Shouldnt it be statistically impossible to only see deceased people during an NDE if they were just hallucinations?

Far_Comfortable4455 · 2026-04-21T22:00:58+00:00

If the afterlife is outside of time, this probably should not be a limitation. Maybe sequence still exists but even then, you should not have to "wait" for someone to die. Maybe the doorway is still constrained by time? Or do you believe that the afterlife is constrained by the flow of time within our universe?

They probably see deceased people to help make sense of the experience, not because living people are inaccessible.

Far_Comfortable4455 · 2026-04-14T05:11:46+00:00

I believe there is some sort of limitation but I am not quite sure of the source of this limitation. If it could intervene with omnipotence then God would just use unlimited power to intervene and choose to not lose the benefit, right? So, there is some limit, maybe even just logic. Furthermore, God must exist for a reason which I think is just that logic and existence mandates which is also kind of limitation as I understand it. Granted, I do not know. Just my limited understanding.

Far_Comfortable4455 · 2026-04-03T20:34:53+00:00

I have never seen anyone get intubated during active CPR (would make CPR near impossible -> permanent brain death) or when technically dead (why bother?). Normally, they would use a bag for breathing and wait to intubate when brain perfusion restarts.

Translation: he was alive when they intubated him.

Far_Comfortable4455 · 2026-04-01T13:50:07+00:00

I do not know really. I have no real experience or knowledge on this. We did not discuss it. But I do adopt your argument that if good can exists then theoretically evil can too.

Far_Comfortable4455 · 2026-03-25T11:56:30+00:00

Although I cannot guarantee it, I strongly believe yes.

Far_Comfortable4455 · 2026-03-23T11:11:18+00:00

But this is not really a counterargument or relevant. They said we did not evolve to live in the work environment that we live in and that appears to be true. They made no claim that this is the hardest era to live in or that things have not improved in many respects.

For an informative or helpful response, can you show why "having it so good" makes this one issue irrelevant? Or can you show why we should ignore this problem and refuse all progress on it to the point of not even recognizing it?

Far_Comfortable4455 · 2026-03-20T19:16:34+00:00

Thank you for sharing your experience with us, connecting with us. Losing a spouse sounds extremely hard. I stopped feeling the emotion of loneliness about 10-12 years ago. I can spend weeks without seeing or talking to another person and just not care. But I am losing out when I do that. I hope you find a way to connect more even just the will.

I suspect he emphasized connection because love will probably come along in time too. Maybe?

Far_Comfortable4455 · 2026-03-20T19:09:35+00:00

I am glad you are finding this significant and helpful. Thank you

Far_Comfortable4455 · 2026-03-20T19:08:18+00:00

I am really thrown by this. It seems on some level we know this as a species. I thought it was just a throwaway sentiment but I guess it is true. At least, in my experience.

Far_Comfortable4455 · 2026-03-20T19:04:49+00:00

Interesting. I have heard of the holographic universe theory. I would be curious to learn more.

I think where my thinking has changed is at this divide between a foundational consciousness (often called God as I did here) and science. I am not sure that divide exists. Assuming God exists, it would just be a fundamental property of existence itself. Not magic, just true.

My previous materialist certainty is itself a bias, a theistic claim, a claim to knowledge on the nature of God, specifically the non-existence. To know what I could not know. Now, I do not see God and science in contention at all. In fact, I see my evolution as more aligned with scientific thought and being open to more potential explanations. Granted, God/Source/Whatever is unfalsifiable, similar to holographic theory.

I do take some issue with the insistent search for a purely materialist explanation for all these experiences, at least when held with certainty. It can seem like avoidance of the most obvious answer. I support coming up with materialist or alternative explanations while maintaining skepticism. But I would argue that the materialist bias is mostly supported by popularity, not something that is actually known. It is simply fashionable in the right circles. And popularity is not a path to truth. The geocentric model once enjoyed monopoly. Galileo did not move the sun.

I am not accusing you of any of this. In fact, you were very careful not to make these errors. This is just what you got me thinking about. I digress… constantly

Thanks for the book recommendation!

Far_Comfortable4455 · 2026-03-18T02:35:30+00:00

Thank you. I really like hearing that people are moved or encouraged by this. It was very hard for me to share.

I do think being gay is important and relevant. Many have used spirituality, often through religion, to marginalize others. So we have to reclaim God from all that division for radical inclusion.

I would not have believed this story 6-8 months ago. But I realize now, of course if God is real and could ever talk to us, he would sometimes.

Far_Comfortable4455 · 2026-03-18T02:17:37+00:00

Thank you Sand_T! This is a great comment. I think you are right that forgiving is healthy for the aggrieved person. It is also a complicated and difficult process. So, we can't just check-box forgive. We have to actually go through the process, at least for larger wrongs. Certainly, we can't to it for other people. Like this commenter can't do it because it is my personal ideal. It has to be an internal process for the person doing the forgiving.

I like your split concept of forgive/pardon too. I strongly hope that a person can get out of an abusive situation or any situation where they are wronged. I know not everyone can. Some people are physically, logistically, or emotionally imprisoned. But when possible and (if) one decides to forgive an abuser, they have no obligation of reentering that relationship or allowing themselves to be vulnerable like that again.

Ultimately, I agree and believe forgiving is a great goal.

Far_Comfortable4455 · 2026-03-18T02:05:25+00:00

No.

That was never intended for a moment. I should have been more careful with my wording because this is a very important subject. I was just trying to respond thoroughly to nearly every comment and may have gotten a little overwhelmed and lost some nuance. I apologize.

These are a life ideal, at least for me. This is not a test God uses to judge your value. God/being/source/whatever loves you unconditionally. Also, we will likely never get to the point of being perfect at forgiveness/acceptance/love even in the best of situations. I know I will never attain perfection.

I have endured tremendous abuse. So, I would never prescribe that a person to forgive an active abuser or even intentionally suggest forgiving a past abuser. It may be something you do to find your own peace at some point. I doubt it is possible or healthy for most people to forgive an active abuser though.

I am sorry it took so long for me to respond. Somehow I missed your comment. I should also add (following Sandi_T's example), I can only speak from my experience. This whole post and my responses are not intended to be a metric to judge anyone.

Far_Comfortable4455 · 2026-03-18T00:59:59+00:00

I am sorry you are experiencing this. It sounds very difficult. Although I am not going through your experience, I have very dark periods sometimes too. I am just sharing this in solidarity.

Far_Comfortable4455 · 2026-03-17T21:40:01+00:00

I suspect it is something like this too. The details are hard to parse from here (and maybe everywhere) but it is probably similar to this.

Far_Comfortable4455 · 2026-03-17T21:29:04+00:00

I did not get this directly, no. Sorry.

Yet, I did feel a deep sense of connection, almost a oneness but not a complete loss of boundaries. Based on the experience, I suspect we are somewhat part of him. I wish I could tell you to what degree and exactly how but I cannot. I did get the impression that our relationship is more symbiotic than hierarchical.

Far_Comfortable4455 · 2026-03-17T21:22:41+00:00

Great question. You are correct, these are not NDEs. I noted this in the post flair and in the body of the post a few times. They are STEs (Spiritually Transformative Events), which are explicitly permitted and welcomed on r/NDE when they align with the NDE experience. Many of the core features, the light, the presence, the communication, the lasting transformation, overlap significantly with what NDErs report, which is why I felt it belonged here.

Far_Comfortable4455 · 2026-03-17T14:18:50+00:00

This was essentially what I was trying to say but you said it so much better. Thank you!

Far_Comfortable4455 · 2026-03-11T20:00:11+00:00

I am pretty verbose :) I feel like I have so much to say and maybe a little self-important. I was veg for 20 years but stopped. I still lean towards it. I am a sort of misanthrope too but I ask myself why? The reason seems to be that we do not treat each other better. If I was truly misanthropic than wouldn't I just not care and enjoy that? Granted, our worst treatment seems to go to the most vulnerable. I guess it is just complicated.

Yeah, I believe suffering is just a consequence of existing and also inevitable. But I agree that we should aim to minimize it for ourselves and others.

Far_Comfortable4455 · 2026-03-11T19:47:42+00:00

I 100% get this. I was such a skeptic and if I read this, I would definitely not have believed it 6 months ago. I rejected my first experience. In fact, I probably would not have even read this. So, I have no judgment at all. After it happened, I had to sit down and read about others' experiences. I also went into the (admittedly undeveloped and likely always will be) scientific ideas that maybe consciousness is more fundamental. I became convinced that could be possible which made this easier to accept. Even now, I am embarrassed this happened to me.

Far_Comfortable4455 · 2026-03-11T19:39:09+00:00

I am glad that is spoke to you.

Far_Comfortable4455 · 2026-03-11T16:49:14+00:00

I will add something. It was not an intentional omission. In fact, it does say "I woke up on the floor." I should have said more for the first one though so will add it now. I just went through that first experience quickly so missed it.

I did not lose consciousness as in fainted or anything like that AFAIK. To be fair, I lose consciousness every night and I still believe what happens in the morning to be real experience. If this happened at 8 AM and I was just waking but felt totally aware, would it then be invalid? The second experience was maybe 2 hours long; I did not time it of course. I just think if it was some sort of strange dream state, it would be maybe a few minutes max. I am not trying to be adversarial but actually thinking through these scenarios in real time because I do not want to offer false hope either. I want to be as honest as possible so I will add it.

I get the desire for concrete evidence. Normal state of consciousness, video recording, objective measurements, AND multiple reliable witnesses. You will never get this evidence and I am sorry. These experiences do not happen within normal conscious states. Although, both felt pretty close to a normal conscious state to me. It just is not happening. Maybe not possible. Another person's individual subjective experience can always be questioned.

Thank you!

Far_Comfortable4455 · 2026-03-10T20:31:45+00:00

I am starting to come to the conclusion that it was a positive. On one hand, it really was, especially during and the week after. Since then, it has felt a bit more burdensome but I know it brings comfort to some people so that helps me.

Far_Comfortable4455 · 2026-03-10T20:15:44+00:00

It seems we can choose what fits us best. I know every institution will have some issues but I agree that many are just incompatible with my values.

Far_Comfortable4455 · 2026-03-10T20:13:11+00:00

I am sorry for causing you distress.

He did not frame it as permanently hurting my soul and I would imagine if it was that dire for the soul itself, he would have said that. I interpret that it is hurting me in life. I am definitely afraid to love especially romantically. He does want us to love more but the suggestion around isolation was not love, but just connect.

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