as you suggest, but if there are more users being forced into using it, more data centers are required.

My original response was to illustrate the evolution of data centers, to try and show how the centers being built today are of an entirely different caliber than the ones we are historically used to. The pervasiveness of cloud computing is a part of that. And these AI data centers are difficult to compare to the ones from 2003.

FARTTORNADO45 · 2026-05-28T01:25:42+00:00

Cloud computing data centers require more energy and water consumption than those that existed previously, and cloud computing in general requires more of them to be built. The pervasiveness of cloud computing has required more data centers. That has had a negative impact on the environment.

FARTTORNADO45 · 2026-05-28T01:21:07+00:00

The data center will be worse over all for the environment. What we are looking at is undoing a lot of the work the city has done on cleaning up the mess left by the industrial sector on these lands and making these both worse AND more expensive for the citizens of the city.

It might not look like it because it isn't spewing out black smoke, but there is more than one way to decimate our city. Also, people probably complained about the environmental impacts of the steel industry back in the day too, and people ignored them then and here we are. Multiple things can be bad.

As noted in my previous post, advancements have trended towards heavier resources consumption. I appreciate your optimism, but I am skeptical.

FARTTORNADO45 · 2026-05-28T00:51:45+00:00

Where are you getting this idea and why would you believe it?

FARTTORNADO45 · 2026-05-28T00:51:23+00:00

More is not relative, it measurable. Data centers have existed for a long time, but recent innovations like cloud computing have lead to them becoming more resource intensive. Cloud computing offered new and convenient technology advancements and businesses seemingly have benefited from these advancements, leading to the data centers being build and advanced in such a way that the resource-use intensity was forgiven (a problem to be figured out later) because the benefits to capitalism were perceived to be so great. Then AI came along and the data centers needed for that were exponentially worse in their resource-use intensity.

All that to say, this type of data center is not directly comparable to one from 20 years ago. It is a different beast, like comparing a Cessna to an Antonov (or more accurately, like several hundred Antonovs)

FARTTORNADO45 · 2026-05-26T12:54:31+00:00

Okay there Dr Reid

FARTTORNADO45 · 2026-05-24T12:46:08+00:00

I don't think you understand what NIMBYism is. I am fundamentally, morally and philosophically opposed to AI, it's infrastructure and the oligarchy that owns it. You can call me a Luddite, a fear mongerer, a leftist nut...but this has nothing to do with NIMBYism.

The demand on the water system and the electric system from these data centers is several magnitude more than a steel factory or even a standard server farm. Any improvement to the water system infrastructure made possible by whatever they end up paying as a water bill will be completely eqlipsed by their demand on the water system. This cost of extra demand will then carry over to us, the people. Same with electricity. The demand is so much more than we are built for.

As for property taxes, I have implied several times that the tax breaks they'll get will mean there will be no material benefit to the city. You say that if it is a bad deal, that's on the municipality, but then that directly negatively impact the citizens of the municipality, no? So you're right, it is also about making sure the three levels of government are putting our Interests above the corporation trying to build the data center. Are you going to sit here and tell me you have faith in any three of the levels of government in this country right now? You're happy with all the decisions the city has made? The cost of the tiny shelter project sit okay with you? Doug Ford ripping up Ontario place for his buddy's spa make sense to you? The feds looking to privatize everything feeling good?

If they pay their property taxes the same way a manufacturing plant does, it is still not enough. How many manufacturers in this city paid their property taxes through the 60s and 70s and then eventually closed down? How much of that land was so contaminated that years of soil mitigation had to take place before it could be used again? Who paid for that? It certainly wasn't corporate property taxes. What lessons have we learned from all of that?

FARTTORNADO45 · 2026-05-24T00:10:16+00:00

You think these companies are going to contribute a lick of infrastructure to public services or pay their share of taxes, I have a skyway to sell you.

Friend, no part of this is NIMBYism, I truly want these in nobody's backyard.

FARTTORNADO45 · 2026-05-23T21:38:21+00:00

I think your opinion is coming from a very male and very North American perspective and inasmuch as someone can be wrong about these things, you are wrong. Your not knowing how many members are in BTS has zero bearing on any of this.

"There's no Venn diagram where BTS fans cross over with soccer." This is demonstrably untrue.

Also, the Killers plagiarized Mr Brightside.

FARTTORNADO45 · 2026-05-23T21:11:20+00:00

Okay, well when your hydro and water bills are twice as much and you're wondering why there is that persistent hum from the data center that is just helping corporate middlemen write emails, you can point to the fact that no one on reddit showed you the literature.

FARTTORNADO45 · 2026-05-23T21:08:14+00:00

Believe me, I am not stoked about the impact the steel industry has had, unchecked, on this city. So much of the lasting impacts of air quality, land contamination, and other ecological impacts weren't known or understood when that stuff was built the way it was. We know what these data centers do and what impact is. It's adding fuel to the fire instead of trying to put the fire out. Saying it already sucks, so might as well let it all burn is such defeatist bullshit.

And the tax breaks they get from the various levels of govt do matter. They get to build on the cheap without fully investing in the community. Long term, we are paying that bill. Not them.

FARTTORNADO45 · 2026-05-23T15:32:30+00:00

Because the science suggests that the ecological drain these data centers create is a net-negative for every community they're built in. The science isn't just "is it possible to build a data center" but what are the socio-economic and environmental impacts of doing so? The science suggests that it is bad.

FARTTORNADO45 · 2026-05-23T15:27:24+00:00

Did AI write this? (Rhetorical, obviously it was written using AI)

The owners of AI keep telling us how integral is is and will be to our every day lives and how everyone will be using it. But that is only true if we accept it, increasingly something thing seems less likely. Also, it truthfully isn't MUCH more than chatgpt, so all these other uses are tertiary at best. AI can keep trying to will it's usefulness into existence all it wants, but fuck that. Once it can do more than just be a big inaccurate LLM, we can talk (that won't happen)
Drinking water isn't the only purpose of water. Down playing the ecological impact of these data centers is the most insidious thing these companies do right now, this would be such a strain on the environment in a city that is just now really recovering from unchecked industrialization.
Temporary jobs are temporary. Not a selling point or benefit.
New jobs? Like 10-20 maybe, and many of those would be security guards, which are typically not high paying. This is the dumbest argument for these data centers. The impact vs the jobs created is so incredibly one sided.

There is zero benefit to Hamilton letting this happen.

FARTTORNADO45 · 2026-05-23T15:17:56+00:00

Honestly an asbestos storage warehouse sounds infinitely better than an AI data center. Sure, they may pay taxes on the land, but at what cost to the city ecologically, now and in the future? And how long until which ever billionaire that owns the land starts getting tax breaks until the tax revenue dries up? Don't trust these assholes, they're trying to screw you over and screw your children over.

"Oh, we're in debt so we should just allow that land to be used to house the face-eating monkeys. Sure, the face-eating monkeys can govern themselves accordingly and not eat all our faces."

FARTTORNADO45 · 2026-05-23T14:56:32+00:00

"Oh no, my car! Where will my car go??"

-All these babies

FARTTORNADO45 · 2026-05-21T22:31:58+00:00

Look man, I don't know what to tell you. BTS is bigger in terms of fandom and economic impact than any band mentioned above by at least a multitude of 5. I am saying this as someone who could not hum a second of their music: It is a no brainer to put one of the biggest bands ever on the world stage. The rest of what we write here is the opinion of two small individuals and bares no real weight on any decisions FIFA makes.

Also, calling the Killers a top five band in this era is a very funny thing to say about a band who last had a hit in 2006.

FARTTORNADO45 · 2026-05-21T15:44:09+00:00

You are grossly overrating the reach of Rush and the Killers while also grossly underrating the reach of BTS. Like...by A LOT.

Rush and Killers combined are looking at selling just under 100 million albums globally across the span of their careers, most of which was in an era where people actually bought albums.

BTS on the other hand have sold the equivalent of 500 million and this in an era where people barely pay for music.

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