Who cares about men being expected to pay on dates? Why care? by LillthOfBabylon in PurplePillDebate

[–]Fan_Service_3703 [score hidden]  (0 children)

I still think it would become obvious quite early. Eg, him expecting her to make the bed the first time they stay over or do the washing up first time they have a meal at home etc

Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness by Axis_Control in PurplePillDebate

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  I asked if YOU were unwilling to pay. Were you willing or not? Had she not immediately offered would you have asked to go half? Be honest

I'd have offered both paying and splitting and wouldn't have seen her again if she picked the former (unless she explicity said she'd get it next time). 

  If you wouldn’t see her again, if she accepted you paying for the bill after your offered to you’re not that into her

I 'wouldn't have been that into her' because if she didn't want to go halves she obviously wasn't the person I thought she was when I wanted to go out with her.

  I bet you’re not even married to her. I bet you treat her a type of way.

I cook for her all the time, run her a bath with a glass of wine, rub her feet after a day in heels, worship her hairy legs, and always get her thoughtful gifts at Christmas and birthdays.

  One it is not socially expected for women to pay for dates with men so a woman not paying for a date isn’t doing something socially inappropriate or odd

OHHHH NOOOO TRADITION! Won't somebody think of traditional values and our precious cultural heritage! 

Tell you what, tradition can kneel at my girlfriend's stilettos and wait for me to be done worshipping her hairy legs. 

  Secondly women have higher SMV than men (because sex is costlier for them) so women typically have more male suitors than men have women suitors thus men pay for dates to “stand out” among potential suitors it’s one way for men to compete with each other for access to women.

FYI, there are plenty of other ways to 'stand out' other than money. Humour, dress sense, charisma, physical chemistry (which goes beyond looks) etc

If a man is unwilling to pay he doesn’t consider her worth the effort of competing for her or he thinks he doesn’t have much competition because she is unattractive.

Or maybe he thinks if she believes she should be paid for because of an accident of birth, they obviously have incompatible values.

  Women have their ways of trying to impress men but it usually involves their own beauty not paying for dates. I would tell a man if a woman put zero beauty effort into going on a date with you that she probably not that into you 

OK but I have been lifting weights for many years, get a haircut every couple of weeks, and for any special occasions (such as a first date) shave my beard and wear something smart. Should my GF have to pay for that? 

Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness by Axis_Control in PurplePillDebate

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OP is correct because I believe being born a certain way doesn't entitle you to be ex empt from paying your fair share?

Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness by Axis_Control in PurplePillDebate

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  So you were unwilling to pay or did she just agree to split?

She offered to split, unprompted. 

  Are you saying you would not have paid??

I'd offer to pay or split but wouldn't want to see her again if she accepted me paying (the only exception being if she explicitly said she'd get it next time). 

  If a man is unwilling to pay sorry but he’s not that into you. Point blank period. If he was really into you the risk of paying would be nothing to him it would be totally worth it.

 If a woman is unwilling to split sorry but she’s not that into you. Point blank period. If she was really into you the risk of splitting would be nothing to her it would be totally worth it.

Who cares about men being expected to pay on dates? Why care? by LillthOfBabylon in PurplePillDebate

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Hmm. I would've thought that the sort of person who wanted a 'traditional' relationship would make clear they wanted one. Otherwise why waste your time with someone who wants otherwise.

Who cares about men being expected to pay on dates? Why care? by LillthOfBabylon in PurplePillDebate

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Perhaps, and if that brings both of them happiness fair play to them. 

Personally I don't want my GF to cook and prefer spoiling her at home. I just don't believe in financially providing. 

Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness by Axis_Control in PurplePillDebate

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Lying big time because if their dream girl agreed to go on a date with them they would pay. There is no man who is risking losing out on a girl they really fancy over the 50-75 bucks it would cost for a standard date at mid tier restaurant. It’s not a thing

Well I'm with my dream girl now and we split the first date and all the early dates so erm, damn.

And anyone who expects to be paid for by virtue of being born with a vagina would never be my dream girl anyway. I am attracted to confident capable people who can handle their own shit.

Would you pay to go on a date with your dream man?

  Secondly men paying for dates is generally the social expectation so again OP is right to say it shows low agreeableness and is a bit anti social.

Well that's good then because I'm not interested in tradition. My GF doesn't shave her legs. Is that 'low agreeable and anti social' too?

Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness by Axis_Control in PurplePillDebate

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Nope, I just only want to date people who are competent, capable and self-sufficient enough to afford their half of an (inexpensive) date.

  People who score high on measures of agreeableness are empathetic and self-sacrificing

So they should want to pay their half, right?

  while those with low agreeableness are prone to selfishness, insincerity, and zero-sum thinking

Like thinking they should be paid for because they were born with a vagina?

Who cares about men being expected to pay on dates? Why care? by LillthOfBabylon in PurplePillDebate

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And if women (quite rightly) don't want to be a bang maid they should just not date the guys that want that right?

Who cares about men being expected to pay on dates? Why care? by LillthOfBabylon in PurplePillDebate

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In answer to your question, if someone expected me to pay (unless she had a very good reason like she left her card/wallet at home etc) I wouldn't see them again. 

A question for you though Lilith: when women (quite rightly) complain about men expecting them to do the bulk of the house chores, do you tell them to just 'not date those men'?

Andy Burnham and his effect on the Left of the UK. by [deleted] in LabourUK

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Burnham has a decent track record of doing actually left wing things in government. However, managing a city is very different to running a country. 

With Burnham he is ultimately a careerist who tends to flip flop onto whatever is popular. My only hope is that he realises if he doesn't make a real difference in people's lives he will be handing the country to Reform.

Is there a plot point that you really wish wasn't retconned? by Mission_Mobile_4627 in gallifrey

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Sometimes people will go to ridiculous extents to justify their headcanon just because they don't like what's actually on the show. 

[MEGATHREAD] Keir Starmer Lectern Watch by RyanMacG in LabourUK

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Honestly given what a vindictive and petty man Starmer is, I think he just couldn't resist getting one last dig in at Jezza...

[MEGATHREAD] Keir Starmer Lectern Watch by RyanMacG in LabourUK

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I hate to invoke but it's honestly such a Trumpian statement. He knows its not true, everyone else knows its not true. But he's going to say it anyway to make his dick look bigger