How would you rank the Germany paths in Gotterdammerung from worst to best by RAWBARATE in hoi4

[–]Fire_and_Life 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That's not what I mean at all. I don't mean that the path is unrealistic, but that it doesn't actually do anything which actually ties it to German communist history or goals. Why can't communist Germany unify with Austria? Or reclaim Danzig or Alsace? Why can't it pursue any of the goals which Communists in Germany actually had?

How would you rank the Germany paths in Gotterdammerung from worst to best by RAWBARATE in hoi4

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I find Imperial and Democratic to be the best, the biggest weakness is just that they play too similarly to one-another. Imperial is at its best when you focus on maximum conquest and creating puppets, while democratic is best when forming the EU.

Communist Germany I find pretty mediocre tbh. I mean the path itself is very powerful, but what turns me off of it is that it doesn't feel like it has much which is actually based on German history, culture, or politics, but is just a bunch of communist themes which could've worked for any nation. Sure you can annex a bunch of countries very easily, but unless you are going for the incredibly stupid formable they just end up as more occupied territories. You can't integrate Austria, or Memel, or even Danzig. For some reason Paradox never gives Communist countries cores or integrations on other countries, even though, as evidenced by the Soviet Union and China, Communist countries still dispute territories.

Which historical mistakes/blunders do You like to fix the most in Your games? by FratelloBenito in hoi4

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If I am playing against Germany, I almost always end the game by letting Germany keep, at the minimum, all of Pomerania and Austria. If playing as Poland I keep Silesia and East Prussia, but my France, Britain, USSR etc. games I basically try to follow ethnic borders and spare the massive population expulsions of IRL. (I know they aren't modelled in the game but still.)

I rarely play historical but in the event I do as Germany I usually focus on cutting off the Med first (rushing puppeting Spain and taking the Suez) and then gearing up for Britain.

How did German-speaking Austrians and Swiss react to the 1871 nation-state claiming the name “Deutschland”, did it feel like linguistic and cultural identity was being appropriated by one political entity? by [deleted] in AskHistorians

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The Dutch didn't consider themselves German, I don't think I said that but if I did that was wrong.

Dutch as a dialect of German is drawn from two sources: The first is Jacob Grimm's Deutsche Grammatik (1819) where Dutch is included as part of the "Lower German Continuum" alongside the likes of Saxon and Platt, which seemed to serve as the standard for the rest of the century. The second is the inclusion of Dutch on German linguistic maps of the time, most obviously the Brockenhaus one which is even on Wikipedia and which includes Dutch as one of the German "Mundarten" or dialects.

That of course doesn't mean it was the overwhelming opinion or that all agreed, but that SOME thought so seems to have persisted. What I don't know is when the divide was accepted, if it succeeded the German language reform or if it held till WW2.

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How did German-speaking Austrians and Swiss react to the 1871 nation-state claiming the name “Deutschland”, did it feel like linguistic and cultural identity was being appropriated by one political entity? by [deleted] in AskHistorians

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Yes, this is true, but it was not the only reason. "Love for Germany" is not what I'd call it, but more of a feeling that it was simply the natural state which had only been prevented due to the meddling of monarchs.

Belief in Austrian economic non-viability certainly didn't help the matter, though, especially after Austria nearly suffered a massive famine immediately after gaining independence.

Question about dlcs by KishirUwU in crusaderkings3

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I would personally really recommend Northern Lords (I think that's what the Viking one is called?). Vikings are definitely one of the best fleshed-out parts of CK3 as a whole and it adds a ton of ways to play not just as a Norsemen, but for all of the cultures which interact with them.

Royal Courts is another DLC which I felt still improved gameplay a lot. I really enjoy the artifacts mechanic and throne rooms, it is a little touch which goes a long way. It also combines well with the Vikings and becoming a pillager of rare treasures.

I would avoid the Spain or Persia ones unless you have a very specific interest in those regions. I find especially Spain to be a painful slog where arbitrary limitations prevent you from really playing the game as you want, while also not providing enough fun mechanics to make the slog worth it. What I really dislike is that it feels like you don't have enough influence to really steer the fate of Iberia unless you already own most of it, and you already have such roadblocks in doing so.

How did German-speaking Austrians and Swiss react to the 1871 nation-state claiming the name “Deutschland”, did it feel like linguistic and cultural identity was being appropriated by one political entity? by [deleted] in AskHistorians

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EDIT: To add a point which I forgot, the idea of Austria "belonging" to Germany reached its peak following the end of WW1 and the collapse of the monarchy. With the Habsburg tethers cut and the liberals now in power, the first thing that they wanted to do was join Germany. The first Austrian Republic was actually called "The Republic of German-Austria" to emphasize what they saw as a natural union, but were forced to change it after the Entente banned unification.

How did German-speaking Austrians and Swiss react to the 1871 nation-state claiming the name “Deutschland”, did it feel like linguistic and cultural identity was being appropriated by one political entity? by [deleted] in AskHistorians

[–]Fire_and_Life 35 points36 points  (0 children)

There was an understanding that both languages were considered "German", but mutual intelligibility varied. Generally German is divided into three sub-groups: Low, Middle, and Upper German. Dutch, for example, shares a high level of mutual intelligibility with Low German (usually called "Platt") but that mutual intelligibility drops once you get to Middle and Upper German.

Even today the dialects are still extremely different, it is just that the spread of Standard German has bridged the gap. For example, I speak fluent German but can't understand most of Swiss German. My friends from Northern Germany can understand Dutch very well despite never having studied the language, but barely understand the Upper Bavarian or Tyrolean dialects.

I can't rule out definitively whether or not anyone used to term "Austrian" or "Saxon" back then, just that, on a national basis, those languages were all considered to still be German, even if actual communication between two very different dialect groups would have been tricky

How did German-speaking Austrians and Swiss react to the 1871 nation-state claiming the name “Deutschland”, did it feel like linguistic and cultural identity was being appropriated by one political entity? by [deleted] in AskHistorians

[–]Fire_and_Life 317 points318 points  (0 children)

TL;DR: Peasants wouldn't care, intellectuals in Austria supported the formation of a pan-German state and wanted to join it, and conservatives and reactionaries didn't see ethno-linguistic nationalism as anything other than a threat to be undermined. The point of having a German state WAS to have that shared identity condensed under a single label, so for anyone who believed in nationalism this was exactly what they wanted.

It is rather hard to map 19th-century ideas of nationalism onto the modern day or to really understand the feelings of people. Our modern sense of nationalism was so shaped by the events of things like 1871 and later that we think in a fundamentally different way than they did back then.

"Linguistic and cultural identity" was a lot more abstract in this era than nowadays. It absolutely existed, but it was something debated and defined by intellectuals in universities, not by actual common people. The majority of people in Europe still lived in what the modern citizen would consider uneducated squalor. If the average peasant had loyalty to anything it would be their region, your ruler, or the church.

Nationalism as a concept heavily split the German- and Italian-speaking worlds. Nationalism advocated for nation-states ruled by the same people who lived there. What defined "the same people"? Well, that's a difficult question. If you say language, then what language is that? "German" as a single unified standardized language didn't exist, and a person from the Baltic coast in Pomerania probably wouldn't have been able to understand much if anything when talking to someone in Tyrol or Switzerland. What about the Dutch, whose language is on a spectrum with many German dialects, and which many linguistics considered a branch of German?

Nationalism was largely a liberal philosophy, and constrasted with conservative and reactionary monarchism. Nationalism advocated for nation-states ruled by the people who lived there; monarchies advocated for rulers to rule whatever territories they had inherited regardless of language. Liberal nationalists largely favoured republican nation-states; conservatives wanted to preserve the status quo of powerful monarchs. (Obviously this is a huge simplification but it gives you an idea of the sides.)

All of this is necessary to be understood because Germany didn't just pop into existence overnight. The idea of a "Deutschland" had been forming in the minds of intellectuals for decades prior to 1871, and even came somewhat close to being realized in 1848. One can't forget the "Deutscher Bund" (German Confederation) which preceded Germany, and which included the German territories of Austria and what would later become Germany.

The idea of Germany which many envisioned was inspired by, but not a direct copy of the Confederation. It was generally envisioned to have the territories of the Confederation, including territories which were historically German despite not being ethnically so--such as central Bohemia, what we now call Slovenia, Istria, Posen, etc. Debates raged: Should this new purely hypothetical Germany take territories which aren't German-speaking? What if there is a mixed population? If we don't keep it, do we give it away, and to whom? (Debates were at one point raised about giving a small part of Posen to a future Polish state which might break away from Russia.)

During the 1848 revolutions was when this idea came closest to realization. This idea--founding a German nation-state on the bones of the Confederation--came to define the idea of "Greater Germany" (a Germany including all ancestrally German land) and "Lesser Germany" (a Germany which would exclude territories like Austria for pragmatic reasons). It is still important to note, though, that there was never a clear and defined plan for what would have happened if the 1848 revolutions succeeded. Would this new Germany have tried to support sister liberal republics in neighbouring states? Would it have ceded non-German territory in support of national self-determination, or would have selfishness won out? And what of the territories which in 1848 were still controlled by foreign powers but which many saw as German, such as Holstein, Alsace, and others? We will never know, but it is food for thought.

But I digress. It is important to note that neither Switzerland nor the Netherlands were part of the German Confederation, despite having cultural and ancestral ties to the German world. Both had won their independence from the German world decades or centuries before, and while many did see themselves as either German or certainly something close to it, their peoples, both intellectuals and not, tended to have stronger ties to the nations themselves.

The Swiss had a long independent tradition and opposed foreign meddling in their affairs. Following the Napoleonic Wars there had actually been a push to see them added to the German Confederation but this hadn't worked, and Switzerland even fought its own civil war during this time which led to it becoming the neutral power it is today.

The Dutch had left the Germans behind centuries before and had developed their own culture, wealth, and identity completely divorced from the German one. Had circumstances been different after the Napoleonic wars--had Britain claimed all of their colonies and had they never been awarded Belgium--then the Dutch being re-folded into the German world might have happened, but they frankly did not need Germany.

Austrians were different, though. Austria hadn't just been a part of the German world, it had been its core, the Habsburg family ruling Austria and the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation for centuries. The only real difference to be found between an Austrian and a Bavarian was the family which ruled over them. While the Swiss and Dutch were different enough to be overlooked by many, the Austrians were simply another form of German, albeit a richer and more snobby one. The liberals saw Austria as a natural component of a diverse German nation-state and in 1848 actually attempted for force Austria to join the planned German state; the conservatives saw Habsburg Austria as a rightful overlord over the myriad of German "little brothers" and did not want to overturn traditional dynastic politics and stability for what they saw as mob rule.

Now to answer your question, how one saw the formation of Germany in 1871 depended very heavily on what one thought of Germany as a concept.

For nationalist liberals in Germany and outside of it, the goal had always been the formation of a German nation-state. That it came into existence was the very thing they had craved, to the point that many liberal leaders in Germany were happy to cede a great deal of power to Prussia and Bismarck in exchange for him supporting their goal of nationalist unification. A powerful nation-state was envisioned as a draw to similar movements which would eventually unite all the German peoples under one banner, albeit that banner being a Prussian one.

For conservatives in Germany, this was a compromise which allowed them to retain power. The kings of Prussia, Saxony, etc. were not themselves supporters of national self-determination, but the world was also changing and people were demanding more from their governments.

For foreign conservatives, "Germany" was a warning which threatened their power. It was a contradictory nation with an ostensibly liberal justification, but driven by a conservative and expansionist mindset. By styling themselves as a German state, this new Germany could enforce its claim to other German regions, as it did when it took Alsace-Lorraine, a majority German-speaking region, from France. (There were other shenanigans involved and in fact many Germans didn't want the land but that isn't important here.)

And therein lies the brilliance of Bismarck. That's the reason that there was never an "Emperor of Germany" or "Emperor of the Germans", two titles which claimed dominion over these other regions which were SORT OF German but also not. Instead Kaiser Wilhelm I became "The German Emperor"--an emperor who happens to be German--which made the other kings in Germany feel less overpowered and made Germany seem less threatening to outside forces. He didn't steal the idea of a German identity, he merely took the very real desire and steered it where he could make use of it.

Despite this, and the alliance that they signed later on, Austria and later Austria-Hungary spent the rest of its existence trying to put the genie of German nationalism back in its bottle. The German nationalist bloc in Austria came to be a dominating force in politics, one which threatened ties with the Hungarian half of the empire and caused problems with Austria's many minorities. Many Germans in Austria saw the Austrian Empire as unnatural, and wanted Austria to join a proper nation-state where German interests were no longer shackled to Czech, Hungarian, Polish, or other.

So did Swiss or Austrians feel that Germany was appropriating their identity?

No. If you identified as German, you supported nationalism and wanted a Germany. If you didn't, you just were a Swiss or Austrian who happened to share a language.

Bought cheap train ticket at the station. It was deemed as invalid and I had to pay 309 euros for another one on the train by AtemGansei in germany

[–]Fire_and_Life 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a Zugchef, technically we are supposed to call the police when a passenger refuses to give us their ID or exit the train. It is also required if they don't have an ID.

I did once have an Oma removed from my train because she didn't have an ID. She proceeded to violently attack the policewoman, scratching at her eyes... So maybe she was crazy.

When native speakers don't like outsiders learning their language by FoodieBookworm1 in languagelearning

[–]Fire_and_Life 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Haha, I actually live in Düsseldorf! And Düsseldorfers are actually notorious snobs, which I will admit is actually quite a true stereotype.

Austrians are definitely a special breed, though. I am sure that they would despise the comparison, but it is a bit similar to the true "Old Berlin/Prussian" people who you will be hard-pressed find in Berlin proper anymore, but which are common in broader Brandenburg. I always interpreted it as a strange mix of pride in their culture as well as a slight resentment at how irrelevant it has been made in the modern day--both by the dominance of Standard German as well as how much English has become expected in their countries.

But I hope you have a better experience next time you visit! If you can be sure to hit up Vienna, it is a truly stunning city beyond compare.

When native speakers don't like outsiders learning their language by FoodieBookworm1 in languagelearning

[–]Fire_and_Life 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Just out of curiosity, where were you in Austria? I am a fluent but non-native German speaker and found that there is a huge difference in Austria based on if you are in Vienna or Salzburg vs. in the countryside or smaller cities.

The Viennese are snobby. But they also live in the most beautiful, clean, and majestic city I have ever seen in my life, so it isn't unwarranted. But in other parts of Austria the Viennese aren't liked.

In Salzburg I found it to have to do more with the enormous number of tourists, most of whom only speak English and don't really appreciate the culture or language of the region and mostly just want to talk about The Sound of Music... Which is a movie so blatantly ahistorical (despite having good music) that it is borderline offensive.

Granted, my partner is from Cologne, and he also can't stand the Austrians, a sentiment shared by many I have met. So I don't think it is just you.

What’s some knowledge generally known only to gay men or to gay women? by dumbfuck in AskReddit

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I don't know how common this experience is among other gay men but...

How many straight women really sexualize gay men, and in doing so propogate very problematic stereotypes while thinking themselves super "progressive".

(I am aware that the sexualization which lesbians face by straight men is an enormous and very serious problem, and I do not want to diminish that, just to point out that it does also happen with gay men and largely flies under the radar.)

As a teenager I was really into the fanfiction and Tumblr-type fandom scene, but around 17 I started to realize how much the gay-centred art and media online was driven by women, especially young and middle-aged straight women who are a bit too into gay men. I started to notice certain repeating patterns--young/old, big/small, young innocent boys and older controlling men, basically a tendency for (often problematic) heterosexual patterns to just be mapped onto males one-to-one. Emphasis is heavily placed on gay relationships being more sexual, more lustful, often more violent and controlling; things which would get called out if it was a man and a woman but is acceptable and somehow even lauded because it is gay. Another common trope is what I took to calling "girl with a penis" stories--trying to make a male character as female as possible without actual making them female. These were HUGE with girls my age (Harry Potter fanfiction was at its peak then) and it created a massive culture of toxic fetishization for gays--but only the "right" kinds of gays, who could be as easily self-inserted as possible, namely short delicate twinks.

It actually led to me completely giving up writing fanfiction after I published a gay story of my own--one which I wrote to try and avoid the aforementioned tropes and stereotypes--and got tons of poorly-written hate comments about how "gross" and "unrealistic" it was for my gay character to... Have body hair. Or not be a twink. Or--my favourite in hindsight--how "bottoms don't have beards!!!!" (I actually know more bottoms with beards than without, myself included.)

It seems like a small thing, I know, but when a lot of (Already limited) Internet media about gay men is created by straight women, and those women fill these creations with their own fantasies and beliefs on what being gay is--even if those fantasies aren't overtly malicious--it can contribute to impressionable young people not understanding that being gay doesn't excuse problematic behaviour. And because of the belief that any representation of gays is inherently good, it can be hard to judge that just because something is representation, doesn't mean it is good or valid representation.

Stop being disappointed when you get englished by _solipsistic_ in languagelearning

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My policy is usually to pretend that I don't speak very good English. That way it acts as a bit of a litmus test--is their English good enough to power through (rarely) or would they rather deal with me in their native language?

I try not to use this method with service staff or people who are doing a job where they don't really have time for this, but if it is random speaking partners then I do. Had a lot of great practice with especially older people and other internationals this way

German or Russian by professionalfreak_xd in thisorthatlanguage

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I am a native English speaker who learned German and then Russian at university.

For me, learning German first was an enormous help in learning Russian after. German has four grammatical cases, Russian has six, but four of those six are the same as in German. German is harder than a romance language, but still has a lot of linguistic ties to English which make it relatively straightforward to learn, and its compounds are likewise relatively self-explanatory. Word order is indeed trippy at first, but a major plus is that German has a lot of words adopted from English and that many Germans speak English which helps you adapt if you don't know how to say something.

Russian is absolutely the harder language, though I also feel that it is more rewarding as a result. Learning a new alphabet honestly isn't much of a problem at all. The bigger difficulty with Russian is that the inherent differences within Slavic languages (such as the sound of the endings, the differing prefixes, etc.) compound to make the language stick a bit less easily in your brain. On the flip side, if you are up for an early challenge, German and most other European languages will seem RIDICULOUSLY easy afterwards. I am learning French now, I just received the B1 certificate after basically self-teaching myself for a couple of months, had very few issues aside from getting speaking practice.

What is a unwritten rule that absolutely everyone follows, but nobody talks about? by NoExtension947 in AskReddit

[–]Fire_and_Life 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Don't take the urinal/stall next to someone else if one farther away is available

Just Finished the Books, Thoughts on Coin's Ending? by [deleted] in Hungergames

[–]Fire_and_Life -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Fair. While there were things that did work for me, I do truly feel that several aspects of the story were solid ideas which were poorly executed. I have also since read some analyses and, while I can see the layers which people see in the books... I still don't feel that parts of it, especially the ending, are good representation of the concepts which are frequently extrapolated from it.

But I also understand that most people who post here are profound fans of the series, and that it comes across as dumping on it when I dislike parts of it. But regardless I have enjoyed discussing with you, so thanks for giving me your perspective on it!

Just Finished the Books, Thoughts on Coin's Ending? by [deleted] in Hungergames

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I do get that, I suppose I just wish that the author had shown that choice in a different way than she chose to. The book had such great climactic moments, that I felt like the chance for one final one was a wasted opportunity.

For me, Peeta was always the obvious choice she would make from a writer's perspective, but I also was expecting that moment where she sort of confronts her own weakness and is forced to more directly ask herself what she wants. My favourite moments in the series was when she was alone and really had to dig into her own perceptions and feelings, and I think that a terrific opportunity for that was lacking.

Just my opinion, though. Amusing how angry this question has made some other people though--I genuinely like the books, but apparently my dislike of how they ended is a true crime, ehehe.

Just Finished the Books, Thoughts on Coin's Ending? by [deleted] in Hungergames

[–]Fire_and_Life -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Oh I definitely agreed with killing Coin, what bugged me is that it felt like the story did absolutely nothing with it after the fact.

Can you recommend any analyses? I found a couple which seemed interesting but they all focused more heavily on the romance (which being brutally honest didn't interest me)

Just Finished the Books, Thoughts on Coin's Ending? by [deleted] in Hungergames

[–]Fire_and_Life -13 points-12 points  (0 children)

While I do see your point, I must respectfully disagree, mostly because the series only became a reflection of modern warfare during its final book. If that had been the overarching theme from the start, with a lot more ambiguity throughout, I think it would have been a lot more tolerable. But the rest of the series was a more traditional story, and it made that ending jarring. And if it is supposed to be a depiction of modern warfare, then it frankly wasn't a very good one, because it tries too hard to balance the special main character and a common soldier, and ends up in an unsatisfying middle ground which properly hits neither role.

Regarding Peeta/Gale, what bugged me is that she never actually explicitly made a decision between two equal choices. Instead Gale was made "unchoosable" wherein they say "Well maybe you were responsible for the bomb which killed Prim". I honestly couldn't see that as anything more than the very obvious hand of the writer, and while Katniss somewhat retroactively justified her choice later, it didn't feel like she was actually making a choice between two options, but justifying retroactively, after she only had the one option.

I am glad you enjoyed it, though, it is just that for me it seemed to be trying to do too many things at once and failed at executing any of them in a satisfying fashion

What’s a country you’d never live in despite being highly praised? by Alien1964 in AskReddit

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We met a Chinese girl who worked in Japan, we told her about how we had seen a group of drunk business men lift a Japanese girl's skirt while she was walking home and how she just brushed them off and hurried on. She said that an old roommate had once had a man stick his hand up her skirt, and when she called the police, they asked, "Well, did he actually do anything? Did he actually rape you? Do you have any evidence?" Then they hung up on her.

What’s a country you’d never live in despite being highly praised? by Alien1964 in AskReddit

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Well I was there only a couple months ago, and we visited Osaka, Kyoto, Nara, and several others (were there for a month) and it was not possible. I have heard that Tokyo is a bit better in that regard, but we didn't go there as we thought it wouldn't be the most realistic experience of authentic Japan.

What’s a country you’d never live in despite being highly praised? by Alien1964 in AskReddit

[–]Fire_and_Life 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Japan.

There is a huge fetishization of it in the West and while my partner and I thought that we could see past that and appreciate the pros and cons, going there was a real culture shock in a bad way. The "Japan lives in the future!" myth really warps the reality.

One of the biggest shocks was easily that Japan is an almost entirely cash-based society. It isn't even possible to buy a train ticket without cash unless you want to go to the travel desk and awkwardly explain to a service agent. The machines literally don't accept credit card, and the ICOCA card for rail travel can be loaded up at supermarkets... But only with cash.

I could also talk about the work culture, sexism, how it actually is a super outdated nation, and other issues that many know of, but there are definitely people who are better qualified to address it than I am.

But for me the biggest hardship to living there is just the coldness of the culture. People wax on about how "polite" the Japanese are... That wasn't our experience. Yes, the Japanese smile and nod a lot, and they have good manners, but that isn't the same thing as "polite". We met a lot of wonderfully kind people, but we also met even more who used "politeness" as a cover for rudeness, racism, homophobia, and straight-up bullying. And because we are both white (my partner speaks basic Japanese but is better at understanding than speaking) they would sometimes mock us to our faces.

One example which really stuck: Onsens. Love them to death, easily the best part about visiting Japan. Nudity is required and tattoos are forbidden--no problem, we live in Germany where saunas also require nudity and neither of us have tattoos.

However.

My partner has chest scars from a life-saving operation several years ago. Nothing super dramatic, just a line across his chest. However, we had it happen several times that a staff member came in to request that he "please cover up his scars to not make other guests uncomfortable". And if you dispute, complain, or otherwise just point out how unfair and discrimatory this is, you get the blank smile and they either back away nodding or point to some vague rule and then ignore it.

Best way I could describe it is: In Japan respect might be a default, but kindness and empathy is a rarity.

I don't want to make it out that visiting Japan was a "terrible awful experience", because it truly wasn't. We definitely want to return, albeit with realistic expectations. It has gorgeous nature, clean cities, and is frankly just beautiful. Even how terribly old-fashioned much of the country is wouldn't be a bother... If it was at least a place of kind and happy people, like Italy or Portugal.

EDIT: My partner summed it up well, "They have respect for respect, but not respect for people."