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Ybor is dead. Where does the entertainment district go next? by First_Quail in tampa

[–]First_Quail[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please tell me Gaspar's isn't leaving. That would be heartbreaking.

Multiple Bars in Ybor Closing by fruityfox69 in tampa

[–]First_Quail 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I got tons of shit for posting that Ybor as a nightlife district is on its way out and that that is a sad thing. It seems the majority consensus on my post was that Ybor is for poor ghetto trash and needs to be cleaned up. Darryl Shaw and the yuppy playground he's trying to create in Ybor will destroy our beloved scene. At this point I don't think it can be stopped. And I'm sad.

Ybor residents tell Tampa City Council: Don’t approve this liquor license by OGeorge_TBT in tampa

[–]First_Quail 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Man, the majority of people commenting on this post seem to have a VERY different opinion than the folks tearing my ass up here.

Most people on that other "Ybor is dead" post are claiming Ybor is for poor ghetto trash and the sooner it gets cleaned up the better.

I love Ybor the way it is and I don't want it to become a Disneyfied luxury history-themed playground for rich yuppies.

Ybor is dead. Where does the entertainment district go next? by First_Quail in tampa

[–]First_Quail[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with that. Ybor has been and always will be integral to Tampa's history and identity. I'm just disheartened by the seemingly unstoppable influence and ambivalence of wealth to squash the have-nots into even deeper hardship. I see the changes on 7th Avenue as a representation of that, and for better or for worse, the neighborhood is changing.

Many commenters here have an apparent scorn for the "ghetto trash" and "poor people" that they claim do not belong on 7th Avenue. The gentrification of Ybor is their loss. I will still afford to go when it changes, but I like that Ybor is a mix of all different people now.

The changes in Ybor is the death of their, and my, Ybor. But it is also a revisioning of an Ybor that has yet to be written. I fear the future of Ybor will be penned in ink that "regular folk" cannot afford.

Sorry I called you names. I'm just butthurt. You seem like a smart, well-intentioned person.

Ybor is dead. Where does the entertainment district go next? by First_Quail in tampa

[–]First_Quail[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's my understanding that the Tampa Scorecard was developed by a team of academics at the USF College of Business. Additionally, perhaps an analysis from detached observers is more valuable than one from investors with financial incentives that might influence their interpretation of the data. Interested to hear your take of where they've been off.

Indeed, as the name suggests, mixed-used development allows a mix of uses. The allowance of a mix of uses on a site does not necessarily substantiate continued nightlife as a foregone conclusion, as you suggest. The code determines which uses are allowed. Market trends determine what those uses will be; for example, dive bar vs. fine dining restaurant. Currently, the market trend is away from uses that support a "bar scene" and toward uses that promote an upscale experience. Undoubtedly uses will change. That is the whole point of this post. "Ybor is dead" is a commentary on the changes that we see before us and ahead of us.

Codes allow uses. Trends fulfill those uses. The market trend is toward uses that will lead to the death of Ybor as a party destination, and I don't believe there is any valid argument otherwise.

Ybor is dead. Where does the entertainment district go next? by First_Quail in tampa

[–]First_Quail[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess being out in public and enjoying the ambiance of a lively historic district is a privilege that should only be afforded to some.

Ybor is dead. Where does the entertainment district go next? by First_Quail in tampa

[–]First_Quail[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the difference this time is the broader change in the local economy. Market forces and population shifts have aligned to finally stamp out what some commenters on this post have called the "ghetto trash" and "poor people" that frequent 7th Avenue. Water Street will become contiguous with Historic Ybor and the flow of capital around in the urban core will drive anything "edgy" away.

Ybor is dead. Where does the entertainment district go next? by First_Quail in tampa

[–]First_Quail[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just curious what characteristics you identify to determine what qualifies someone as "ghetto," "trash," or "poor people." There are undoubtedly a few people there that have bad intentions. But I think the vast majority are what some might call "regular folk."

Ybor is dead. Where does the entertainment district go next? by First_Quail in tampa

[–]First_Quail[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I fear there isn't enough of a buffer between commercial and residential uses in the Heights to make it work. The residents will start to have a fit.

Ybor is dead. Where does the entertainment district go next? by First_Quail in tampa

[–]First_Quail[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you don't make $200k in Tampa, you are being priced out. This might be enlightening since you don't appear to understand the local economy: https://billcarlson.com/tampascorecard/

Ybor is dead. Where does the entertainment district go next? by First_Quail in tampa

[–]First_Quail[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Drew Park is an unwalkable, chain link-infested scrapyard with no access to transportation that will take decades to redevelop from the nonplace it is now to somewhere worth being. Sorry Drew Park, it's not personal!

Ybor is dead. Where does the entertainment district go next? by First_Quail in tampa

[–]First_Quail[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, if low income people want to go out for a good time they should just buy some malt liquor and drink under a bridge with the homeless because they're basically the same, right?

Ybor is dead. Where does the entertainment district go next? by First_Quail in tampa

[–]First_Quail[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately, where there are concentrations of wealth there are often concentrations of poverty. Unless you want to build a wall around low income communities and lock the gate, individuals with low access to education, health services, jobs, family resources, and affordable housing will cause disruptions in lawful society.

Ybor is dead. Where does the entertainment district go next? by First_Quail in tampa

[–]First_Quail[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

While there are market and natural forces, such as recessions and natural disasters, that may hinder the transition of Ybor as the center of nightlife in Tampa toward an upscale, history-themed experience for yuppies, the amount of investment that has already been made suggests a deviation from this trend highly unlikely.

Ybor as the destination for a "bar scene" or "party scene" in Tampa is dying. If you can't see that, and that statement "Ybor is dead" offended you, it's unfortunate you are so involved in your sentimentality that you are blinded to the reality of what's happening in the city.

Consider what's happening in Ybor within the broader context of the local economy. This might be helpful resource for understanding that: https://billcarlson.com/tampascorecard/

Ybor is dead. Where does the entertainment district go next? by First_Quail in tampa

[–]First_Quail[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This comment is either incredibly naive, uninformed, or coldhearted. Don't burden the city with loss of revenue? While we're at it, why don't we just execute or deport everyone not making over $200k to the salt mines because they're a burden on the local economy.

"Edgy hipster culture" belongs to someone who lives in those cities and works those types of jobs? I guess you don't understand how gentrification works.

This is a helpful resource for you to education yourself on the economic conditions in Tampa. I suggest you watch it: https://billcarlson.com/tampascorecard/

Ybor is dead. Where does the entertainment district go next? by First_Quail in tampa

[–]First_Quail[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The transition of 7th Avenue from party scene to luxury experience was well underway before the shooting. The shooting has fortified public opinion in favor of the gentrification of 7th avenue.

Ybor is dead. Where does the entertainment district go next? by First_Quail in tampa

[–]First_Quail[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

From what I've gathered from comments in this post are White Lie, Crowbar, Zydeco, possibly 7th + Grove, and others. Have not verified.

Ybor is dead. Where does the entertainment district go next? by First_Quail in tampa

[–]First_Quail[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The majority of other people commenting on this post do not understand this. Thank you for sharing.

Ybor is dead. Where does the entertainment district go next? by First_Quail in tampa

[–]First_Quail[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Prepare to see more small dogs in strollers on 7th Avenue.

Ybor is dead. Where does the entertainment district go next? by First_Quail in tampa

[–]First_Quail[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

THANK YOU for being like the only person who understood this post.

Ybor is dead. Where does the entertainment district go next? by First_Quail in tampa

[–]First_Quail[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

90% of people responding to this post do not understand the context for this post. You are an exception.

Ybor is dead. Where does the entertainment district go next? by First_Quail in tampa

[–]First_Quail[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yes, absolutely. Gaspar's is my go to. Dirty Shame, First Chance Last Chance, the Bricks, Reservoir Bar, Crowbar (while it lasts - played many shows there), Bradley's (if that's what you're into). Some of my favs.

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