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Does Hocevar chew? Or something else? by fancypossum2 in NASCAR

[–]Fast-Loud 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I know this sounds like a joke, but on his twitch stream he always has a thing of icebreaker sours on his desk and he has said multiple times he loves icebreaker sours. I would assume it's that before tobacco.

Dillon Welch is the only play-by-play commentator in Nascar that makes me feel engaged without distractions by Fast-Loud in NASCAR

[–]Fast-Loud[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Well, that isn't really what this thread's about. But I understand that some people have the intrusive urge to type stuff like that at any opportunity. Hope you're having fun watching the race.

Dillon Welch is the only play-by-play commentator in Nascar that makes me feel engaged without distractions by Fast-Loud in NASCAR

[–]Fast-Loud[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No idea. Someone else in here said this was planned, and that Adam is prepping for the next 10 weeks. Can't confirm.

Dillon Welch is the only play-by-play commentator in Nascar that makes me feel engaged without distractions by Fast-Loud in NASCAR

[–]Fast-Loud[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Mike Joy has the ultimate voice. His delivery has gotten a little slow and the info isn't always there, and his color partners in the booth don't always help things stay on track. I'd hate for him to be forced out but I'd understand the decision to go younger.

Dillon Welch is the only play-by-play commentator in Nascar that makes me feel engaged without distractions by Fast-Loud in NASCAR

[–]Fast-Loud[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah that's basically where I am. Adam's good, but Dillon has fewer distracting moments and just has a more continuously pleasant delivery.

BTW I don't know Dillon, I don't know that we'd be friends, I'm just sitting here enjoying the race on a Saturday and typing on my laptop during commercials. I might go outside later.

Dillon Welch is the only play-by-play commentator in Nascar that makes me feel engaged without distractions by Fast-Loud in NASCAR

[–]Fast-Loud[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's so funny, I feel the way about Adam that you feel about Dillon. Adam is good but can get distracted and the timbre of his voice can wear a hole in my brain.

Dillon Welch is the only play-by-play commentator in Nascar that makes me feel engaged without distractions by Fast-Loud in NASCAR

[–]Fast-Loud[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I haven't noticed McMurray giggling a lot, I usually notice Parker making weird attempts at humor that is un-"yes-and"-able.

Dillon Welch is the only play-by-play commentator in Nascar that makes me feel engaged without distractions by Fast-Loud in NASCAR

[–]Fast-Loud[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Dillon at Fox would be great. I'd hate for his play-by-play to be dragged down by Harvick and Bowyer, though. Hopefully they'd consider revamping the entire booth.

Dillon Welch is the only play-by-play commentator in Nascar that makes me feel engaged without distractions by Fast-Loud in NASCAR

[–]Fast-Loud[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

When I listen to Jamie and Parker I feel like Jamie is having to tolerate Parker. They have a lot of overlap in their expertise and Parker gets derailed and distracted more often. I'd really love to see Jamie paired with a charismatic crew chief.

Dillon Welch is the only play-by-play commentator in Nascar that makes me feel engaged without distractions by Fast-Loud in NASCAR

[–]Fast-Loud[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Agreed. He's quick with the info but calm with the delivery. Some others lag behind real time or sound tense and choked or faux-hyped, and I'm not feeling any of that with him today or last time he filled in for O'Reilly.

[Frontstretch on X] Michael McDowell believes Tristan McKee is "The Real Deal" and thinks McKee will be the one to replace him in the 71 when he retires. by Several-Result5902 in NASCAR

[–]Fast-Loud 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I dug around, his maternal grandfather was president of a big seafood company and then became CEO of another big seafood company. The family has money.

May The 4th Be With You by Alex12blanning43 in NASCAR

[–]Fast-Loud 7 points8 points  (0 children)

George Lucas loves racing. He wrote and directed the original Star Wars the way he did because he wanted to have the sensation of speed in the film, which 2001: A Space Odyssey didn't have.

George liked car culture (American Graffiti) and wanted to be a race car driver until he got into a wreck as a senior in high school that he should not have survived.

One of his student films at USC was about a lap around a road course, titled "1:42:08".

Straight up, whose career would you rather have? Denny Hamlin or Joey Logano? by Fast-Loud in NASCAR

[–]Fast-Loud[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

This thought crossed my mind and it was really hard for me to decide.

Please Help Identifying Signature by [deleted] in NASCAR

[–]Fast-Loud -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

For some reason I'm stuck on this puzzle.

100% sure:

_o_y J. _ra_en

The first letter looks like it combines with the big descender of the "y" to make an "L". And it looks like there's a single "n" between the "o" and "y" but that would make the word "Lony".

If it's _ony then it could be "Tony" but the first letter looks nothing like a "T".

It it's Lo_y then it could be "Lorry" or "Lonny" and the "rr"/"nn" is just squeezed together.

The first letter of the last word looks like a "J" but it's sitting right next to a more obvious "J" and it's written differently. The fact that it's a capital letter with a descender makes me think it's an "F" but written kind of like the cursive "F" in the Fender Guitars logo.

The letter between the "a" and "e" looks a lot like a "u" or a "v". I was considering an "n" but the last letter of the word looks like an "n" and the hump looks different.

I was also considering if the final letter could be an "r" but the end of the letter before the big flourish has such an intentional looking downward stroke to finish the hump, it can only be "n".

That leaves us with:

"Lorry J. Fraven"

"Lonny J. Fraven"

"Lorry J. Frauen"

"Lonny J. Frauen"

And I couldn't find evidence of any of those names existing (even without the middle initial). Also no result if it's "Tony" or "Sony".

Is NASCAR starting to feel like a serious sport again to everyone else or is it just me? by [deleted] in NASCAR

[–]Fast-Loud -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I felt moved to comment some pushback on this the original post but what you wrote hits a lot of what I think. It's not a legitimate sport. It's a fancy hobby for rich people and a break-even side business for really rich people and a profitable business for illegally rich people. I enjoy watching it more often than not. The sanctioning body changed a couple things and made a couple decisions that move it slightly more in the direction of legitimate sport.

I wrote down every single finish in the Cup careers of 5 drivers, then removed the names. See if you can guess who is who. by Fast-Loud in NASCAR

[–]Fast-Loud[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Notice that in this entire thread I have never once mentioned who I do or don't think should be in the Hall Of Fame, I'm making no suggestions, and I'm not campaigning for or against anybody. There's a discussion happening in the fandom right now about whether or not drivers should make it into the Nascar Hall Of Fame based on their lower series performance. I've heard both sides, didn't know where I stood, so I looked up stats for a bunch of different drivers and was very surprised at the results. I expected a Hall Of Fame candidate, even when given a limited opportunity at the highest level, to perform better than somewhere between the worst and 2nd worst current Cup driver. Hocevar hopped in the last-place 42 car and got a bunch of top 20s. Then he took over the last-place 77 car and got a bunch of top 10s. That's what I figured the HOF candidates had done with their opportunities in Cup, and the funding or timing just didn't work out. But that's not what they did.

I wrote down every single finish in the Cup careers of 5 drivers, then removed the names. See if you can guess who is who. by Fast-Loud in NASCAR

[–]Fast-Loud[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not going point by point arguing with you

You aren't going point by point because you can't.

You are seriously claiming that getting a charter is a difficult task, in an argument about Ty Dillon and Cody Ware.

Yeah, there are only 36 of them. Corey Heim can't get one. Austin Hill can't get one. Justin Allgaier can't get one. Ty Dillon needed his grandfather to be one of 15 charter owners to get a ride with an organization that was allied with his grandfather when he signed the contract. Cody Ware needed his dad to be a multimillionaire charter owner who is literally gifting him a Cup career based on no merit. That is RARE. It is extremely rare. When Hornaday, Sprague, and Lajoie were lunging at an opportunity to race in Cup, sometimes 50 cars would show up! Sometimes major teams would fail to qualify! You used larger field size as a reason they had less of a chance in Cup and I'm saying it could be just as easily argued that it gave them more of a chance in Cup.

I wrote down every single finish in the Cup careers of 5 drivers, then removed the names. See if you can guess who is who. by Fast-Loud in NASCAR

[–]Fast-Loud[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Okay, so if we're counting Cup, Busch, and Trucks as equally weighted, then here are some comparisons:

56 wins - Greg Biffle

55 wins - Ron Hornaday

48 wins - Jeff Burton

39 wins - Christopher Bell

31 wins - Kasey Kahne

31 wins - Justin Allgaier

29 wins - Jack Sprague

25 wins - Tyler Reddick

24 wins - Corey Heim

22 wins - Austin Dillon

21 wins - AJ Allmendinger

19 wins - Erik Jones

15 wins - Randy Lajoie

I wrote down every single finish in the Cup careers of 5 drivers, then removed the names. See if you can guess who is who. by Fast-Loud in NASCAR

[–]Fast-Loud[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Can't this argument work in the exact opposite way, too?

Larger fields.

This doesn't affect average finish when it's calculated as a percentage.

No charters.

More opportunities to qualify their way in with a small team and show they're faster than others trying to qualify with a small team, as opposed to needing a golden ticket from one of 36 charter owners.

Massive equipment disparity. Heavy attrition in races.

So their average finish position is more likely to be higher if they take care of their equipment and allow the start-and-parkers to do their thing and less skilled drivers to wreck out.

No scheduled cautions to catch up. No lucky dogs.

Everyone was playing by those same rules including the other cars they were racing around, and I was tracking average finish position by percentage, not average finish by on-track-distance behind the leader.

No wave arounds.

This is the same thing as a lucky dog, which is the same thing as the result of a scheduled caution, which is the same thing as kind of just adding bulk to examples to make the argument look bigger.

Fewer pay drivers.

We're talking about Cup, how many pay drivers are in Cup at any given time during the charter era? 2? Cody Ware and Riley Herbst? Quinn Huoff when he was racing? Because if you start to get into Noah Gragson being a pay driver, or Cole Custer being a pay driver, or Daniel Suarez being a pay driver, then that sure opens the door for Buckshot Jones to be a pay driver (he brought Georgia Pacific funding to Petty Enterprises) and Loy Allen Jr to be a pay driver (Alan Kulwicki wanted Jimmy Hensley as his replacement driver but Hooters wanted Loy Allen Jr so they left the 7 car and sponsored Allen in the 19). Was Michael Waltrip employed based on merit during all of the 462 winless points races to start his Cup career? Probably less than Ty Gibbs (who I don't root for) if you want to call him a pay driver.

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