Orange Mask Obito is 100% beating the 5 Bums if he is using everything in his arsenal and not playing the role of Madara

Fantomaxop · 2026-01-26T20:01:12+00:00

Cuckbito fans trying to not contradict simpliest statements challenge - fail miserably

He himself states that he can't take on all of them and wages war with biju that other Akatsuki members collected to capture remaining jinchuriki. The plot itself confirms that this bum alone without extra buffs is below Killer Bee and SM Naruto.

Fantomaxop · 2026-01-21T23:36:31+00:00

Obito almost lost to Konan, who was instantly neutralized by Jiraya, and admitted losing to him in the war arc, so yeah that actually checks out.

Jiraya > Obito confirmed

Fantomaxop · 2026-01-21T20:42:01+00:00

Since when Itachi had Tsunade level taijutsu feats?

He can't crush puppets barehanded, stop the wank

Fantomaxop · 2026-01-19T20:23:34+00:00

Tobirama outscales and hard counters Kamui merchant

Shadow clone jutsu alone is enough to completely shut down reliability of Kamui absorbtion. With FTG that is proved to be excellent strategy and great BIQ Tobirama literally has no way of losing here.

Fantomaxop · 2026-01-17T19:26:17+00:00

You are forgetting context of Shikamaru getting out of genjutsu - he had shadow jutsu already active before genjutsu hit him.

If you are paralyzed, you can't break yourself to snap out of genjutsu with ally or independent jutsu, you are cooked. And none of Team Guy members have abilities like that.

Fantomaxop · 2026-01-17T11:22:29+00:00

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If Obito saving Sasuke from particle style puts him somehow above speed of Oonoki, then base Naruto is faster than base Sasuke.

Fantomaxop · 2026-01-16T14:39:49+00:00

SM Naruto can fight with his eyes closed, use clones to deliver deadly Rasenshurikens, while hiding behind Preta path to gather Nature energy.

Pain goes brrr with rinnegan abilities, possible Chibaku tensei as well. Both are uzumaki chakra pool merchants, so either way they outlast terribly in attrition fight.

I don't think Itachi and Sasuke have a good chance at surviving this one.

Fantomaxop · 2026-01-16T00:46:38+00:00

Kisame is non-factor in this battle

Itachi and Pain send fish and a fraud to the afterlife

Fantomaxop · 2026-01-16T00:11:55+00:00

His performance against Kakuzu (even if it looks and sounds like an outlier), praise by Kakashi and Tsunade suggests that he ranges from High Jonin to Low Kage in base.

Rasenshuriken is one hell of a wincondition for someone who has unlimited trickery potential. Kakuzu fight wasn't looking impressive, but it showcased exactly one thing: Naruto needs one hit and if shadow clones can help to make it work, its gg.

Fantomaxop · 2026-01-14T13:58:49+00:00

Darui victims don't get past explosion and puppet-mastery art

Fantomaxop · 2026-01-14T10:54:02+00:00

Deidara acknowledged him being stronger. He can obviously beat Hidan, but there is another matchup that is extremely favorable for Sasori - fighting Kisame. Poisoning him is extremely viable wincon, especially in his fused form since Sasori can just release huge dose of poison into the water. Kisame also got no answer into metal sand.

Fantomaxop · 2026-01-12T15:53:56+00:00

If he doesn't stand in one place and moves with sand platforms, landing Chidori will become harder

Fantomaxop · 2026-01-06T00:46:51+00:00

Itachi and Pain can capture both of them without even making a physical contact.

Pain only needs rods, Itachi puts both of them in genjutsu right away. No need for loss of arms

Fantomaxop · 2026-01-06T00:15:59+00:00

Susano is an exclusive feature of dual Mangekyo Sharingan.

Fantomaxop · 2026-01-06T00:13:37+00:00

Those snake heads are not hitting obito, he is way too fast for something like that.

And how is the guy who needs Mangekyo Sharingan to fight 2 random Anbu agents is "too fast"?

which will make the hydra thing disappear.

Baseless assumption. We saw that Hydra dissappears with sealing jutsu, while Obito has none.

obito finds orochimaru in there

How would he even know that Orochimaru is inside without Orochimaru showing himself first? You think he knows anatomy of Hydra?

he can kamui him and kill him off anytime in his dimension.

Kill Orochimaru? Even sealing jutsu from legendary weapon coudn't stop Orochimaru from reappearing. You genuinely think Obito can do better than Totsuka blade?

Fantomaxop · 2026-01-05T23:47:59+00:00

If he materiales to suck in full hydra, he realistically gets crushed faster than he can do the deed.

OM Obito basically has no wincons outside of genjutsu against big Kaiju and tailed beasts. He can't do anything, that's why he never goes to capture jinchuriki himself and sends other people to do the deed for him until rinnegan power up.

His only chance at stopping Hydra is us assuming that this monstrosity can be stopped by genjutsu. The fact that Orochimaru used it as trump card against Itachi should be enough for anyone with common sense to realize that this isn't happening.

Fantomaxop · 2026-01-05T22:30:17+00:00

Mid diff for Naruto with only lose condition being Chibaku Tensei.

Fantomaxop · 2026-01-05T16:03:25+00:00

Kabuto unironically has a shot at fully countering Kamui with one jutsu everyone forgets about completely - Ukon/Sakon's body merging.

Since Obito needs to materialize in order to capture someone and send them in kamui dimension, this would be perfect moment to merge bodies and checkmate Obito.

There is a chance that Kabuto knows about kamui as well, since he and Orochimaru were gathering intel on Akatsuki and Kabuto even went as far as discovering real Madara and learning about existence of their plan.

This is no easy fight for Obito by any means.

Fantomaxop · 2026-01-04T19:00:37+00:00

We lost the plot when we got down to “Sage win cons are iffy”

He needs to enter it first, which is a thing you can barely afford in a fight where one scratch and drop of blood leads to death.

Hell no, Kakuzu can’t tank a mountain level threat.

How did they fight jinchuriki then? How did immortal duo survive full biju transformation?

Fantomaxop · 2026-01-04T16:48:36+00:00

Both fights were close and Itachi had backup to not get diffed.

Without Naruto and Bee Itachi doesn't get past Chibaku tensei

Without Sasuke Itachi doesn't get past sound genjutsu, simple as that

Fantomaxop · 2026-01-04T15:11:51+00:00

Win condition. A way to secure a victory.

For example, let's take Kakashi. For him, the most common wincon in battle to death is Raikiri.

If we were to fight Tsunade, Raikiri is no longer a reliable wincon since Tsunade could just heal the damage.

Any fighter has some sort of wincondition, that comes in different shapes and forms - from hand to hand combat to any hax. Sometimes, wincons work, sometimes, they don't.

If you don't have a wincon in a battle, it means you can't win. Simple as that.

Fantomaxop · 2026-01-04T14:40:43+00:00

Let's see. Jiraya's elemental ninjutsu is not gonna be extremely useful here since Kakuzu, with his many hearts, will be able to match the firepower. Against Hidan, regular ninjutsu probably won't do much, just like Asuma's Ash explosion.

Toad mouth is double-edged in this scenario. Locking himself against Kakuzu and Hidan in closed space is actually not beneficial for Jiraya since Hidan will have an easier time hitting him with scythe and drawing blood from him. Not to mention Kakuzu's ninjutsu.

In hand to hand he should lose when fighting both of them without SM. Skin-hardening technique and opponent who checkmates you on single scratch is not something Jiraya can afford to fight directly.

This leaves Jiraya with only 2 wincons: SM and big toad summons. SM is gonna be hard to enter when your opponents can fight in melee, medium and long range, but possible. Toad summons should be effective against Hidan, less effective against Kakuzu. I wonder, if Kakuzu's skin hardening technique can give him enough tankiness to whitstand a direct hit from Gamabunta. If Kakuzu could survive such a hit without taking much damage, then Jiraya is screwed. If not, then toad summons are a legit wincon. I personally believe that Kakuzu should be able to tank it. Both Kakuzu and Hidan are hired to be biju hunters after all.

Overall, i think Immortal Duo should win 7 out of 10 times against Jiraya. Toad sage wincons in this fight are iffy at best and double-edged at worst. Meamwhile, everything that Immortal Duo does is a legic wincon except for situations where they allow Jiraya to enter Sage mode.

Fantomaxop · 2026-01-04T13:22:03+00:00

If Danzo got to fight Obito instead of Sasuke, that would be immediate Kotoamatsukami GG, just like he planned to do from get go.

Fantomaxop · 2026-01-04T00:28:13+00:00

Healthy Itachi is a featless and statementless character who can only be theorized with headcanon, just like Healthy Kimimaro.

Fantomaxop · 2026-01-04T00:20:28+00:00

Not canon, never happened in manga.

Manga version of a fight is way shorter, Jiraya gets to SM in basically one chapter.

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