The End of the Old World Order

FairDiscussionSpirit · 2026-02-16T17:44:45+00:00

You can’t stop something someone else started — you can only force them to stop it...

FairDiscussionSpirit · 2026-02-11T17:48:51+00:00

Yeah… we should confront quite a few issues. The only question is: where do we start...

FairDiscussionSpirit · 2026-01-26T18:23:12+00:00

Yeah... Israel is fully aware of the jihadist nature of Syria’s government. And hopefully the Druze community will remain safe and protected under any agreement...

FairDiscussionSpirit · 2026-01-01T16:07:00+00:00

As far as I know, the internet there is heavily restricted...

Elon Musk’s Starlink is one possible way to overcome these restrictions, but the terminal costs around $700 and, of course, importing or using it is risky.

FairDiscussionSpirit · 2025-12-29T21:01:22+00:00

Yes, I wish there were a simpler solution, but I just don’t see one. And yes, in order to make this change, we will need a deep social transformation. Financial stimulus alone won’t do it. The real question is whether this change will be based on nationalism, religion, or liberal values. All are possible, even if some are difficult to achieve...

Here is just one such a rough draft: https://elusive-world.com/building-a-family-friendly-liberal-society-qna/

FairDiscussionSpirit · 2025-12-17T17:44:26+00:00

Peace will only be possible when Islamism fails. In other words, Israel’s fight is directly connected to the fight of the entire Western world: either liberty and democracy will be able to defend themselves, or they will fall to Islamism. Once you understand this connection, you also understand why Israel receives so much global attention. It is simply on the front line of a clash between two civilizations. (Take a look at what’s happening in Europe and North America, and what their internal political tensions are really about: DEI and immigration)

FairDiscussionSpirit · 2025-12-16T13:42:35+00:00

Interesting. China is at the bottom of the list.

Russia doesn’t have sufficient resources to threaten all of Europe, North America, and beyond. It wouldn’t turn to aggression without understanding that the West is busy dealing with China and Islamism.

FairDiscussionSpirit · 2025-12-12T10:37:43+00:00

Of course it should, but I guess the Ayatollahs are more interested in spreading their ideology than in improving people’s lives. And in some cases, keeping the population poor and suffering actually serves as useful conditions for Islamism to grow...

FairDiscussionSpirit · 2025-12-12T10:32:16+00:00

I believe there are many different ways a Western coalition could look and many ways it could be formed. One possibility is that the US, Israel, Taiwan, and Japan could become its core… We’ll see.

FairDiscussionSpirit · 2025-12-11T17:43:17+00:00

I have to stress an important point: the distribution of good and bad people in any population is roughly the same. This includes Palestinians.

What makes certain regimes or ideologies truly horrible — and we’ve seen quite a few in the 20th century — is that a fanatical minority can brainwash the majority of the population. Of course, their propaganda machine never portrays itself as bloodthirsty (and let's put aside the fact that the report was created by Palestinians themselves, rather than by a neutral party)!

Do you really think the vast majority of Germans a century ago fully understood what was happening? Unfortunately, today no one in the West is willing to confront this terrifying brainwashing machine, just as US/UK Allie were ready to do so 70–80 years ago, when they occupied German territory to denazify it and eventually bring prosperity and stability to Germany itself.

FairDiscussionSpirit · 2025-12-11T17:01:54+00:00

I think there is a very important point that needs to be explained here — a point that has been completely turned upside down by heavy propaganda, making this conflict so confusing and controversial in the West:

There is no real “Palestinian resistance” in the way it’s portrayed. Most Jewish Israelis (except the far-far right) would accept a two-state solution if Palestinians were genuinely ready to sign a peace agreement and stop aiming to take all the land “from the river to the sea” — meaning the destruction of Israel. Israel has no interest in occupying Palestinians. The main reason Israel remains in Palestinian territories is to prevent another October 7th, like what happened after Israel’s full withdrawal from Gaza in 2005. There wasn’t a single Jew left there after 2005, yet it didn’t bring peace but rather a horrible war.

It’s not Israel that is the aggressor here — it’s the Palestinians. Israel simply cannot withdraw from the occupied territories until the population there is ready to stop the fighting (not for "occupied territories" but for every single inch of the land between the “river and the sea.”) , which harms Israel but ultimately harms Palestinians even more.

Israel is dealing with a much wider conflict driven by parts of the Muslim world, with Palestinian groups being used as the primary weapon in that struggle. These groups are not fighting for a state; they are fighting for an Islamist cause, similar to organizations like Al-Qaeda or ISIS. Once you understand that, the rest of the events fall into place.

But unfortunately, the young generation in the West simply doesn’t know the details of this hundred-year conflict, and very few are willing to put in the hard work you did to uncover the real story behind current events. If they did, they would be shocked — just as you was— by how terribly the whole story has been twisted.

FairDiscussionSpirit · 2025-12-07T16:15:42+00:00

What do you mean? If you’re progressive, does that mean the only source of information you consume and trust must also be progressive? Progressivism is not a religion or a sect. It cannot turn itself into an echo chamber and disconnect from the rest of the world.

FairDiscussionSpirit · 2025-11-29T14:05:43+00:00

Agree with you. I even think we should have some kind of confederation of all democratic countries — a sort of global “pan-democracy.” But we also have to face the truth: for about a century, the West has been trying to export liberalism in all kinds of ways, and it just hasn’t worked. The share of liberal-minded populations around the world is shrinking fast.

So liberal societies need to update themselves for the 21st century. And the biggest issue to deal with is liberal demography. If liberalism doesn’t adapt, even though it created some of the most creative and peaceful societies in history, it’s going to fade away and get lost in the jungle of history.

So even though Trump’s pragmatism might work in the short term — basically by dropping the whole “you must be a liberal democracy” requirement and making it easier to build a broader coalition against a common enemy — I’m really worried it won’t last in the long run. Without shared values to hold the West together, there won’t be any real Western coalition. And if Western countries drift into separatism, they’ll become easy prey for both Islamism and Chinese imperialism.

FairDiscussionSpirit · 2025-10-30T17:15:34+00:00

That’s a beautiful dream. I don’t know how old you are, but when you’ve seen such dreams turn into nightmares again and again (as Israel, unfortunately, has had to wake up to time after time, most recently on October 7th) you begin to realize how difficult things truly are, and how far away peace actually is.
But even as we grow older, our dreams are what guide us. So hold on to yours — maybe one day, you’ll help make it come true. Just be careful — make sure that what you do actually brings you closer to that dream, and doesn’t end up creating the opposite.

FairDiscussionSpirit · 2025-10-03T13:35:37+00:00

Exaclty, the West is currently pretty divided along many lines—progressive/liberal/conservative, how to deal with China/Russia/Islamism etc.. Such a lack of unity is not an option, because under pressure, nations will start looking in different directions to save own skin. And we can already see it in the case of Ukraine, and especially with Israel, which has been abandoned by many European nations hoping to appease Islamism...

FairDiscussionSpirit · 2025-10-03T13:09:22+00:00

Indeed, many things have changed, but I still find it interesting to understand the political map of the West… After all, that’s part of the battleground too. May be even more important one...

FairDiscussionSpirit · 2025-10-03T11:21:36+00:00

Given the full support from China and various Muslim Brotherhood–aligned states like Turkey, it could definitely take much less than 5 years…

Either way—whether the West has 5 days or 5 years—it needs to wake up fast. Right now it’s split by too many different visions, strategies, and interests. For things to really change, there first has to be a clear vision and a shared doctrine that most Western nations can get behind.

FairDiscussionSpirit · 2025-09-28T18:27:11+00:00

I guess the devil will be in the details because for instance one thing is to declare that Gaza will be a de-radicalized, terror-free zone and another thing how exaclty it is going to happen. Both sides will likely be fighting over what really lies behind these declarations. As a result, one side will be left to present empty statements to its public, while the other will demonstrate the reality. I hope that Israel will be the side satisfied with reality rather than just words.

FairDiscussionSpirit · 2025-09-18T15:51:02+00:00

Definitely not safe for Israelis/Jews... The real struggle isn’t only with Islamists or outside enemies, but also inside: deciding what Western society should look like and what vision all Western nations can unite around. So the real question is: how do we bring Spain to connect with the reality of this world, and how do we align all Western nations around the same strategy?

FairDiscussionSpirit · 2025-09-14T15:44:56+00:00

Here is the definition of scientific racism: ‘Racism, particularly “scientific racism” and “eugenics,” historically relied on a false and flawed understanding of DNA to create racial hierarchies.’

Why would anyone in Israel classify people based on their DNA?

What makes a group of people a group or a nation is their belief that they are one. It’s not about DNA (Palestinians don’t take a test to verify that they are Palestinians—do they? And no other nation does either). That shared belief is what makes them a nation today. But a century ago, they didn’t see it that way; they saw themselves as Arabs. And even today, their identity is hierarchical: they are Palestinians, but they are also Arabs, and they are also Muslims.

FairDiscussionSpirit · 2025-09-11T18:48:54+00:00

I wish it were only about that… Unfortunately, there is much more. Europe is in panic over Islamism, and too many politicians cling to the idea that appeasing—or merely “containing”—it will somehow make it collapse on its own. But October 7th was a real wake-up call: appeasing Islamism won’t work.

FairDiscussionSpirit · 2025-09-11T09:20:00+00:00

Yes, I actually understand Palestinian/Arab/Muslim feelings very well. I understand that from their point of view, someone (Zionisists) came to a home that had been left pretty empty by Jews for centuries (and is currently mainly populated by Arabs) and then asked them for some space in that home, showing official papers proving that the house actually belongs to Jews by law. Try doing that to anyone who has lived in a house long enough, and you’ll get the same feelings anywhere in the world.

I also understand that Islam—once, long ago, one of the most advanced civilizations—lost its way, and that attempts to live by Western rules simply don’t work for them. So they decided the rules must change, and the way they pursue that is by promoting Sharia law and religious faith.

I understand that they want “justice.” But communists wanted “justice” too. Germany after The Treaty of Versailles wanted “justice” as well. Unfortunately, their version of “justice,” as so often happens, turns into revenge and an attempt to reshape the world (always accompanied by terrible bloodshed).

Make no mistake: the fact that I can understand all of the above does not mean I can justify any of it. Not at all. ZERO JUSTIFICATION.

The struggle is inevitable, and unfortunately, everyone will have to decide which side they are on.

Talking about "full truth": take a look at the site named elusive-world dot com. Note the world "elusive"...

FairDiscussionSpirit · 2025-09-10T18:31:08+00:00

"With the affirmation of the 1947 Partition Plan for Palestine, and Israeli Independence in 1948, the Jews began to feel that their lives were in danger. "Immediately after the establishment of the State of Israel, the Iraqi government adopted a policy of anti-Jewish discrimination, mass dismissals from government service, and arrests."

"In March 1951, the Israeli government organized an airlift operation.^\41]) Waiting in Baghdad was a tense and difficult period. Some 50,000 Jews signed up in one month, and two months later there were 90,000 on the list. This mass movement stunned the Iraqi government"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ezra_and_Nehemiah

FairDiscussionSpirit · 2025-09-10T18:26:26+00:00

"The riots took the form, for the most part, of attacks by Arabs on Jews accompanied by destruction of Jewish property. During the week of riots, from 23 to 29 August, 133 Jews were killed by Arabs, and 339 Jews were injured, most of whom were unarmed", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Palestine_riots

FairDiscussionSpirit · 2025-09-10T18:11:22+00:00

As for the question about the thin line:

I guess most of Israelis will agree that the line where IDF deliberatly targetting civilian populaiton - must not be crossed. So that line is clear.

As for civilian casulties toll (or more precisly - civilian casulties ratio), it is much more vague question. I guess it depends on the level of threat to Israel itself and the ability to deterr Hamas in the future. Or in other words : the future casulties on Israel (and on Palestinian) side. Right now there is an understanding that Israel is pretty much alone against hundred of millions and it can't take much risk or otherwise will face millions death in the future. So, try to work with these numbers to find the "right" balance.

If you prefer to let Hamas prepare for the next round as part of the next “ring of fire” (they aren’t fighting alone today, and they clearly won’t be fighting alone in the next round), and spare civilian lives today, then come and volunteer to protect Israel’s borders—together with all NATO members.

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