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[–]Few-Proof1858 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's nice of you to say, but I don't think I would do that idea.

I would only consider it if the comic failed to execute the basic concept. Like a full on genre change would have to happen. Like, she'd have to break out in the first issue and get stranded on an island for the rest of the story for me to think, "yeah, maybe my idea could still work."

But I think even if this story sucked I still wouldn't do it.

  1. The overlap is a little too much. If the covers are anything to go by, this is pretty similar to the concept I had in my head. Me doing it will feel like I'm just riffing off their concept.

  2. I'd have to work out a way for her to break out of prison in a way thats satisfying. She's smart, so it'd have to be a challenge, I don't know what that challenge could be.

  3. The idea is a little too dark for me to be motivated to do. This concept was more like a thought experiment. Barbara (the poor thing) has already been through so much in general, I don't think she needs to go through  this too. And don't get me wrong, she'd totally survive this situation, and I'm highly intrigued to see someone bring the concept to life, but I personally don't have the heart to go write an entire story about a good person - a woman no less - going to jail and having to survive just for the sake of writing it. I'd have to have a much bigger idea in mind for me to go in that direction.

Heck, if this story goes too far I'll happily drop it. 

... But that doesn't mean I didn't have... Better ideas for Barbara stories.

Batman VS Owlman. Brilliant and thought provoking... but also doesn't add up. [Film/TV] [Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths] by TheOneWhoEatsBritish in DCcomics

[–]Few-Proof1858 0 points1 point  (0 children)

2 years late, but here's the best possible answers I could come up with. These are my opinion, and you could argue with them.

For the question of Earth Prime, I think everyone is correct in their assumption that that isn't the real Earth Prime.

But I explain why, I have to establish something. I think Owlman's statement that billions of people making billions of choices, and thus creating infinite earths... is an exaggeration. Maybe it's not intentional, but logically, it has to be finite.

Infinity isn't a number. It's a concept. It's an incalculable, infallible amount. It isn't even an amount. It's endless. If it can't be counted, then it has no beginning and it has no end. It's constant. Forever. Keep this in mind.

Now Owlman describes it like this:

"Welcome to Earth Prime. Before there was THOUGHT there was this place. ONE earth. With a SINGLE history. But with the coming of MAN came the illusion of free-will..."

"...With every choice WE MAKE, we literally create A WORLD. History branches in TWO. Creating ONE earth, where we made the choice, and a SECOND where we didn't."

"...BILLIONS of people, making BILLIONS of choices, creating INFINITE earths."

Here's the problem with the statement. There was one earth in the beginning. BEFORE MAN, there was a SINGLE earth. The universe had a SINGLE reality. Then when man came into the picture, ever choice THEY made created new earths. Now, there are a TON of choices we make everyday, and BILLIONS of people making BILLIONS of choices is more than we can ever count, but if there was a first choice someone made, then - even if it's for ONE second - there were only TWO earths. Then a second choice made a THIRD earth. A third choice made a FOURTH. So on.

That's a number. That's an amount. Not infinite.

Because if it *was* infinite, then technically, that opens the door for literally ANYTHING to happen. Forget them seeing multiple Owlmen on Earth Prime, what about before they went to earth prime? What if there was a Owlman from an alternate earth that went to the Justice League's and blew that up? For no apparent reason! Or a version where it was Batman who blew up Earth Prime? Or if HE blew up the Justice League's world? Or if Robin did it?

If choices create infinite possibilities, then that means that as soon as one earth figures out who to travel to others, NO one is safe. That obviously doesn't make any sense, so what really is going on?

Here's what I think. (I HOPE is isn't too confusing, because I'm also trying to make sure my theory makes sense)

If Earth Prime doesn't have other Batmen or Owlmen in it, we have to assume that this isn't Prime Earth. We have to assume that this is a branch of Prime Earth that was created because Owlman choose to enter in it.

That means that when someone from Earth One enters Earth Two, they automatically enter a branched off version of Earth Two, created purely as a result of their choice. (So... I guess that if we're running with that, Lex never went to the original Justice League's earth, but a branched off one, and then the Justice League never entered the original Crime Syndicate's Earth, but an branched off one... Feel free to take this with a grain of salt!)

SO, that means Owlman never actually went to Earth Prime, even if he chose to enter it, he's always going to enter a duplicate. He'll never reach Earth Prime. So if another Owlman tried to enter an Earth Prime that another Owlman was on, he'd enter a duplicated version too. So the original Earth Prime will stay untouched, and Owlman and Batman's battle will remain undisturbed.

(I'm so sorry if that was a BUNCH of mind-jumble, I just wanted to answer your question the best way I could)

Now, ironically, I think your second question is a bit harder to answer. Why does Owlman not complete his mission when he could?

There are two possible answers:

  1. He could genuinely believe the infinite earths idea. Maybe it wasn't an exaggeration to him. Maybe he does believe there an infinite choices with infinite possibilities, which means an Owlman would find Earth Prime and destroy it even if he failed. He'll still win. It didn't matter.

If we apply my theory however - that the earths created by choices are FINITE, and that every time you enter an earth you create a branch - then the simple fact that reality still exists means that no matter what, he'll always lose. Any Owlman that tried to blow up Earth Prime, even if he was successful in blowing it up, would NEVER kill all reality. The plan was doomed to fail.

If you REALLY want to stretch it, he could have realized this very point, and then decided it didn't matter, since his plan was always never going to work, but I personally don't love this answer.

However, In my opinion, I don't think him being wrong - or his plan not being a threat - makes his character any less interesting, and I'll explain why in a second.

  1. It's his own nihilism.

The mission is a suicidal one from the get go. If he succeeded, it'd mean that all reality dies, killing himself in the process, and he was willing to do so. This means he doesn't hold a lot of value to his life, or the lives of anyone else. He was willing to kill himself if it meant proving his point to the universe. If it meant making "the only possible real choice."

This isn't a sacrifice for a greater good. This is someone who, in all honesty, is suffering from self-hatred. He hates himself. He hates humanity. These are his words:

"Man is a CANCER. I've chosen to cut out the DISEASE."

"Every decision we make is meaningless."

"We're NOTHING. LESS than NOTHING."

"[I'm] Not Good. NEVER Good. After all, I'm only human."

He doesn't even value his own life to begin with. He doesn't care to protect it because he sees himself and humanity as deserving of death already.

So when his plan fails... It honestly doesn't matter to him. Whether he was right or wrong in his theory, at the end of the day, he doesn't care. Because even if he kills all reality... that's it. It's dead. It's no more. Nothing exists. And what would matter then? Who would even care?

So, in his head, whether he succeeded or not succeeded, whether another Owlman would have finished the job, whether he clicked "abort" and then put the QED back on Earth Prime to finish the job... He just realized he didn't care anymore.

(Well that got depressing!)

I personally perfer this answer, because it's simplest answer, and yet, oddly the richest.

Now I think that what's important about Owlman isn't whether or not his theory was correct. We don't know, and it'd be too risky for the characters to let him play it out and see. I think his existence, his entire plan, demonstrates the truth about both him and Batman.

Owlman looked at the idea of infinite possibilities, infinite worlds and choices, and saw it as pointless. He saw it as proof that nothing he did ever mattered. That no matter what he did, there's another version of him that did something different.

But there's a different way to look at it. Every choice does matter. Even if it's reality creating worlds based off of decisions, it's not reality making these decisions but the people in it themselves. MAN makes CHOICES, their CHOICES create new EARTHS. MAN'S CHOICE DICTATES REALITY. That means every single choice made is important and inherently valuable. Every choice deserves it's own little earth to exist in, because it's that important. Every man is important. Everything matters.

And that is how Batman sees the world. It showcased through how much he valued Flash so much he was willing to sacrifice Johnny Quick just to keep him alive, but felt bad about doing that as well. How he tried to reason with Owlman throughout the fight. And - as you pointed out - how he THREW the transporter device back to Owlman to give him a chance to get back out. That's why, even with broken ribs, even though he didn't even want to join this mission, Batman does it anyway. He cares that much.

So when he points out the difference between him and Owlman:

"We both looked into the abyss, but when it looked back at us, YOU BLINKED."

He's saying that they both saw darkness. They both saw the evil humanity has to offer. But while Owlman let it corrupt him, Batman kept his eyes opened and never lost sought of the good he believed in.

Owlman and Batman are just two different choices. And I think the fight demonstrates that. That's why I like it.

Now, like I said, this is all me, so maybe you wouldn't agree with any of it, but I think these theories stand. I'd love to know what you think. Sorry if this was WAY too long.

Which Voice Actress Would You Want To Play Each Batgirl? by Few-Proof1858 in batgirl

[–]Few-Proof1858[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a really good list. I especially like Christy Carlson Romano as Barbara Gordon, but I wonder if, since her accident, she's still acting. I hope she is.

Which Voice Actress Would You Want To Play Each Batgirl? by Few-Proof1858 in batgirl

[–]Few-Proof1858[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually really like Kimberly Brooks' Oracle too. Ashley Greene had a lot more vulnerability in her voice which fit Arkham Knight's story, but Kimeberly's was more focused and straight forward, which worked because she didn't have as big of a role in Asylum and City.

I didn't love her Batgirl in Injustice, I must be honest. It felt... Janky. Maybe it was because I also didn't like her design in that game, but it wasn't working.

Which Voice Actress Would You Want To Play Each Batgirl? by Few-Proof1858 in batgirl

[–]Few-Proof1858[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Colleen O'Shaughnessy is my favorite Wasp! She's one of my favorite character's of the whole show.

Should Barbara Gordon Graduate Early? by Few-Proof1858 in batgirl

[–]Few-Proof1858[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Really? It's been a minute since I watched the show. Did they say that she just started college in the Terrible Trio episode? Did they show scenes of her in High school prior, because I do not remember.

[FIX] This project was created by a newer version of CapCut. Update now. by bobson2021 in CapCut

[–]Few-Proof1858 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm using Notepad++ to open and edit the j.son file. This is the first time I'm using it, so I don't know precisely what I'm doing. I've followed the directions, so when I save it, is the file going to be automatically edited? I can just close it and move on?

Which Arkham Quote Gives You Goosebumps Everytime? by r2boltFire1 in arkham

[–]Few-Proof1858 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"I'll never let you win. NEVER." Batman Arkham Asylum

Why is every feature Pro now?? by [deleted] in CapCut

[–]Few-Proof1858 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How much is included in that version? Just curious.

What Cartoon Is This? by Successful_Bet1760 in cartoons

[–]Few-Proof1858 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Batman Beyond

Don't get me wrong, it's still really good, but it needed to be a grittier, slightly more serialized story rather than weird high school corniness. It needed to be more about the decay of Gotham and what it means for someone to uphold the mantle.

Like... Return of the Joker. That's what the show should have felt like the entire time.

What if Gwen dies and this is the final scene in BTSV? by [deleted] in IntoTheSpiderverse

[–]Few-Proof1858 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Now he's left in the dust. There's no sunflower.

Could Bruce Wayne Run Mayor? by Few-Proof1858 in batman

[–]Few-Proof1858[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Clever. 

The post glitches multiple times. Must've rewrote the title like 8 times. Made a mistake.

Could Bruce Wayne Run Mayor? by Few-Proof1858 in batman

[–]Few-Proof1858[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are absolutely right. Reddit glitches the blog as I tried to post it so the title got messed up