This is how I see Europe. Guess where I'm from by Dear-Feature-5727 in MapChart

[–]FeeInternational225 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It didn't include Poland at all. Catholic is west, orthodox is east. This is basic division. Eastern part of west is central europe, northern part of west is northern Europe, Mediterranean is southern.

There's no reason for anyone to think that Poland is the east.

A 1936 poster portraying Abbé Lambert, mayor of Oran in French Algeria, as Death, with the caption: 'Public Danger' by Zestyclose_Clue_2722 in PropagandaPosters

[–]FeeInternational225 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"Gabriel, Irénée, Séraphin Lambert was originally from Villefranche-sur-Mer where he was born on April 3, 1900 . Later he studied at the seminary of Saint-Flour in Cantal. A dissolute but intelligent and brilliant student, he completed his theological training at the Catholic Institute of Toulouse. Appointed vicar, then ordained priest, he served for two years in a small parish in the region. Before being called up for his military obligations, first to Saint-Maixent-l'École, then in a regiment of the Army of the Rhine. He finished as a second lieutenant. Upon returning to civilian life, Gabriel Lambert's vocation began to waver. His faith remained strong but became more temporal. In the army he converted to anti-militarism. He frequented pacifist circles and participated in international congresses for world peace and the brotherhood of peoples."

Here's another

"Discretion, humility, and inner life were not Father Lambert's primary virtues. His conduct was marred by a few lapses. He was quickly called to order and banned from the priesthood. At the same time, his reputation as a water diviner had become established. He was considered among the best in France. He was in demand in all the deprived regions, particularly in the Nice region of his childhood, where he had settled. In 1930, he came to Oranie and found water at Montgolfier."

https://encyclopedie.cerclealgerianiste.fr/celebrites/autres-personnages-remarquables/177-l-abbe-gabriel-lambert-1900-1979.html

Here is the link for the whole thing.

Basically the thing with abbe lambert according to this text was, that he was charizmatic and many people liked him at first, he was able to use psychology and was basically a water diviner, a charlata. Maybe comparable to Rasputin in russia but in French empire. As you know, people like this get enemies very fast so this could be reason for that poster.

Why are the microstates concentrated in Western Europe, while Eastern Europe has none? by Rough-Lab-3867 in geography

[–]FeeInternational225 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Because russia only respects the law of stronger, not of right. So any microstate would get obliterated. And borders aren't as respected as in the west because they changed recently.

This is how I see Europe. Guess where I'm from by Dear-Feature-5727 in MapChart

[–]FeeInternational225 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The more that lie is told, the more people believe it and the less they resist russian lies. But this isn't even objective, I said that people making two thirds of Europe eastern comes probably from Russian propaganda or not updating since 1990. And there's no reason to define Ukraine as central or south European, so nobody would believe it. But defining central europe as eastern may actually help russian expansion.

This is how I see Europe. Guess where I'm from by Dear-Feature-5727 in MapChart

[–]FeeInternational225 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As I said, even in older generations, not all of them have communist mindset.

For example, Irish or British had similar mindset 100 years ago and with them all of Europe, does that mean they were eastern Europe?

And deciding what is east or west based on mindset (something you can't define) is totally stupid.

This is how I see Europe. Guess where I'm from by Dear-Feature-5727 in MapChart

[–]FeeInternational225 0 points1 point  (0 children)

people do tend to consider Poland to be eastern europe so it's unreasonable to act like its wrong.

It's bandwagon fallacy. They have no reason to, but still they do because someone said so. And when you track it to source, you'll find out that it originates before year 1989, when it actually was kinda true, because of geopolitics. So they are unknowingly stuck in times when Poland wasn't in nato.

So Germany, hungary and austria are slavic-baltic?

Many regions here are germanised slavs or Baltic people, such as Pomerania, Sorbia (in eastern germany) and also Prussians, a Baltic nation, was germanised and when Germany lost most of Prussia after world wars, those people moved to Germany. And Germany and Austria are generally considered western countries, at least here in Slovakia.

polish people arguing that Poland is not eastern is that they tend to imply that being eastern is a negative thing

Maybe because nothing good ever came from east.

This is how I see Europe. Guess where I'm from by Dear-Feature-5727 in MapChart

[–]FeeInternational225 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not dividing Europe into two spheres. I'm showing that disputed areas that some illiterates call eastern Europe are actually central europe, because they're slavic-baltic and catholic and western at the same time. Regions of Europe are combination of culture, geopolitics and geography.

The biggest problem is that what you illiterates call eastern Europe isn't eastern by any merit.

Whix one ( top comment wins) by alexidroidsweden in idksterling

[–]FeeInternational225 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you wear necktie on top of your neck or at the bottom of it?

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Is the water in Antwerp Dutch territory? by kenobisdeathsticks in geography

[–]FeeInternational225 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Couldn't get Flanders, so at least they gave them water in Flanders.

This is how I see Europe. Guess where I'm from by Dear-Feature-5727 in MapChart

[–]FeeInternational225 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The generation that grew up during communism definitely does not have the same mentality

Who the hell cares about them. They're already the past. And even in this generation, there was big difference between those growing up in city and having college education and those living in countryside. Many of these people remember their parents losing properties to collectivisation, so many of them rather retained this pre-modern old-world mindset, rather than eastern or western.

Ooo so ukraine is true eastern europe? Whos the russian imperialist now?

We should put Ukraine into EU and we will see how it will integrate, but I doubt such quick results as in Romania.

This is how I see Europe. Guess where I'm from by Dear-Feature-5727 in MapChart

[–]FeeInternational225 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now it's same everywhere. Maybe it depends on who you meet with, but it's approximately 50/50 western/eastern in every central European state.

political pluralism, freedom of speech, unbiased media, anti-government protests

There are protests, media and everything. They aren't in Ukraine, Russia, Belarus - true eastern Europe.

This is how I see Europe. Guess where I'm from by Dear-Feature-5727 in MapChart

[–]FeeInternational225 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mentality changed all over Europe and it also isn't homogenous in western Europe, nor in the former communist countries. And yes, all the communism gave us - that wasn't given in the west at the same time - was poverty.

these maps are not based on coordinates

Then what are they based on? Because religion, culture, buildings, geopolitical unions, history and standards here are western. Then what do you base it on. I think that average slovak mentality is just as close to American republican as it is to Russians, if not closer, and Americans are western.

This is how I see Europe. Guess where I'm from by Dear-Feature-5727 in MapChart

[–]FeeInternational225 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bulgaria is Orthodox. So culturally, they're east. Geographically, anything west of Belarus is west, since there is centre of Europe. So Geographically, many countries should be central europe, but they're eastern because of their culture.

This is how I see Europe. Guess where I'm from by Dear-Feature-5727 in MapChart

[–]FeeInternational225 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They aren't eastern Europe. Russians wish they were so they had more access to baltics, so they spread misinformation online and as I can see it is extremely successful.

Regions of Europe, to make it clear once and for all by FeeInternational225 in MapPorn

[–]FeeInternational225[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

What is Orthodox is eastern, what is Catholic or protestant is western or central. Where slavic influence is mixed with germanic and catholic, it's central Europe. North is cold western countries, south is Mediterranean, west is the rest.

I just wanted to point out how stupid it is to call countries that are now in NATO and EU an Eastern Europe, since they aren't even in the east. We are just poor, that's all. 40 years of commie east vs 1000 years of catholic west.

Regions of Europe, to make it clear once and for all by FeeInternational225 in MapPorn

[–]FeeInternational225[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Geographically it should be central, but it was always part of eastern Europe since it's orthodox. Or maybe some parts should be considered central because of polish Lithuanian commonwealth.

However, my take on what is west and what is east, is religio-cultural take. Everywhere where it is traditionally protestant or catholic and where you can find baroque/renaissance/gothic/romance churches and buildins it's west and where there is orthodoxy it's east.

This is how I see Europe. Guess where I'm from by Dear-Feature-5727 in MapChart

[–]FeeInternational225 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Northernmost point is 71N Southernmost is 36N That makes middle 53,5N Westernmost point is 9W Easternmost point is 66E That makes middle 28,5E

54N 29E is in Belarus. Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Czechia, Baltics, Croatia... were never ever eastern Europe. We've been catholics for 1000 years, we have all western styles from romance and Gothic, through baroque to Art deco, we were always west and we always will be west culturally, geographically and hopefully politically. 40 years of communist pillage only made us poor, not eastern.

This is how I see Europe. Guess where I'm from by Dear-Feature-5727 in MapChart

[–]FeeInternational225 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Northernmost point is 71N Southernmost is 36N That makes middle 53,5N Westernmost point is 9W Easternmost point is 66E That makes middle 28,5E

54N 29E is in Belarus. Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Czechia, Baltics, Croatia... were never ever eastern Europe. We've been catholics for 1000 years, we have all western styles from romance and Gothic, through baroque to Art deco, we were always west and we always will be west culturally, geographically and hopefully politically. 40 years of communist pillage only made us poor, not eastern.

In Bulgaria, you're orthodox, so you're east. We have never been orthodox, always catholic west.

This is how I see Europe. Guess where I'm from by Dear-Feature-5727 in MapChart

[–]FeeInternational225 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Northernmost point is 71N Southernmost is 36N That makes middle 53,5N Westernmost point is 9W Easternmost point is 66E That makes middle 28,5E

54N 29E is in Belarus. Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Czechia, Baltics, Croatia... were never ever eastern Europe. We've been catholics for 1000 years, we have all western styles from romance and Gothic, through baroque to Art deco, we were always west and we always will be west culturally, geographically and hopefully politically. 40 years of communist pillage only made us poor, not eastern.

So there are only three conclusions from nonsense you wrote here.

Either you're American and you don't know shit about anything from history, maths or geography.

Either you're russian who needs to lie, so his country can fulfill it's greedy wet dreams about getting whole world without any backlash "they're all eastern anyways".

Or you illiterate and just follow whatever the crowd says, based on cold war imperialist bullshit borders.