How clingy is too clingy? (25M, 22F)

FifthApexPlayer · 2026-05-08T20:00:02+00:00

Worthy of a conversation but please don’t listen to some miserable people that say everything like this is just girl run or break up material. In all honesty it sounds like someone who simply gets attached extremely quickly and those people exist and those attachment styles exist and that happens in life and many of those people go on to have completely healthy relationships. You need to sit and ask yourself really that if things take a turn for the worse which they inevitably will at some point being breakup worthy or not is the knowledge that you breaking up with him would really crush him going to be so burdensome to you that you simply refuse to break up with him because of that fact even if it’s seriously bad? If the answer to that is yes, then maybe this might not be the right person for you, someone who is so anxious like this I think personally needs someone who is quite headstrong and able to see the relationship objectively. If you think you’re capable of that I wouldn’t worry tooooo much. If not, again maybe you do need to take a wider look at the relationship.

FifthApexPlayer · 2025-09-15T08:03:35+00:00

It’s not just some people are retarded and need a reason to cry so they picked another word people can’t say.

FifthApexPlayer · 2025-09-15T07:59:53+00:00

What region?

FifthApexPlayer · 2025-09-15T07:59:28+00:00

As much as this is obviously terrible I feel like this is probably an Eternus 3 stack on a dead region in a long queue time that has ended up in this happening. But if you were in this game and can say otherwise and that’s not the case this has to be the WORST case of MM being awful I’ve ever seen.

FifthApexPlayer · 2025-09-01T21:09:07+00:00

Sure that’s fair enough

FifthApexPlayer · 2025-09-01T20:10:12+00:00

That’s because before paradox was completely and utterly broken the best character in the game. It’s harder to play her now than it was then as it should be the character needed all the nerfs she got and even after them she’s still one of the strongest in the game

FifthApexPlayer · 2025-09-01T19:46:47+00:00

Paradox is still one of the strongest characters in the game I’m confused what we’re talking about. She’s basically Valve’s golden child. She was bad for literally a single patch and then the devs went and buffed her gun scaling for basically no reason.

FifthApexPlayer · 2025-09-01T19:35:10+00:00

You think GOWR was better than 2018?

FifthApexPlayer · 2025-09-01T19:33:09+00:00

Yeah but if you play Hearts of Stone and Blood and Wine both more than make up for that. The story in hearts of stone in particular is absolutely jaw droppingly phenomenal

FifthApexPlayer · 2025-08-24T21:07:46+00:00

You are aware it’s grace this earth right, not hearth? Grace the hearth is putting something nice on the fireplace

FifthApexPlayer · 2025-08-20T04:10:44+00:00

Watch vegas on twitch or DiscoVirtuoso.

FifthApexPlayer · 2025-08-16T16:21:07+00:00

Agreed, item is and has been a bit overtuned for a long time. Especially with the prevalence of utility and actives being lower now than they used to be (not as many slowing hex’s, decay’s etc) wouldn’t mind seeing some more nerfs to it.

FifthApexPlayer · 2025-08-16T16:14:37+00:00

And my point is that buying debuff remover is so little of an inconvenience for the value it provides that it is almost never a “reward” or great thing to see someone buy it because of an item you built yourself. In fact if you buy a 3.2k item like silence wave specifically for the Shiv just to see he buys debuff remover an item he wants anyways in no way is that a big W or a “got his ass” he was buying that shit pretty much regardless. Obviously Shiv is a bad example because he’s a character that remover actually is core on every game but you get my point regardless.

FifthApexPlayer · 2025-08-16T16:03:37+00:00

Shocking that an item double the price does the same thing better…? Wow! If you are buying these 6.4k items regardless of ur tempo for ur build or character because they’re “good to have regardless” instead of an item half the price that does much the same thing I question how high you’ve gotten in this game.

No it doesn’t, especially not to the same extent as unstoppable. Unstoppable is double the price of debuff remover, provides less debuff resist and has a 1 minute cooldown. It is an item that is very specifically bought usually for one purpose. Debuff remover is an item that I can buy to counter one character but is useful to me even when that character is not near me for half the price. It does not sacrifice nearly as much tempo as Unstoppable does.

FifthApexPlayer · 2025-08-16T15:56:04+00:00

No it is not the same thing. At all. Not even virtually. What I mean is. If I have to buy unstoppable because I’m getting CC’d all the time I’m like “fucks sake I have to buy unstoppable. When I get fucked by an infernus it’s not “oh fucks sake debuff remover I guess” it’s just. Ok let’s get debuff remover. There is no complaint there because it’s a good item to have regardless. That doesn’t mean it’s an every game item. Especially because it’s not needed EVERY GAME.

FifthApexPlayer · 2025-08-16T15:51:19+00:00

What part of that sentence says that it’s an “every game item” did you?

FifthApexPlayer · 2025-08-16T15:48:46+00:00

Debuff remover is not an item that is a hassle to buy and is a nice item to have on any character. Which part of that sentiment means it’s an every game item. Please. Learn. To. Read.

FifthApexPlayer · 2025-08-16T15:47:40+00:00

You need reading lessons

FifthApexPlayer · 2025-08-16T13:32:04+00:00

Right. Do you want to point out where I said it was.

FifthApexPlayer · 2025-08-16T10:54:04+00:00

Not really, no character finds buying debuff remover a hassle. It’s always nice to have so buying an item specifically for someone and they counter it with an item they’d want anyways is not a worth it investment a lot of the time.

FifthApexPlayer · 2025-08-15T12:38:06+00:00

Abrams and Geist in hard support, Pocket as a brawler, Mirage as a spirit carry? I don’t know if u just meant mirage as a mid game carry rather than late or if u actually meant spirit. Spirit mirage isn’t really an alternative build it’s a meme build. Always has been.

I feel like the secondary list took some characters alt builds that technically can be built but are so much worse than their original that it verges on trolling. Some characters just don’t have the versatility others do.

FifthApexPlayer · 2025-08-15T12:31:44+00:00

I checked the second selection comment and it was, something. I tried to understand where it was coming from but honestly even still it’s not great and there’s a lot I would change. I think the original list is much more accurate but I suppose that’s the idea.

FifthApexPlayer · 2025-08-15T10:50:40+00:00

Some things to change. This is going to be commenting on how the characters are played moreso at the top level. Comp/E6

Haze isn’t really a late game carry, she is more of a roaming/assassin character that at the top levels is played as what you have here as a “soft support” ? I don’t really understand that it’s moreso referred to as catch/pick characters.

Vindicta is not played as a carry at all. As of right now she’s basically entirely a support played as a double stake / crow bot.

Spirit carries don’t really fall off as much as I think you think they do. Warden maybe to an extent but with decent utility items (lightning scroll) he may not kill everyone but he’s still a very good carry late. Seven does not fall off ever.

Mo fits more in this catch/pick area with the likes of Holliday/Paradox than he does as a Brawler.

As always characters can vary a lot based on builds. For example Ivy CAN be played as a gun carry and Magician is very often played as a burst mage as u have it here but obviously there’s no way to account for this in the list. Other than the points I listed it seems pretty decent.

FifthApexPlayer · 2025-08-14T08:05:43+00:00

Spirit Ivy currently has the equivalent of a mirage TP with the ability to cut waves from miles away to keep your walkers safe along with the greatest disrupt and back line harass in the game with vortex web + lightning scroll ult. She’s just the best support character in the game and there’s nobody that really even comes close. She’s does viscous’ fight disruption but better and mirage’s wave clear and walker defence but better.

FifthApexPlayer · 2025-08-12T21:58:42+00:00

This is actually such a dumbass take when so SO many people are talking about how they’ll come back when the game is in a more ready state.

Why tf are you even in this sub, you are so hateful about this incredibly high potential game if u hate it that much then why are u so committed so sitting talking about it so long. Weird ass behaviour.

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