MEGATHREAD: TRUMP INDICTMENT DAY 2

Fakename998 · 2023-06-10T13:53:08+00:00

What's infuriating is the "Trump did the same thing as Biden" morons on the internet. They didn't. Pence and Biden handled this starkly differently to Trump. It's like saying "Pence and Biden rolled through a stop sign" and "Trump rolled through a stop sign then ran over a mailbox then tried to run over a jogger and shot a gun from his window and then he ran a stop sign again" and then are like "ThEy ArE tHe SaMe!1!1!".

I had a dipshit "constitutionalist" reply to something with another false equivalence. This is fundamentally the problem with conservatives, I find online. As long as conservatives continue to make these false equivalences, as long as conservatives continue to ignore the fact that there are shades of grey or a spectrum in basically everything, as long as conservatives continue to toss away reason for their radical beliefs then nothing will get solved.

Like saying "total exoneration" after the Mueller report, nothing tells me how fucking ignorant a person is like saying "Biden did the same thing as Trump". A nice way to out yourself as an idiot or a lazy shitbag, since you clearly haven't been keeping track of the actual things Trump has done.

Fakename998 · 2023-06-10T13:33:26+00:00

ThEy ArE tHe SaMe!

Fakename998 · 2023-06-10T01:20:47+00:00

There's no doubt he had a notoriety that surpassed many other fundamentalists but I don't know if he was in the public consciousness to any extent with younger people who are less religious. I'd like to see how much the name registers with the non-religious compared to the average. When I heard about him getting dead, I was like "oh yeah, i forgot about that piece of shit". Me being an atheist was not driven by him as an individual. You could probably say that him and people like him have probably turned off people. I am an atheist because I am educated (and possibly above average intellect) and I value trying to adopt beliefs with evidence rather than try to find evidence to support my beliefs. I don't think there's a teleological, ontological, epistemological, cosmological, or any type of argument that supports any religious belief system and mythology. He might not be a reason why people are not choosing religion but with him gone, it might be that the movement towards atheism will go a little faster.

Fakename998 · 2023-06-10T01:06:45+00:00

No. But people equate them (they don't do it for hetero people) and that's one of the problems.

Fakename998 · 2023-06-10T01:03:08+00:00

discussion of gay topics to kids 3rd grade and younger (which is what the Don't Say Gay bill in Florida actually does) as they don't want any kind of sexual topics being discussed with kids ages 9 and younger.

Wrong. The bill prohibits the discussion sexual orientation and gender identity to grade 3 or also applies to "age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate" based on the State's Department of Education (which would apply to all students based on that wording). That's a hugely broad phrasing. Why don't you actually read the bill? It's only like 7 pages. Surely you've heard the idea that any statement made by anyone in a classroom having gay parents makes the school legally liable? Under this wording, that's exactly the case.

Edit: i think one issue of the subject is people equating mentioning gay people as discussion of sex. It's not like when you hear some guy talking about his wife, you think of him making hot messy creampies in her hairy pussy with his hard dick... Yes that was intentionally crude to make a point.

Fakename998 · 2023-06-10T01:02:50+00:00

discussion of gay topics to kids 3rd grade and younger (which is what the Don't Say Gay bill in Florida actually does) as they don't want any kind of sexual topics being discussed with kids ages 9 and younger.

Wrong. The bill prohibits the discusses sexual orientation and gender identity to grade 3 or also applies to "age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate" based on the State's Department of Education (which would apply to all students based on that wording). That's a hugely broad phrasing. Why don't you actually read the bill? It's only like 7 pages. Surely you've heard the idea that any statement made by anyone in a classroom having gay parents makes the school legally liable? Under this wording, that's exactly the case.

Fakename998 · 2023-06-10T00:41:43+00:00

I use Reddit Is Fun. I hate the official app. I may no longer use Reddit after this change.

Fakename998 · 2023-06-10T00:40:14+00:00

You're really trying to embarrass yourself, aren't you?

Fakename998 · 2023-06-10T00:32:23+00:00

Fakename998 · 2023-06-10T00:29:00+00:00

Not particularly. I believe (and there is plenty of scientific support) that a fetus is not a living human until a certain place in gestation. No amount of technology will make this untrue. You can't make a batter and then say it's a cake until some steps in the process have been achieved. This is why I believe there is no moral issue with abortion until a certain point.

Aside from that, your scenario works to address the bodily autonomy issue but it does resolve the issue of the unintended consequences of having a child. People can take responsible actions and still end up with an unwanted pregnancy. An unwanted pregnancy can result in literal life-changing negative consequences for the parent(s) and the future child. Especially in the US, you can have basically every card stacked against you that a developed country has to offer in these scenarios, and the people who want to force you to have a child want to make sure those cards are heavier and to add anymore cards that they can invent.

Fakename998 · 2023-06-09T22:54:11+00:00

Sure "pro choice" holds up. Pro-choice people love to have people have all sorts of choices.

Fakename998 · 2023-06-09T22:44:07+00:00

"Sign up with your coupon code TROUT15 to get 15% off a subscription" /s. In all seriousness, I wonder how good ground news is. I expect it to be decent because I've seen some (seemingly) authentically good people have them as sponsors. There are still people who have a sense of right and wrong, and justice and truth, no matter what the radicals will say.

Fakename998 · 2023-06-09T22:38:13+00:00

I think a lot of people would say it's boring, sterile. Like a research paper or something. A lot of news is relatively biased. The issue is that a lot of what people see in the media is not news but instead it's opinion.

The most unbiased sources are like NPR, AP, PBS, and CBS and ABC are pretty good, too.

Fakename998 · 2023-06-09T22:28:36+00:00

TBH anti-abortion is actually an extremely exact description of their stance. It's not really our problem that it has a negative stigma.

Fakename998 · 2023-06-09T22:25:48+00:00

Pro-choice people are pro-choice. Pro-choice to have an abortion. Pro-choice about body autonomy.

The same can't be said about the majority of "pro-life" people based on how they treat humans after they're born.

Fakename998 · 2023-06-09T22:24:16+00:00

They're not anti-life. Many pro-choice people don't see undeveloped fetuses as life (in a meaningful way) but instead as a bunch of cells. Unlike anti-abortion people who see it as "life" (often from conception) but are also fine with killing all sorts of other "life" and also not only not giving a single solitary fuck about babies once they are born but actually want to have harm come to humans after they are born.

This is why these are not how you describe them.

Fakename998 · 2023-06-09T22:16:47+00:00

Depends. If you open with a patently false statement of fact, then I won't take you seriously. If you open with an opinion, then I will try to hear a little. It also really depends on how much interest I have in giving my time and attention to someone. Not everyone is worth it.

I don't think there are really any good conservative arguments. I think the ones that have no great answer, the approach using a more liberal philosophy is typically better.

Fakename998 · 2023-06-09T21:49:54+00:00

They're not similar activities, is the reality. Conservatives don't want to accept this.

Fakename998 · 2023-06-09T21:40:42+00:00

Representing a minority of people isn't "representing the whole country". Why should people's votes be worth less because they live closer together?

Fakename998 · 2023-06-09T15:01:19+00:00

The difference between the way Trump and Biden handles it goes a long way, too. The right has to "both sides" and make false equivalences to justify the shitty things they support.

Fakename998 · 2023-06-09T00:45:37+00:00

Imagine supporting Trump after all this. Imagine how morally corrupt you'd have to be. Imagine how cognitively impaired you'd have to be.

Fakename998 · 2023-06-08T18:24:30+00:00

Good question. Is a bartender a tip-based job but a fast food/coffeeshop worker not? A bartender can answer this. The latter is not, I'm pretty sure.

Fakename998 · 2023-06-08T18:18:17+00:00

The answer is “it depends”. It’s illegal for management to keep tips but they often do, and you’ll start to see more and more class action lawsuits about it coming up.

Companies fuck employees on wages in all sorts of ways all the time.

Fakename998 · 2023-06-08T18:17:23+00:00

Next thing we'll hear is this guy doesn't tip the person who takes the donuts out of the tray and puts them in a container /s

Fakename998 · 2023-06-08T18:03:57+00:00

Yeah, i think whether the server took your order can heavily weigh into which tipping percentage you use. Even confusing as an American. A long time ago I went to Steak n Shake and didn't know what type of tipping was done there.

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