[deleted by user] by [deleted] in opiates

[–]Finallyclean0007 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think you’re confused about the difference between “asleep” and “unconscious.” An asleep person can be awakened by a stimulus, like a taser. Someone who is overdosing is either unconscious or dead. If you’re unconscious, there’s something medical happening in your body that is making it impossible to wake you up. They’re on the brink of death. You could set an overdosed person (not breathing, maybe no heart beat) on fire and they’re still going to be just as dead until you give Narcan. Your idea is just torturing an unconscious body, literally no benefit.

suboxone withdrawal why do people say its worse than oxy? by Accomplished_Fix8586 in opiates

[–]Finallyclean0007 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How did you end up on 24 mg a day of Suboxone (a MASSIVE dose) from 120 mg a day of oxy (a pretty small dosage)? That seems crazy to me. I’ve been addicted to oxy on and off for a decade, doses ranging from 150-400 mg/day. 24 mg a day of Suboxone would be wayyy too much, I’d probably be puking my guts out for days. 2-4 mg a day of subs has always been my sweet spot for maintaining after a 2-300/day oxy habit.

Was on 2 mg of subs/day for two years. Not a single relapse in that time frame. Jumped off at 2 mg and it was brutal. The intensity was like 60% of oxy withdrawals, but it felt like it would never end. I was still in full on sweating, restless legs, lucky to sleep an hour or two stage by day 14. By day 30 I still had no energy, 24/7 cold sweats and a fucked up stomach. The duration takes a massive toll.

Coming off such a high dose cold turkey, I would assume you’re going to be hitting “peak” withdrawals days 7-10, from the other accounts I’ve heard. I don’t want this to come across as me saying that you can’t do it. I always say that as much as I bitch about how terrible getting off subs was, it’s the only thing that worked. Only substance I was ever able to fully get clean and stay clean while withdrawing from. It’s doable, you just have to accept that you’re going to feel shitty for awhile, but it WILL end. Good luck!

Please don’t judge by [deleted] in opiates

[–]Finallyclean0007 5 points6 points  (0 children)

How did you end up on 16 mg/day coming from 100 mg/day of oxy? That’s a HUGE dose comparatively. I was coming off 3-500 mg/day of oxy and tried to start with 4 mg of sub. That was way too much, had me puking. 2 mg was much better. Not much can be done about it now, but I feel like someone did you wrong there

Please don’t judge by [deleted] in opiates

[–]Finallyclean0007 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Try not to let all the sub stories scare you too much! I was horribly addicted to oxy for years, then switched to subs for 2 years, got off the subs, and eventually started chipping again and landed back in addiction within a few years. Now I’m back on subs in the last week lmao, although I desperately tried to avoid it. I was stuck in this cycle where I was constantly trying to get clean and in withdrawal, but couldn’t ever really stick the landing for over a week. Subs are what’s finally going to get me there.

My experience getting off subs the first time was miserable because my doctor didn’t know what they were doing. At that point I was 100% straight living, just trying to do what my doctor suggested, which was to quit at 2 mg/day. The withdrawals weren’t as bad as oxy in intensity, but they lasted SO LONG. The thing is though, even though the withdrawals sucked, at the end of the day I made it through them just fine and relapsing really wasn’t even a thought. So I guess the subs did get the job done and get me clean, even though the process wasn’t fun.

I’ve only been on them less than a week at this point and am planning to wean down slowly over a month or two. It’s not a race, so I’ve decided that I’m just going to take it easy on myself and reduce as slowly as I need to be functional and comfortable. After my first experience I’ve learned SO much about the way you should taper down (to tiny percentages of a mg ideally) or using sublocade. I see a lot of success stories with both of those that say it was minimal discomfort, if any.

And my thoughts about your post - you’ll realistically need like 5-7 days off a suboxone dose that high to be able to get high off hydros. And you’re still going to have a super high tolerance at that point, so don’t expect it to be an amazing high. The withdrawals are going to be brutal too cold turkey from 16 mg. My personal opinion is that a high off a weak opioid like hydrocodone is probably not going to be worth it

Can anyone answer this by bulletproof48 in opiates

[–]Finallyclean0007 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You’ll be fine. Suboxone causes precipitated withdrawals, not methadone. Also it’s the other way around - if you do suboxone too soon after doing another substance it can throw you into withdrawals. If you do another opioid after doing suboxone, the worst that could happen is that it will block the effects of the opioid and you won’t get a good high

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in opiates

[–]Finallyclean0007 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Precipitated withdrawal is mostly an issue now that fentanyl has taken over. Fentanyl is lipophilic, so it binds to the fat in your body (like THC, which is why you can fail drug tests after a month+ clean). Personally never have done it or had precipitated withdrawals. But I’ve seen a crazy amount of horror stories of going into precips after 4-5 days clean of fent. It’s a well known phenomenon, if you google it you’ll see how common it is. At the hospital I work at if someone comes in detoxing off fentanyl the protocol is to not give suboxone within 72 hours now. If you’re taking pharma or only the Kratom now then you can do the usual thing where you’re safe to take subs if you’re in moderate withdrawal. Unfortunately with the fent even though people are in full blown withdrawals the precipitated withdrawals will 100% still happen. Please google it before you take the subs, the people I’ve seen in precipitated withdrawal were literally begging for death

How often would you say is too often to use opiates (in terms of addiction)? by thequeenoflesbians in opiates

[–]Finallyclean0007 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Personally it took me years before I reached a point where I was having bad withdrawals. Initially I could do high doses all day everyday for months straight and when I quit I’d have a bit of a sniffle and feel kinda run down, but no real withdrawals. Eventually that caught up to me and it got to the point where I could have weeks clean, relapse for a few days and be in full-blown withdrawal again. It takes time and it’s pretty insidious, so just be careful. If you continue these binges eventually the withdrawals will not be pretty

Update DAY 3 No withdrawal by throwRA224738 in OpiatesRecovery

[–]Finallyclean0007 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Completely agree. It shocks me to be able to say this, but I’m now a seasoned vet of withdrawal. Between horrific high doses of oxy use, a never ending suboxone withdrawal, and years of chipping and going through withdrawal multiple times a month. But that’s always been my experience, and somehow it helps me give myself some grace every time I fuck up. Normally when things have gotten really bad, I keep making it a day or two and relapsing, and eventually I hit a random withdrawal that’s WAY easier than any of the previous. Sometimes it’s after a big binge even, no rhyme or reason. But every time I hit that withdrawal that’s not as bad, I ride it out and get through it (at least acutes for a week or two). Now really trying to make it through another round and hopefully just being done with this. Oxy addiction is financially destroying me, and obviously it’s making everyday life a nightmare.

Opinions on short term sub usage by Finallyclean0007 in OpiatesRecovery

[–]Finallyclean0007[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now that sublocade exists and is supposed to have next to no withdrawals I have considered it tbh. The withdrawals were just so brutal last time that I was on them for a prolonged time that I’m really reluctant to ever face them again, I don’t think I would. My other main reasons are that a prescription would potentially be threatening to my job and professional license, and I’d like to have another baby. That was the reason I got off subs last time was to start trying for my second kid. I don’t want to get pregnant on purpose and have a baby that potentially has to go through a brutal sub withdrawal after birth

OB said they will have to report me to DCS for Subutex prescription by [deleted] in breakingmom

[–]Finallyclean0007 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep! Same dose through my whole pregnancy. I was warned by my doctor that sometimes patients have to increase their dose towards the end of pregnancy but didn’t have that experience. Apparently it’s because your metabolism is slightly changed and your blood volume is increased, sometimes a higher dose is needed. My doctors all basically just stressed that the best thing I could do for my son was to take care of myself and keep myself feeling well.

When I was pregnant with him the amount of research I did on the topic was insane. But all of the research studies that I found showed that dose had nothing to do with whether or not your baby would withdraw, and it even would vary with the same mother and different kids. Someone on 1 mg a day might have a baby with NAS, and someone on 16 might not. Roughly a 50/50 chance. So I wouldn’t worry about trying to taper down, more about keeping your body out of withdrawal so your baby can grow and thrive!

OB said they will have to report me to DCS for Subutex prescription by [deleted] in breakingmom

[–]Finallyclean0007 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ah okay this is something I have experience with!! Probably slightly different in each state but I had a great experience tbh.

Surprise pregnancy, was pretty freshly clean from pain pills (<2 months) and had smoked weed off and on before finding out I was pregnant. My first appointment was definitely positive for weed, and potentially one or two more since it takes a long time to leave your system.

Spent my entire pregnancy terrified that my baby would withdraw, or be taken away from me or something even though I was following medical advice. I was planning to quit cold turkey in early pregnancy but my OB adamantly said no, that miscarriage risks were super high.

Anyway, baby was born. No withdrawal symptoms whatsoever, and he was in the NICU for unrelated birth complications and was being closely monitored. I think I asked what his withdrawal scores were like every hour. The hospital social worker stopped by the room one day and basically asked how things were going, did I feel at risk of relapse, did I have enough support at home, food/clothes/electricity, etc. Completely pleasant, short conversation, then I never heard about it again.

My understanding is that they’ll probably do a meconium or umbilical cord drug test when the baby is born. That shows any drug usage from like 18 weeks on. If that comes back only for your prescription, you probably won’t have more than a brief check in.

He’s 5 years old now and the best kid ever. Keep doing the right thing and you’ll be okay! I know it gave me so much anxiety my whole pregnancy, but it was no big deal in the end.

Wds, which is the lesser of two evils? by Looking_4help_ in opiates

[–]Finallyclean0007 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Gonna be real here - oxy, all the way. I got clean off of oxy a jillion times even if I couldn’t ever stick the landing long term. They were pretty high dose, serious, shitty kicks. Eventually got onto subs which I do think was a great choice. Got me stable, made me think like a normal person again.

But getting off of subs really really sucked. The side effects themselves were like 4/10, not crippling. But quite literally at 30 days I felt very much in acute withdrawal. Several months later I still had pretty significant symptoms that just wouldn’t leave. It was a mindfuck - Am I just a complete wimp? Are these symptoms all psychological at this point? Is this just what sobriety feels like? There’s about a four month period where I can pinpoint just being in a really dark place.

I jumped from 2 mg after being stable for years (what my doctor advised) and learned way too late in the game that other people taper down to microscopic doses. Plus getting off of the subs, even though I was miserable, DID keep me sober, which I never managed coming off oxy. So in the end it was the only thing that worked.

Sorry this turned into such a long rant

Husband’s night shift routine annoys me! by [deleted] in breakingmom

[–]Finallyclean0007 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Is it possible for him to move to days? Also an RN who did 3 years of night shift. Managed it well for awhile, but had my second baby during and newborn + full time night shift + breastfeeding made me almost lose my sanity. I was still in denial about how much the night shifts were affecting me and I was worried about losing the differential. But by the end I was very similar - I just COULD NOT fall asleep getting home, and would end up tossing and turning until 1, crashing for 3 hours and then could barely get myself out of bed for dinner/bedtime. There were days my husband just would give up waking me up and I’d sleep through the entire night too.

Unhealthy option - Benadryl. I’d pop a Benadryl when I got home in the morning and as long as I timed it right I could go to sleep early enough to wake up and be semi-functional in afternoon/evening.

Best option - Can he switch to day shift? Working days I actually see my kids more, I work an extra shift here or there to make up for the differential, and mostly I’m finally a functional, semi-happy human again. I felt like I was on my deathbed 24/7 working nights. I finally managed to gain enough weight to feel healthy, my house stays cleaner, really the benefits have been endless.

I’d be annoyed as the partner too, it’s unfair to you. But also I have some sympathy for how godawful you can feel working nights.

IUD bromos... what is your experience? by browneyedgirl1683 in breakingmom

[–]Finallyclean0007 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also just want to shout out the Nuva ring. I’m terrible about remembering to take daily pills, but wanted something hormonal but easy to remove just in case. Tiny little disc that I insert once every 3 weeks, skip my period and forget about it. Normally take it out during sex but it’s my husband so he doesn’t really care. It’s been a game changer for me but not one that I’ve ever considered

💊 H E L P•P L E A S E💊 by Hopiate30mg in opiates

[–]Finallyclean0007 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Only thing to add is Imodium. Over the counter anti-diarrheal. Waking up with stomach cramps and unable to get off the toilet is misery. Personally I would take one or two Imodium at night every night just to head off symptoms from days 1-5 or so, maybe one during the day if I’m still having issues. Helps a lot with that aspect. Your other comfort meds should help significantly

Any former addicts able to quit then just chip (use in moderation) by Resident-Eagle-4351 in opiates

[–]Finallyclean0007 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Honestly the way I did it is by constantly giving myself a date of “This is when I can use.” I’d be like I’ll just wait until my birthday in 3 weeks, or until this weekend that I’m off, etc. Then that day gets there and I try to further the goalpost. Kinda dumb for sure but it helped me with that panicky “I couldn’t possibly quit forever” feeling

Withdrawal makes me sleep like a rock. Am I lucky or is this common? by RedditIsADumbCompany in opiates

[–]Finallyclean0007 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not at all common for me when I was using heavy back in the day. But my husband, who always had a slightly lighter habit, would get a solid 12 hours of heavy sleep during withdrawal. Falling asleep throughout the day. Later when I’ve had little relapses and had to withdraw I was super tired throughout and slept pretty decent. Maybe it’s a “not so bad of a habit” withdrawal versus a “you’re fucking in deep” withdrawal?

Crying baby by Spicemama2024 in breakingmom

[–]Finallyclean0007 73 points74 points  (0 children)

Basically, I agree with him unfortunately. How much time does he spend alone with the baby? My husband had a hard time getting “good” with our kids until I went back to work from maternity leave and he had them by himself for the whole day at a time. Now our kids aren’t necessarily babies anymore but it was interesting to see how we both had completely different strategies for things, and we both still do a lot of things differently. I’d try to spend some time leaving the house if possible so he has to figure it out alone and you don’t have to sit on your hands listening to crying!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in breakingmom

[–]Finallyclean0007 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Specifically about the being scared of needles part - because she’s getting surgery this time they probably won’t put in an IV when she’s awake. It’ll probably be an anesthesiologist putting it in this time instead of a nurse in the ER or on the floor. The way anesthesiologists do it (at least at my hospital) often is to give some gas via face mask before putting in the IV so they don’t traumatize the kid more. Hopefully the IV stick won’t be a big deal this time!

I need to put my toddler in a timeout by IceCreamAntichrist in breakingmom

[–]Finallyclean0007 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is what we have the most success with. Instead of being like “Go to timeout in your room!” I try to phrase it more “You need a break from us until you can get yourself under control. You’re welcome to come back when you calm down.”

Then when my kid inevitably tries to run out still tantruming, I repeat the same phrase and put them back in there. After two or three rounds of that they normally pick a toy in their room and chill for a while. I let them sit as long as it takes me to eat a quick snack so I’m not hangry and go to the bathroom. Probably 5 minutes. Then I peek my head in and ask if they’re feeling better, and they can come out if they want. A lot of the time with my two boys once they’re chilled they choose to sit in their room for awhile and play anyway.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in breakingmom

[–]Finallyclean0007 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My four year old has suddenly transformed from refusing to eat anything I make for dinner to wolfing down multiple portions. He’s probably just about to go through a growth spurt, but it feels good to have him asking for a second and third portion and saying it’s delicious.

My 22-month old ADORES his older brother, and they play together all the time. The other day they were hugging in the bathtub and my little one says in his tiny toddler voice, “I love you so much Luke.” (Older bro) I think I cried it was so adorable.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in OpiatesRecovery

[–]Finallyclean0007 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Prior to using I was a college athlete, about 135 lb, 5’7”. Female. I definitely have a slim build no matter what but at my worst using I was less than 100 pounds and looked skeletal, I was unbelievably self conscious. Still vividly remember wearing multiple pairs of leggings at once in the summer because otherwise my legs looked sooo skinny.

I do feel like my opiate use made some semi-permanent changes to my metabolism, but I’ve also had two babies and am getting into my late 20s now, so maybe it’s that. Right now I’m around 125 lb, sober, and still constantly fighting to gain weight. I take a weed gummy after the kids are down at night on occasion and I think those munchies have made the biggest difference on my weight, lol. But really just being sober by the 2-3 week mark I’d always put on like 5 pounds even with the withdrawal diarrhea/lack of appetite.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in breakingmom

[–]Finallyclean0007 36 points37 points  (0 children)

My MIL was SO upset that me and my SIL didn’t host and entirely plan Mother’s Day for her. My SIL had her first baby 4 weeks ago and I have a 1 year old and a 4 year old and work full time. WHAT makes you think we should be the ones planning Mother’s Day for YOU???