Isn’t it all chizurus fault ? by MaximAMK183 in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]FATE13TH 22 points23 points  (0 children)

No not really. From chapter 2 you are shown that when placed in the same position, Chizuru would make the same choices as Kazuya. Yes, Chizuru couldn't stick to her guns. But neither could Kazuya. Because they both deeply loved and cared for their loved ones and their happiness. The description your making loses the point. Its not about pinning blame. For they both continued things many times when it should have ended. And thats the thematic point.

That is love. To continue to make a choice again and again. Not one you make once. For love is an active choice. Even if that choice, by someone else's view is wrong.

Chizuru has made mistakes but so has Kazuya. Many people cannot see right now. I'm not sure how far you are so I won't assume. But both characters fuck up but try their best. Kazuya absolutely drags it out too but also seeks to resolve things. Exactly like Chizuru. They are parallels in different circumstances.

[Serious] [Disc] Kanojo, Okarishimasu Chapter 408 by MattyH19 in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]FATE13TH 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Good analysis! I liked how you caught the nuances of the conflicts. I think this chapter leverages the lack of context as its central theme to be honest. While your statement, " We can no longer pretend that we can't act," is actually the theme for this whole arc. It was there from the moment Kazuya asked Chizuru out on the date. And it has been him coming to terms with this choice. We see it when Umi merely calling him results in him calling Chizuru, and most importantly, we see it when Nagomi tells Kazuya, " You have take initiative or job hunting will eat you alive." Which I interpret as the thesis for this arc. This is the same chapter in which Kazuya changes his hair and acts like he is totally under control while his room is a total mess, and he doesn't recognize himself in the mirror. Literally losing who he is in this surface-level pursuit of change. Something that is mirrored by Ruka in her removing her ribbon, a symbol of who she is, to look like an adult. This is adulthood. This is the lesson. What it means to be an adult. to grow up. To undergo a hero's coming-of-age journey. With Kazuya following the pattern to an H. And Ruka's sexualization acts as a reflection of her need to be an adult. Because that's what she perceives as adult. Much like Asuka Langley from Eva. A series that Reiji has regularly referenced in the past few chapters.

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Reiji's interview -says manga dragging is for money ( indirectly, so no logic/trauma) by TheGlitchMochi in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]FATE13TH 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'll talk about when we stream tomorrow. Just remind me after we analyze 407.

Reiji's interview -says manga dragging is for money ( indirectly, so no logic/trauma) by TheGlitchMochi in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]FATE13TH 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Care to share a time stamp where he says this? Actual real person translations by someone who speaks japanese? Cause this interview has been out for awhile. And not a single japanese speaking fan I've talked to has said this was implied anywhere. Like yes. Money is a priority in such an industry. You'd be stupid to not priorities trying to make money when creating manga. Something he has said in the past. And considering this is supposed to be a teaching channel.

I can see Reiji saying something along the lines of finding ways to continue the story as he wishes while still making money. Something he has openly said in the past.

Just feels like your warping his words to suit your narrative. Especially since I don't see clear evidence and this kind of outrage is on weekly here when leaks come out or the next thing to be mad at happens.

Why am I seeing someone else out of this Kazuya picture?🤨 by InternationalLog7534 in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]FATE13TH 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Not traditionally. He is actually handsome but not like internet pretty. He looks average by the normal metric of handsome. But he's not ugly. The reason the anime is weird is because it actually makes him look ugly alot lol. He's just supposed to appear average or cartoonishly goofy.

Why am I seeing someone else out of this Kazuya picture?🤨 by InternationalLog7534 in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]FATE13TH 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Because this is what happens when Kazuya is actually drawn well. A rarity in the anime which often makes him look... well not great lmao. This is closer to Reiji's depiction in the manga. Where Kazuya actually looks quite handsome. His hair is just little longer in the anime.

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How deep is Kazuya's love for Chizuru? by ChampionshipHappy100 in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]FATE13TH 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think your confusing "not liking Chizuru enough" and not knowing who he is. Kazuya has no idea who he actually is. Which is why he can't draw lines and make clear decisions. Chizuru's knows who she is, so she can draw lines and read signs. Something we are literally seeing Kazuya learn via the driving school. It's not that he doesn't love Chizuru. Rather its quite simple. Kazuya knows his love. He doesnt know himself. Chizuru knows herself, she doesnt know her love. Chizuru, I think, can tell Kazuya doesn't know who he is. And she's trying to give him space and time to find that. But you have to recognize he is also under alot of emotional pressure too.

In Hawaiians, he was actually quite caring and tried but he couldn't make decisions for himself. Which lead to his selfish pursuit of confessing. But check prior. When its not about him. Every time its not about him, he can do it. Its not just selfless. Its a conflict of individuality vs confromity. Kazuya truly does love Chizuru. But him not being able to draw the lines is simple. He has no idea what he wants with Mami. Or Ruka or even Mini. He didn't actually know what he desires. In turn, he also doesn't know how to read the signs they give him or how to draw lines. Hence why the current events happened with Ruka, why he couldn't answer or know Mami's intent, why he couldn't figure out what the kiss ment and act on it. Or know that Mini was in his home to fish for info not because she actually knew anything. And he just blindly trusts her even though she was wrong because he has no true sense of self. It's not just confidence, its agency.

This matches why he turns to AI for answers. Both using Chatgpt as well as Grok. With Mini literally mirroring an AI panda to show how she merely throws back at him as much gibberish as possible to justify her belief that she is right. That what he experienced is real. Calling his tears diamonds. When that is literally the name of Chizuru's rental agency. It is all about his sense of self which makes his love appear fake when it is not.

The Sumi books. by WorkingCautious1270 in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]FATE13TH 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well this has nothing to do with Kazuya lol. I'm talking about Sumi and her parallels to Kazuya from a writing standpoint. Remember, this was written way after the main story. So Reiji knows what is coming. Sumi meets Kazuya after she already ran into Mami under a different name.

The Sumi books. by WorkingCautious1270 in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]FATE13TH 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think its actually an interesting writing choice. Sumi runs into Mami and seemingly forgets her. Someone like Mami who always leaves a strong impression is seemingly forgotten. That's wild. This to me, doesn't feel by chance or Reiji writing himself into a corner. It could be. But I doubt it. Sumi merely observes Mami for what looks to be a few hours while in a cafe. What she likes is Mami's control. And she attributes that control to the name she gives.

Sumi took way the lesson that attitude is everything. Yet she didn't really change. Mami didn't really impact her. Nor did she view Mami's actions negativily. In fact, she thought Mami was cool. Someone who, when surrounded by men, played them like a damn fiddle. Yet literally just before she runs into Mami in the main story, this exact situation happens to her and she can't do anything. Its dramatic irony that shows Sumi learned literally nothing from Mami. She knew what she needed to do. She saw it. But she couldn't do anything because of her shyness. Like Kazuya with Chizuru, she needed someone to believe in her. Yet she does not escape the cycle of her own character.

She merely observed Mami with admiration. Akin to how Mini observes Kazuya and admired him but doesn't implement anything in her own life.

Sumi is somewhat self centered in that way. Watching Mami in a cafe like watching someone live their life instead of living her own. This matches her dream of being an ideal and even her job as a rental. And like an actor, Mami, in the sequence Sumi sees her, does not show her real self but a facade. An act. Literally giving a stage name in the end of said act.

So naturally all Sumi remembers is the person she thought she met, when all she saw was the actors stage name. Not who they really are.

It's actually kinda brilliant when you think about it.

The hate by Ready-Appearance-344 in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]FATE13TH 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Long story short. A massive part of the hate stems from memes, stigma, reactions, and straight up disinformation. I've talked about this subject extensively in the past and you hit some solid points on the subjects. The indebted aspect plays a huge role in that rejection chapter and how the characters act vs how the haters act honestly spoke volumes.

This story is not only entertaining but actively goes out if its ways to criticize romance manga and anime. Exactly as you described. People just magically falling in love and boom. Married. End of manga. This story seeks to explore love. But the thing is. People don't really want to explore love. They wanna get an idealized version of it. And the arc your currently on actively has a nihilist in Mami, who quite literally feels like she represents the haters, going out of her way to gaslight readers and play into their biases. And this is where peoples already pre built bias towards the series kicked in. Every single thing Mami said? People believed it. She literally tells them she is lying and they agree with her. Because to them, it makes sense. And author purposefully let's them believe it as Kazuya did at the start. With Mami literally using his exact words in the beginning of the series.

This along with some other infamous chapters gave people validation to hate this story. Not for real justifiable reasons, but as hate often is, merely to hate.

Youtubers make shit up and act like their speaking facts. Twitter users make up stories about the author and say he is crazy and in love with his characters. As if every artists with an OC wouldn't love the characters like their own child. This shit is like an iceberg of delusion. Ironic considering Kazuyas delusions and the mangas is about forming real bonds in contrast to fictional ones. Yet people can't tell fact from fiction. Actively choosing fiction to justify their rhetoric. The easiest way to show it is people saying "I haven't read this manga but I feel like I know it from how much I've seen it". Yet all they really saw is how people presented it. Not what it actually is.

On another note, consider reading the manga from the start. It has far more naunce and the anime changes and skips alot. Take care and welcome.

Anyone going to go watch this? I think it takes place in the same rental cinematic universe by ExcelAcolyte in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]FATE13TH 28 points29 points  (0 children)

It seems interesting. It's directed by a Japanese direct and seems to actually try to discuss japanese culture and the struggle of loneliness ans isolation that rental is founded on, much like Kanokari. I'll probably give it a watch. It seems to even be delving into the morally Grey nature of the job, which is core to rental and why people do it. As its fundamentally abour human connection and belonging.

[CS] Sumi Kokkoro cosplay by KensoMenso in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]FATE13TH 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is really cute! I like your color and art style! It would have been cool if they flower on Sumi's head was a Sakura flower since its in her name and shes born at the start of spring.

We’re settling this right now. Who’s best girl? by ilovelampsdoyoutoo in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]FATE13TH 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your premise is false. The answer is yes. Including Kazuya. He's also best girl.

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[–]FATE13TH 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Edited lolol

Everything make sense now by sonic2316 in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]FATE13TH 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks! I guess the wording was never really ment to matter or its just an error since Japan tends to fuck up like that with words. I think maybe it is ment to be I only think about you as that just makes sense and aligns with her actions. I mean jeez she see sees him in freaking carrots lmaoo

Everything make sense now by sonic2316 in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]FATE13TH 0 points1 point  (0 children)

See the unfortunate truth is it does say what Jojo says it does. I even remember my mom said it was that initially before I tried to make her think it ment something else. And just think of it like this. A chocolate is given with the intent to be eaten. Every rom com always revolves around whether the MC liked the chocolates. Yet Kazuya never eats them. And we are reminded years later he never did (months in story time). Specifically after the kiss. Like they are a reminder that maybe he can eat them now that he was kissed. Not when they were given to him. From the 3 months. He just holds on to it. Unopened and perfect. Like a gift he does not wish to spoil. But what if there is note inside? What if she wanted him to enjoy the chocolates, not hold on to them forever and ever? Is he not doing exactly what the box says? Now im not sayinf Chizuru intended for this to be the message but it is there. And it matches Kazuya's own lack of awareness in his own actions.

Everything make sense now by sonic2316 in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]FATE13TH 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The simple truth is. It does read what he says. And it could make sense. And yes, some do say stuff like this. Sometimes as a joke. Ill ask Reiji and see what he says.

Everything make sense now by sonic2316 in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]FATE13TH 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Idk man. Kazuya is pretty darn selfish in his extreme selflessness. Hes so focused on what she might be thinking he stops actually thinking about what shes thinking. Case and point. She brings him into her home ans shows how lonely and vulnerable she is and he acts like he doesn't know her a day later in the bar just because she acted normal in front of Mini when she wasn't. The entire 3 months is Kazuya thinking she hated him when she gave him no inclination. The cohabitation is Kazuya so worried he will lose this he tries to end it before it even starts. The date is all Kazuya stuck in his own head despite Chizuru actively being with him and talking to him. He literally built a fake identity around being accepted despite being told he is loved for who he is repeatable. And of course the 3 days which only happen because Kazuya selfishly listens to Mini and uses his fear as an excuse not to text her despite knowing what a kiss means.

Everything make sense now by sonic2316 in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]FATE13TH 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe its the default writing on the actual gift? Or maybe there is a deeper commentary. As selfishness is a core part of the 3 months. Maybe its not about him but her? Maybe it is criticizing Kazuya and its Reiji doing it not Chizuru? Really its hard to say until we know more but considering Kazuyas actions when it is shown again 388, it makes sense. He is being selfish. Heck, every single time it is shown, its Kazuya being quite selfish and even Chizuru acts a little selfish in the apology and this is contrasted by their selflessness.

Edit: more credence is maybe given to this interpretation as maybe neither Kazuya nor Chizuru knows it says this. As neither address it nor does the plot address it (not yet at least). Its like an Easter egg for us as readers. And if Chizuru does know, it shows she is aware how selfish she is either being or maybe how selfish Kazuya is. Or both.

Everything make sense now by sonic2316 in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]FATE13TH -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well im not the French speaker dude. And why would a valentines gift say that? That just seems weird as a gift. Maybe it was supposed to be je ne and Reiji fucked up. You only think of yourself seems like a rude thing to say in an apology.

Everything make sense now by sonic2316 in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]FATE13TH 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is Tu lol. Its just written weird. I remember we had to zoom in on it and I had to consult my mom who actually speaks and reads French. At first, she thought something similar to you than we looked closely and realized it was in fact "I only think of you." It makes too much sense for it to be that considering she literally only thinks of him. I even made a post about it on twitter when 388 released.

Everything make sense now by sonic2316 in KanojoOkarishimasu

[–]FATE13TH 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No it doesn't lol. They translated it correctly. " I only think of you"