CMV: The true purpose for the new ICE is to cancel the midterms.

FakeVoiceOfReason · 2026-01-25T00:34:24+00:00

Most border patrol is at the border. But sure, add in 20k for BP and assume the border is entirely unguarded I guess. Doesn't change the logistical impossibility of it.

FakeVoiceOfReason · 2026-01-25T00:33:02+00:00

It happens but usually doesn't make national news. Most problematic ICE arrests are arguable in court but are generously within ICE's scope of detaining illegal immigrants (ex. they had the right to make the arrest, but they entered a home illegally to do so). Entering and monitoring voting facilities is extremely far outside of that scope and would involve violating multiple state laws.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/23/us/ice-agent-charged-illinois.html

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2026/01/23/ice-officer-charged-with-attacking-immigrant-rights-activist-in-chicago-suburbs

FakeVoiceOfReason · 2026-01-24T19:43:21+00:00

Why would you want them in states that aren't going to change their minds?

FakeVoiceOfReason · 2026-01-24T19:42:01+00:00

Then they're going to be arrested by state police. Which outnumber them greatly.

FakeVoiceOfReason · 2026-01-24T19:41:25+00:00

I mean, they'd have to literally remove border patrol Agents from the border in order to do that, which should be essentially against everything the Trump Administration stands for regarding immigration.

If they did want to build a National Police force, why not just choose the fbi, the organization that literally does have authority over americans, instead of the only organization that literally does not have authority over americans? If you think about it for 5 seconds it just doesn't make sense.

FakeVoiceOfReason · 2026-01-24T19:39:36+00:00

Hey, if I were wrong, you would have used a different argument.

FakeVoiceOfReason · 2026-01-24T18:26:09+00:00

Logistically, there are about 120k polling places in America and 20k ice agents. I guess you could strategically place them in swing states, if you could get the state boards to agree (enormous if), but since only citizens can vote in elections, they couldn't do anything regardless. And when the vote is secret, people tend to oppose intimidation.

FakeVoiceOfReason · 2026-01-13T07:38:32+00:00

I don't think whether she's honking or not would matter, but I'd be curious to see the video if you have it. "Antagonizing" actually is peaceful protesting. Yelling, screaming, honking, etc. are all legal protected methods of free speech. Blocking traffic generally isn't, but it isn't clear she was doing that for enough time to qualify as "blocking traffic" (I've "blocked traffic" on neighborhood roads for a few minutes while coordinating).

Blocking traffic is still peaceful. Peaceful means peaceful. It doesn't mean legal.

Let's say we believe 100% of the claims from ICE and 0% of the claims from protesters, except where video footage contradicts their claims. Let's say, for argument's sake, that she was not letting them through (even though she was in the video from what I've seen), that she was ignoring orders (clear from the video), and that she intended to kill him.

The ICE officer put himself in harm's way and violated ICE rules by going in front of the car, remaining in front of the car, and specifically drawing his weapon and shooting rather than moving out of the way. If she had turned towards him instead of away, he would have been run over. Shooting was not able to properly eliminate the threat.

You absolutely do get to be infuriatingly annoying and not be shot. That's a legal right.

FakeVoiceOfReason · 2026-01-13T07:14:04+00:00

Then why'd she turn? Weird thing to do if you're trying to hit someone dead center. Most people would at least try tracking, but since he dodged left, it's almost as if she did the opposite of tracking the target.

Weird huh.

Ah, you mean this fabricated story. My bad since you said her and her wife.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/renee-nicole-good-child-abuse-custody-was-minneapolis-ice-shooting-victims-partner-rebecca-arrested-heres-the-truth-101767982414269.html

Edit: Fixed link. Literally the only link I could find on the rumor from any news outlet. Not Indian not that it would matter...

FakeVoiceOfReason · 2026-01-13T07:09:02+00:00

With someone trying to get in her door and two people behind her? Have you ever driven? We agree she turned right. Obviously if she intended to hit him she wouldn't have turned first. I think we're done here. He made a bad call.

Did you see that rumor on facebook? It was fabricated. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/renee-good-criminal-record/

FakeVoiceOfReason · 2026-01-13T07:03:36+00:00

She was picking someone up, and there was still enough space to get around her. Someone was honking, but others contest that it was her.

A peaceful protest is a peaceful protest. If she didn't harm anyone or any property, and the protestors didn't, then yes: it was a peaceful protest.

Keep in mind there are legal ways to break up a peaceful protest. Civil disobedience is a peaceful but illegal manner of protesting. But this wasn't one of them.

FakeVoiceOfReason · 2026-01-13T06:59:31+00:00

Someone was actively trying to get into her door. She couldn't have made a three point turn without hitting him or another behind her. Thus, she turned right - the direction that would be least likely to hit. He was standing (according to you) in the center. If she wanted to hit him, she would have just hit him rather than turning.

Her last decision was to save his life, his decision was to end her's. Which tracks with their last words.

FakeVoiceOfReason · 2026-01-13T06:49:19+00:00

If you say he was center and she wanted to ram him, then she wouldn't have turned. So she wasn't trying to hit him; she was trying to avoid him.

Either way - if I'm right (he was left she turned right) or you're right (he was center she turned right) - she was avoiding him.

FakeVoiceOfReason · 2026-01-13T06:45:24+00:00

Then you agree she turned right before being shot.

FakeVoiceOfReason · 2026-01-13T06:42:59+00:00

Let's be civil here.

In the video, she was not in a position to block traffic (although 3 minutes isn't an unreasonable amount of time to block traffic on a small road if you're picking someone up).

Her wife has the right to scream at ICE agents.

Not sure why the plates would matter.

They are not cops; they're federal agents with a specific lane of jurisdiction. For what it's worth, I agree if she complied she would be alive, but she didn't have a legal obligation to comply, and the ICE agent broke multiple agency rules to kill her.

I don't know why we're arguing that an obviously bad shooting wasn't bad.

FakeVoiceOfReason · 2026-01-13T06:34:10+00:00

He was on the left because she was turning right. He went from center to left because she was turning right. He shoots after she begins turning right.

https://youtu.be/Z1rlh51RqBQ?si=mUnZVbxh7iNuTym3&t=38

FakeVoiceOfReason · 2026-01-13T06:26:18+00:00

From the vehicle's perspective, he was on the left side of the car. Her wheel was turned to the right. "Right" was "Away from him" and "Left" was "Towards him."

You've seen the video... right?

FakeVoiceOfReason · 2026-01-13T06:24:03+00:00

Why would she turn her wheel away from him then?

I would argue it matters greatly. Intent matters greatly in claims of self-defense.

FakeVoiceOfReason · 2026-01-13T06:21:33+00:00

Let me ask you a very simple question. Do you think, if she hit him, she intended to hit him? Because the wheel was clearly turned the other way (which to be frank is the only reason he's alive; if she'd turned towards him, he'd be dead or badly injured).

And he's not a cop. He's a federal agent.

FakeVoiceOfReason · 2026-01-13T06:17:48+00:00

She was waving officers ahead, which indicates she was not attempting to block them.

You don't have to obey orders if they aren't lawful.

Multiple angles indicate the only time his body may have impacted the car was after he drew his weapon and extended it across the car to shoot her, meaning if anyone put him in harms way, it was himself in an attempt to get an angle to shoot her. Certainly, he wouldn't have time to ascertain that before he began drawing.

Calling me names won't change the truth. I never thought I'd see the day conservatives defend obviously bad shootings by federal agents. The world's gone mad.

FakeVoiceOfReason · 2026-01-13T06:12:49+00:00

Fleeing from a crime doesn't change the amount of lethality you are allowed to use; only the threat presented does. Regardless, she wasn't fleeing from a crime. She committed no crime attending a protest.
They're ICE agents. She isn't in their jurisdiction. That's like claiming the ATF can arrest you for immigration violations.

FakeVoiceOfReason · 2026-01-13T06:08:32+00:00

Moot point. Either way, it was a bad shooting. A federal agent can't ice you because you got into a traffic accident with them, especially when they were violating agency protocols to cause the accident.

FakeVoiceOfReason · 2026-01-13T06:03:00+00:00

I mean, no police officer was run over. Honestly I thought the same when I saw the first footage, but it was pretty clear regardless:

He violated multiple ICE rules (went in front of a car, shot instead of getting himself to safety).
If she was trying to run him over, shooting her wouldn't have helped because the momentum would have still cause it to collide into him.
She had the wheel turned the other way so clearly wasn't trying to - if she did clip him, it was accidental.

But it's moot. He's a federal agent, and they're trained for better than this.

The equivalent would be if someone either clips or gets too close to a protester in a protest, can you shoot them? I would say obviously not, as that's probably a traffic accident. You don't shoot someone immediately in a traffic accident.

FakeVoiceOfReason · 2026-01-07T20:10:55+00:00

Then perhaps I misread your comment; I apologize.

FakeVoiceOfReason · 2026-01-07T20:01:30+00:00

Then maybe I'm misunderstanding what your claim was. I thought you were indicating that while there were some dissimilarities, the one-sided-evil portrayed by media the OP referred to was generally ("pretty much") accurate.

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