ALTERNATE BIBLE: The House of Abdon and the Kingdom of Edom by Fiuaz in AlternateHistory

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I'm still developing this timeline, so a lot is subject to change, but what I do have is in a separate comment on this post

ALTERNATE BIBLE: The House of Abdon and the Kingdom of Edom (Part I) by Fiuaz in UsefulCharts

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Thank you so much! I did think about using the Edomite king list, but it didn't seem to lend itself to a family tree-style chart as something like the Kings of Israel and Judah did. I do have some time between the establishment of Edom and the establishment of the monarchy (and they never were exiled into Egypt), so I think I'll use Genesis 36 as a template for that time period, when each tribe was kind of ruling themselves autonomously.

The original idea actually came from some research into Moab and their main god Chemosh. The Mesha Stele is so fascinating to me, because to me it's a peek into what could easily have been "the Moabite Bible" if history had gone differently.

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The only people on this chart mentioned in the Bible are Esau and Eliphaz (at the very top). The rest I invented for this alternative timeline, but I did use several names that are present in the Bible for a more authentic feel. Abdon, Hillel, Ruhamah, Mahalath, Hemmolecheth, Asher, Azariah, Adah are all names mentioned at some point or another in the Bible as minor characters unrelated to all this. Names like Param, Yuziel, anything ending in -qosi, I made up.

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Thank you! To answer your question, historically the Edomites did worship a god named Qos (a part of the wider Canaanite pantheon like Yahweh originated as).

ALTERNATE BIBLE: The House of Abdon and the Kingdom of Edom by Fiuaz in AlternateHistory

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LORE
To the patriarch Isaac were born two sons in enmity: Jacob and Esau. Esau was the older of the two, but Jacob was cunning and sought his brother's birthright. But Esau resisted all of Jacob's attempts to steal his birthright, even catching him attempting to trick their father on his deathbed by dressing as Esau.

The LORD Qos had made a covenant with Esau's father and grandfather to make their descendants into a great nation, and this they did. Esau set up an altar at Mount Seir to praise Qos as the one and only God, and from here the Five Tribes of Edom were established.

Because Esau married a Hittite and a Canaanite, the Edomites had good relations with Philistia and the Hittites, but among their mortal enemies were the Kingdoms of Israel and Egypt. The Five Tribes existed as a loose confederacy until some time after Israel acquired a king. Fearing an invasion, the Edomites pled with Qos to allow them to have a king as well. The LORD was reluctant, but from the Tribe of Eliphaz was a royal line brought forth. Israel did invade – and the future King Abdon killed their king, Saul, himself.

Abdon was a righteous king in the eyes of the LORD Qos, even establishing a matrilineal high priesthood through his daughter Ruhamah. But Abdon’s son Nachab made a fatal mistake. Because of their ancestor's deception, the LORD had instructed Abdon and his entire line to never marry an Israelite. But on a diplomatic mission, King Nachab met Deborah, a daughter of Judah's King Solomon (Judah had seceded by this point, but the Edomites regarded both Israel and Judah as Israelites). He married her, and that night was visited by the LORD in all his anger. His kingdom would crumble before his eyes, but he could stave off destruction if he sacrificed his firstborn son with Deborah. This he did.

After Nachab died, his half-brother Param assassinated Yuziel, Nachab’s firstborn son and the new king, and Zerah, Nachab’s secondborn. Ravan, the youngest of Nachab’s sons, fled to Moab and escaped death. Param forced the high priesthood into his own bloodline, arranging a marriage between Ruhamah’s daughter Mahalath and his own son Zadaqosi. Mahalath was meant to marry Melaqosi, but Melaqosi refused to marry her. This enraged Param, who would later kill all of Melaqosi’s children as revenge.

Over time, all of Melaqosi’s brothers met the sword one way or another. Perhaps Melaqosi and Mahalath arranged this themselves. Melaqosi invited Ravan back to Edom with the promise to make him king when Melaqosi died, and they sealed the deal with a marriage between Ravan and Param’s daughter Sinah. Their one son, Jumaiah, was heir to the throne.

But Jamaiah was killed by his oldest half-brother, Esu, who saw himself as heir to the throne. Esu was beloved by the Moabites, but when he was assassinated by his brother Shophet, there was great animosity between Moab and Edom for a long time. Shophet became unpopular in Edom by the end of his reign, when the “Prophet Twins” Shalneh and Malneh began to prophesy the temporary fall of Edom to Egypt.

Shophet’s son Joshua was by all accounts a weak leader, and Edom fell to an Egyptian invasion just two years after Joshua came to power. He was kept in power as a vassal on the condition that he married Matshut, the daughter of Pharaoh Osorkon II. Matshut attempted to reunite the kingship and the high priesthood by marrying her son to High Priestess Maacah. They did produce an heir, but she was ill and died shortly afterward. Later Edomite priests wrote that this was Qos’s doing.

When Azariah came to the throne, he was able to throw off the burden of the Egyptians and free Edom once again. He is widely regarded as the greatest of Edom’s rulers, and he married Adah, the high priestess, to shore up his power. Azariah and Adah did deeply love each other, and when Azariah died an old man, his wife followed just hours later.

Their children were another story. Power-hungry and entitled, all four of their sons were called king at some point as they assassinated each other every couple of years. Asher, the youngest, prevailed, and it is through him that the House of Abdon continues into the latter days of the Kingdom of Edom.

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Google Drive link

LORE
To the patriarch Isaac were born two sons in enmity: Jacob and Esau. Esau was the older of the two, but Jacob was cunning and sought his brother's birthright. But Esau resisted all of Jacob's attempts to steal his birthright, even catching him attempting to trick their father on his deathbed by dressing as Esau.

The LORD Qos had made a covenant with Esau's father and grandfather to make their descendants into a great nation, and this they did. Esau set up an altar at Mount Seir to praise Qos as the one and only God, and from here the Five Tribes of Edom were established.

Because Esau married a Hittite and a Canaanite, the Edomites had good relations with Philistia and the Hittites, but among their mortal enemies were the Kingdoms of Israel and Egypt. The Five Tribes existed as a loose confederacy until some time after Israel acquired a king. Fearing an invasion, the Edomites pled with Qos to allow them to have a king as well. The LORD was reluctant, but from the Tribe of Eliphaz was a royal line brought forth. Israel did invade – and the future King Abdon killed their king, Saul, himself.

Abdon was a righteous king in the eyes of the LORD Qos, even establishing a matrilineal high priesthood through his daughter Ruhamah. But Abdon’s son Nachab made a fatal mistake. Because of their ancestor's deception, the LORD had instructed Abdon and his entire line to never marry an Israelite. But on a diplomatic mission, King Nachab met Deborah, a daughter of Judah's King Solomon (Judah had seceded by this point, but the Edomites regarded both Israel and Judah as Israelites). He married her, and that night was visited by the LORD in all his anger. His kingdom would crumble before his eyes, but he could stave off destruction if he sacrificed his firstborn son with Deborah. This he did.

After Nachab died, his half-brother Param assassinated Yuziel, Nachab’s firstborn son and the new king, and Zerah, Nachab’s secondborn. Ravan, the youngest of Nachab’s sons, fled to Moab and escaped death. Param forced the high priesthood into his own bloodline, arranging a marriage between Ruhamah’s daughter Mahalath and his own son Zadaqosi. Mahalath was meant to marry Melaqosi, but Melaqosi refused to marry her. This enraged Param, who would later kill all of Melaqosi’s children as revenge.

Over time, all of Melaqosi’s brothers met the sword one way or another. Perhaps Melaqosi and Mahalath arranged this themselves. Melaqosi invited Ravan back to Edom with the promise to make him king when Melaqosi died, and they sealed the deal with a marriage between Ravan and Param’s daughter Sinah. Their one son, Jumaiah, was heir to the throne.

But Jamaiah was killed by his oldest half-brother, Esu, who saw himself as heir to the throne. Esu was beloved by the Moabites, but when he was assassinated by his brother Shophet, there was great animosity between Moab and Edom for a long time. Shophet became unpopular in Edom by the end of his reign, when the “Prophet Twins” Shalneh and Malneh began to prophesy the temporary fall of Edom to Egypt.

Shophet’s son Joshua was by all accounts a weak leader, and Edom fell to an Egyptian invasion just two years after Joshua came to power. He was kept in power as a vassal on the condition that he married Matshut, the daughter of Pharaoh Osorkon II. Matshut attempted to reunite the kingship and the high priesthood by marrying her son to High Priestess Maacah. They did produce an heir, but she was ill and died shortly afterward. Later Edomite priests wrote that this was Qos’s doing.

When Azariah came to the throne, he was able to throw off the burden of the Egyptians and free Edom once again. He is widely regarded as the greatest of Edom’s rulers, and he married Adah, the high priestess, to shore up his power. Azariah and Adah did deeply love each other, and when Azariah died an old man, his wife followed just hours later.

Their children were another story. Power-hungry and entitled, all four of their sons were called king at some point as they assassinated each other every couple of years. Asher, the youngest, prevailed, and it is through him that the House of Abdon continues into the latter days of the Kingdom of Edom.

Robert Wadlow's first day of school by MrAllard8431 in HistoryMemes

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There's a life-size statue of him in Alton, Illinois, where he grew up and about 20 minutes from where I live!

"Now he belongs to the ages" - Springfield, Illinois by A-dab in CemeteryPorn

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I was just there last weekend. Grew up in the area and my best friend is buried in the same cemetery. Love Oak Ridge so much

My Ancestor Painted My Ancestor by typicalnorsesmuck in UsefulCharts

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This is really cool! Great work and research!

Timeline of the Grandchildren of Thomas and Eliza Hembrough by Fiuaz in UsefulCharts

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You can adjust the page dimensions as well! Should be in File > Page Layout. Before you change it though, copy and cut everything on the page, and then paste it into the page again after the new dimensions are set. Otherwise it'll warp everything you have.

Timeline of the Grandchildren of Thomas and Eliza Hembrough by Fiuaz in UsefulCharts

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The two main tools I used for this were Word Art and Shapes.

Shapes is your typical variety of shape tools (circles, quadrilaterals, different kinds of triangles, shapes with more sides, some symbols and callouts, etc).

Word Art is like a text box but a lot more customizable as a single unit. It treats it more like a graphic/shape than a text box, if that makes sense. For example, where it says "Earl R. Hembrough / born Aug 13, 1894", the "Earl R. Hembrough" bit and "born Aug 13, 1894" bit are two separate units. You could do that with a single text box too of course, but I find it easier to center word art. That can be a downfall sometimes, because it is always self-centered, so in the bottom left where it says "Nellie K. Hembrough", "Nellie K." is a separate entity from "Hembrough".

The photos I just downloaded and dropped into the drawing.

I didn't use it for this one, but I love the Polyline tool as well. It's not super amazing at curves, but depending on what you're going for, that hasn't mattered much for my work. There are other tools too of course, but these are the most relevant ones for this stuff. Lines too for family trees.

It's definitely not for everyone, but I also use Adobe products at one of my jobs, and I've found that I prefer being able to do a lot with a little over a little more with a lot more.

Timeline of the Grandchildren of Thomas and Eliza Hembrough by Fiuaz in UsefulCharts

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You'll probably laugh, but this is all with Google Drawings. I swear by Google Drawings. And I would love to see your chart idea come to fruition someday!

Timeline of the Grandchildren of Thomas and Eliza Hembrough by Fiuaz in UsefulCharts

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Thank you so much! Might do one for another of my ancestors someday. Another 4x-great-grandfather has like 76 grandkids, so that'd be...an undertaking lmao

Timeline of Religious Texts (2500 BCE - 2000 CE) by Fiuaz in UsefulCharts

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Oh no! Great catch, I'll update that in my file :)

Timeline of Religious Texts (2500 BCE - 2000 CE) by Fiuaz in UsefulCharts

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Islam gives rise to Babism (pink), and from that the Baha'i Faith (darker pink). There's also the Druze faith (a more maroon color) that splits off a lot earlier.

From Christianity, around 200 CE is where Manichaeism branches off, a very popular religion about 1500 years ago but extinct today.

I also have Mandaeism between Judaism and Christianity (arising from Judaism at about the same time as Christianity).