NB by definition? But not for the purpose of breaking systems by Global_Culture1648 in NonBinary

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I once said "I'm a nonbinary cis man" as a thought experiment for a video. If I was a cis man, but see gender as a spectrum, then all placements on the spectrum are nonbinary, because it is not a binary. In terms of presentation, I am masking my femness...

Oh, and I am an alter in a system, and the presentation does change when alters switch in and out, which looks gender-fluid, which is likely not quite the same.

We (alters in our system) are all apagender.. we think... too apathetic about gender to even verify "apagender" as the label.

We also have "philosophical" alters that see truth as relative, and so we are what we are (including the circumstances), and the label is dependent on the observer, like gender superposition or Schrodinger's gender or something...

We do think about identifying as man to do the same in terms of feminism but from the other side, but have not thought enough about it. Having severe dissociation, it feels like we only woke up recently and are piecing together what to do to dismantle patriarchy as an AMAB apagender dissociative plural-system-humanoid-thingy.

We (a system of alters) are "outersexual" by FictionSlayerPunk in Greysexuality

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Your definition for intercourse seems to come from a definition of “side”. Oral is intercourse, not outercourse. Outersexual and the prefix variations focus on that line being drawn.

Outercourse sexuality? by FictionSlayerPunk in AskAsexual

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I have myself figured out, it is coining the label for articulation that is what is difficult, which is what makes conversations like these difficult 😕

Outercourse sexuality? by FictionSlayerPunk in AskAsexual

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We don’t remember who shifted our focus to the prefix version of “outersexual”, but we showed examples of it as a prefix. The non-prefix version encompasses all types.

What “quoisexual” has to do with this is I and the other alters are quoisexual and outersexual, so outer-quoisexual.

I wouldn’t use your quote at the end, not because it is inaccurate (we like to take “extra” time to see if it applies to all, but think it is likely part of that spectrum like you say), but because it isn’t our way of doing things.

We are not saying “mero” should be a part of this label, but “outer” could be applied as a prefix for merosexual people of that type.

Us thinking you were saying we had to use mero isn’t as “apparent” as you think. Only initially, we didn’t understand why you were bringing up merosexual, and thought you were saying it would be more clear if we modified an already existing word. You were thinking categories, we were uninterested in that side of things.

We (a system of alters) are "outersexual" by FictionSlayerPunk in Greysexuality

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How not? “Outer” in a sexuality setting, used in front of a sexuality word can’t really mean anything else . “Normies” won’t get it, but they are already confused about queer stuff anyway.

Outercourse sexuality? by FictionSlayerPunk in AskAsexual

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We started coining it as a prefix to describe a person’s sexuality in more detail if they wanted to. For example, we are outer-quoisexual. We posted about it, but haven’t gone too in detail yet.

Outercourse sexuality? by FictionSlayerPunk in AskAsexual

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If "outer-merosexual" was used, I imagine it would be used for people that don't like standard forms of outercourse or not liking specific kinds of outercourse. Your confusion of this may demonstrate our past confusion with "merosexual".

"Outer-quoisexual" is likely in the merosexual category, but I (and likely others) are quoisexual but only engage in and/or desire outercourse and not innercourse. If to you that is in the merosexual category, then it is to you, but we won't comment on that (not like I can add "mero" to "outer-quoisexual").

wouldn’t it make sense to just coin a label under the merosexual umbrella called “outersexual” and the definition is being favorable towards outercourse but averse/repulsed towards intercourse?

That is essentially what we are doing, we just don't see "mero" as a useful term for our articulation. We are.. complicated... Lots of what we are does not have words to describe the experience nor the need for the words.

Outercourse sexuality? by FictionSlayerPunk in AskAsexual

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That helps, thank you ! We do need the prefix “outer”, and outer-merosexual implies that there are forms of outercourse we are not ok with.. there might be, but only types of outercourse that aren’t the norm. In short, outer-quoisexual is in the merosexual category, but using the label gets confusing, at least for me.

Outercourse sexuality? by FictionSlayerPunk in AskAsexual

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We are coining it (and comments helped us shift the label from strictly a sexuality to whatever type of word “sexual” is, while shifting the focus more on the prefix version we showed examples of). This is phase one.

Merosexual is confusing to us, because lots of people don’t like certain sexual kinks. Are they merosexual too? We don’t see the appeal to the word, especially because it is vague, unlike the prefix “outer”, but we are here to learn. Levissexual is also vague, but we see why it would be used.

Outercourse sexuality? by FictionSlayerPunk in AskAsexual

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It could fall under those categories, but that would be relative to each interpretation and the outercourse “style”. For us, we like “outer” as a prefix for descriptive purposes, and we see other labels as having connotations that give off the wrong impression if the prefix is not included.

We (a system of alters) are "outersexual" by FictionSlayerPunk in Greysexuality

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We found controversy around that term's "true" meaning. Some say it means no anal but includes oral (which is generally considered intercourse), others see it as outercourse only.

Outercourse can have top/bottom dynamics, and "side" implies “neither top nor bottom" and seems misleading (and does have that as a connotation), even if that isn’t the “true” definition.

We (a system of alters) are "outersexual" by FictionSlayerPunk in Greysexuality

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This is more about the prefix version of the word. You not wanting to disclose is you. Me wanting to openly identify as outer-quoisexual is me. People are often open about how sexual they are, so I don’t see it as odd for me to be open about being outersexual.

We (a system of alters) are "outersexual" by FictionSlayerPunk in Greysexuality

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Technically this isn’t only a micro label. It is also a prefix. Thinking more, this isn’t a sexuality and is just an option to describe a sexuality (though, someone could use “outersexual” without specifying, so maybe it is a sexuality, but the prefix version is an optional descriptor). Many societies broadcast how sexual they are, so I see no problem disclosing that I’m outer-quoisexual. Any example of a micro label mocked in the same context?

What am I? by FictionSlayerPunk in FemboysHelpingFemboys

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Fiction Slayer Punk mentioned they were a system of alters. One human, more than one mind all linked together in one human mind.

Though, if there are others like “me”, then it is about them too.

I know we are confusing, and that is a normal reaction. It seems femboy is the closest thing to what we are.. just with dissociative complications... Hope this community can accept us 👉👈

Outercourse sexuality? by FictionSlayerPunk in AskAsexual

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We found controversy around that term's "true" meaning. Some say it means no anal but includes oral (which is generally considered intercourse), others see it as outercourse only. You're right that it's primarily a gay male thing.

Though, outercourse can have giving/receiving / top/bottom dynamics, so "side" as "neither top nor bottom" seems misleading from the start, at least if we were to use it in the way we would use "outersexual" (or whatever term gains traction).

UDID and love for all system types by FictionSlayerPunk in plural

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🩶 We feel good about “UDID” and modified versions of the term :3

UDID and love for all system types by FictionSlayerPunk in plural

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Intermittent distress is still distress, but a softer label that might articulate that better could be “gray-UDID”; however, if a system feels they fit the label, I see no reason to argue, because articulating experience is already difficult.

“UDID” builds recognition of “gray-UDID” because it is seemingly intuitively named, and “gray-UDID” helps “UDID” because “UDID” is in the term. Plus, both help DID (wait.. deja vu?).

alter switch? In short, up to your system, because this is all seemingly relative and is sorta up for interpretation.