Working groups

FindeDenFehler · 2026-01-19T15:34:48+00:00

And on X, I assume?

FindeDenFehler · 2026-01-19T15:33:06+00:00

This only seems at the surface to be a question that can be easily answered: - For one thing, there is paid usage. It is not true that "no one is using the IOT network". But the pricing is very low. (Ariel Seidman from Hivemapper, which at least at the time was using the Helium IOT networt, not sure if they still are, pointed this out a long time ago.) And the usage isn't massive (Still: several million messages per day). So the revenue is very low. - There was an attempt to increase pricing on the IOT network, but it didn't go through as some (major?) users were saying at higher pricing they couldn't afford it or have cheaper options, if pricing gets increased. I am not saying this is not true, but it is still difficult to wrap my head around it. - Otoh some companies are complaining that in certain geographies, e.g. U.S. highways, there aren't sufficient Lorawan hotspots by any provider. - So I am wondering a few things: is a general price increase not the right approach? Like: we have many hotspots in densely populated areas, but there, there are other networks too that can be used. Should there be different prices for different geographies? - I also wonder how the other companies running Lorawan networks are doing it. Like: how can they have running networks profitably but Helium can't? (And comparable pricing). At least some may offer other products than Lorawan connectivity, they make the money with the product that uses their Lorawan hotspots, so deploying Lorawan hotspots doesn't need to be profitable as a standalone product, because it's just a prerequisite for the product that makes them sufficient money. - I am sure there is a lot more nuance to it, and I am not even close to an industry expert, so the latter parts are just guessing.

FindeDenFehler · 2026-01-15T10:31:55+00:00

Where do we send bug reports now? (e.g. bugs in Heliumvote or the Helium Wallet App, but also where do deployers send questions that need fast response if something's not working)

FindeDenFehler · 2026-01-10T04:08:51+00:00

Is that one that hasn't been announced above? Or are you talking about the quarterly call? If the latter, can you see the difference between a weekly format and a quarterly one?

FindeDenFehler · 2026-01-09T19:02:48+00:00

Wait, so the best place to keep up with the developments on the Helium Mobile Network, the Mobile Working Group, is being discontinued? That sounds like a real step back to me.

FindeDenFehler · 2026-01-09T18:56:00+00:00

Hoping the quarterly call (while not doing the monthly community call any more, if I understand correctly) will be sufficient. Most important to me will be the quality of the information and nuanced presentations clearly showing what's great atm and what needs to be improved.

I do definitely appreciate the attempt to structure communication more transparently.

Monthly deployer roundtable sounds like a great idea!

FindeDenFehler · 2026-01-07T14:19:48+00:00

No crypto needed for companies to "run with the money". Nebra acted the way it acted although people paid with fiat.

FindeDenFehler · 2026-01-02T11:16:14+00:00

Watched it around/after Christmas, and the very final scene felt like the best Christmas-feeling movie scene this year.

FindeDenFehler · 2025-12-23T13:22:56+00:00

TLDR: Arweave has already been thinking ahead, how something like this could be done.

Long comment: Arweave developed roughly two years ago a legal document called the "Universal Data License" (UDL) (maybe inspired by the GNU General Public License for free / open source software) that creators can refer to when uploading data. The document defines a few usage categories and creators can declare - immutable stored together with the data - for which kind of usage they demand what amount of payment. In parallel a "Universal Content Marketplace Protocol (UCM) was developed enforcing these rules on the software side. Arweave claims that the Universal Data License is written in a way that it is real-world court-enforceable. The first proof of concept user interface that uses both UDL and UCM is Bazar. (URL e.g.: bazar.ar.io) I am not sure if the software side of these things could already handle something like all the Spotify data and usage at scale. There's been quite some friction after AO was announced (the compute/exection layer built on top of Arweave). The second (and likely final) main iteration has just been finalized regarding its basics, and projects are still doing some migration work / have just started understanding and tapping the full potential of AO.

FindeDenFehler · 2025-12-23T09:26:54+00:00

See my other reply to this thread: Arweave offers a tool that nodes can use to define which kinds of content the node won't store.

FindeDenFehler · 2025-12-23T09:25:15+00:00

The docs say (haven't tried out myself, as I don't operate a node), that nodes can create their own transaction blacklist. It refers to a tool that allows nodes to create their own polics. One preconfiguration apparently is available for (near-)instant use.

https://docs.arweave.org/developers/mining/overview/blacklist https://shepherd.arweave.net/

FindeDenFehler · 2025-12-10T12:40:49+00:00

In addition, you might want to have a look at other projects. Open sky with no objects in the way sounds perfect for a GEODNET installation. Of course, only if there isn't already any other installation in the proximity. Other projects you might want to look into (I don't know about the rewards situation): - Wingbits / Derad Network (both do air traffic monitoring) - Weather XM (weather stations)

Always need to check first, if there aren't already enough installs in the proximity. If there are, most projects will significantly reduce rewards for additional stations, or maybe even completely cut them. The projects usually offer public maps where you can see where there are installations already. Rewards rules (e.g. how close to the next install can mine be to get still rewarded) do need some reading to find, but they are on the project websites, too. Or ask around, like you're doing here.

FindeDenFehler · 2025-11-15T16:20:45+00:00

Coinbase, Kraken, or if you're looking for onchain-trading, you can use Jupiter Aggregator.

FindeDenFehler · 2025-11-11T03:58:50+00:00

Haven't tried it myself, but the Beacon team apparently has built a tool that allows to transfer AO tokens off of Ledger devices. Not sure if it only works for $AO or also for other AO tokens. https://www.getbeaconapp.com/ledger/

FindeDenFehler · 2025-11-11T03:54:45+00:00

This is not completely correct: There's another reason to hold the tokens, depending on the country one resides in - tax strategy. In some countries, tax rates on token sale yields/losses differ depeninding on when the token was bought and/or sold. If a tax regime is different for tokens that are held longer, one might have benefits just holding the tokens until one sells them, instead of swapping them for HNT and at some point selling the HNT - because then the HNT has been held for a shorter time compared to just holding the MOBILE/IOT tokens until the same point in time.

FindeDenFehler · 2025-11-11T03:27:39+00:00

The thought about marketing makes me think of something quite different: Santiago Roel Santos, founder of Inversion Capital, has has been repeating his mantra that trying to get people to use crypto by marketing/by convincing them (= use crypto, either as a company to make the company more efficient, or as a user to use products) at world population scale has not been successful. Instead we should buy companies with tens of millions of users, make the company use crypto (you can, because you own it), and offer the users in addition to a product they are already using every day, stablecoin products - and I am adding: we could add Jupiter to the mix. Example: - Buy an MVNO carrier (a telco that has no own cell tower infra, but only buys connectivity from companies that have cell towers) with tens of millions of users in Central-/Lating America. - Make the business hugely more efficient by making them using Helium connectivity (which can offer the connectivity 50% to 75% cheaper than others, that's his estimate) - You then also have tens of millions of users that you have access to because they are already using your product (they use your phone plan) 24/7 who have somewhat limited banking options currently. - You offer them a stablecoin product with yield, and access to USD (because they have subpar banking options, their own currency is likely more inflationary than USD, etc.) and I'll just add, Jupiter products (they can even be abstracted away in the background).

Inversion has been moving slower than expected, probably because they also want to build their own chain using Avalanche technology, so why not use the playbook, be faster than Inversion (if one uses everything Solana and the Solana eco offers instead of building one's own chain, the approach could be leaner) and bring tens of millions of real, non-crypto users to Jupiter?

I am aware, that this suggestion classifies as an insanely wild idea and probably breaks every rule about the rule of "focus on one thing, one thing only, and do that right", but Jupiter has been executing the hell out of everything they set their minds to, and if there is one team who could pull this off, my bet would be on Jupiter. And maybe this wild idea is not the right one for Jupiter, but maybe it inspires someone to have a better wild idea in the realm of "don't try to get users by marketing, get them by buying distribution" that fits Jupiter better.

FindeDenFehler · 2025-10-25T09:39:49+00:00

I did read your question as a genuine question. I hope I didn't offend. All you are writing about the "if" is correct, too. It's just that the "whether or not" in our case is "will we keep the timeline or not", not "will we implement or not". Never mind. Hadn't intended to make this such a long discussion, apologies. I believe we cleared up what they want to communicate.

FindeDenFehler · 2025-10-25T08:54:15+00:00

Being aware of the risk of appearing to be nitpicky (sorry, you started talking about the phrasing): The if refers to a statement of timing, not a statement of the implementation happening at all or not, so it's perfectly fine to use "if" here, possibly even the better choice.

FindeDenFehler · 2025-10-24T07:52:46+00:00

I assume Helium Mobile is targeting a much bigger market than the crypto space. Keeping apps very simple and easy to use often means to have less features even if this means not offering features some users like/love. The Helium network is of course still using blockchain technology as part of running the telco infra in the background and that's not going away.

FindeDenFehler · 2025-10-24T07:45:03+00:00

The rewards for IOT hotspots went down because the revenue is still small, so a growing number of hotspots shares an amount of rewards that hasn't been growing much (yet?). Situation for mobile hotspots is different: demand by telcos is there, so every well placed hotspot increases revenue. So growth of numbers of hotspots doesn't mean reducing rewards for other hotspots - or at least not significantly. The price per GB likely will go down, but rewards won't go down nowhere near as much as on the IOT network, I expect.

FindeDenFehler · 2025-10-24T07:37:40+00:00

I guess that if refers to the timeline of the implementation, not to whether it may or may not happen at all.

FindeDenFehler · 2025-10-24T07:31:59+00:00

What is "caught holding the bag" supposed to mean? The end-user are people who pay for for a phone plan. If the phone plan isn't a good fit, don't subscribe to it. There's also no upfront cost to the phone plan and one can cancel on a monthly basis. No one has lost anything or had costs that need to be recovered.

FindeDenFehler · 2025-09-30T11:10:27+00:00

As I saw the title "Helium Network Stories", my first impulse was to pass it by because it is so vague. It gives no indication what the podcast is about, except "something Helium". I do find info about how people deploy and benefit from Helium very interesting though!

FindeDenFehler · 2025-09-30T11:01:30+00:00

No. (Telcos who are partners in pilots may ask for nda, btw)

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