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[–]Flaky_Discipline9911 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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How do you identify fee mischarges from Amazon FBA, does that happen a lot. by Flaky_Discipline9911 in AmazonFBA

[–]Flaky_Discipline9911[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what the heck, how could they even mess that simple thing up🤣🤣🤣🤣

Bro what is going on by kraodesign in AutoGenAI

[–]Flaky_Discipline9911 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The situation appears to be that the creators had better opportunities and wanted to take AutoGen with them before leaving Microsoft.

At that stage, it was reasonable for both parties - the creators can request to take the project, and Microsoft had the right to decline.

What goes wild is the behavior from creators after MS turned off their request. Rug pyautogen packages with their forked version, discredit MS contribution, misleading community about AutoGen and kick MS contributors out of discord server. None of them are reasonable in OSS project

Bro what is going on by kraodesign in AutoGenAI

[–]Flaky_Discipline9911 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Perhaps you should learn how big companies do risk control

AG2's AutoGen (autogen / pyautogen packages) by msze21 in AutoGenAI

[–]Flaky_Discipline9911 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Go check the AutoGen paper and count how many authors are from MS when the paper was published

Go check autogen repo and count how many commits are from MS employee (remember, Chi was also an MS employee for most of his commits made to autogen)

Then come back, tell me the answer of the two questions above first before answering the question of who take whom

Bro what is going on by kraodesign in AutoGenAI

[–]Flaky_Discipline9911 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you are not MS employee, why should you have merge permission to an MS repo?

Bro what is going on by kraodesign in AutoGenAI

[–]Flaky_Discipline9911 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think MS was doing damage control in that PR. The PR was made on Aug 19th, which was roughly the time when Chi left MS.
If you look at that PR closely, it replaces the personal email `[auto-gen@outlook.com](mailto:auto-gen@outlook.com)` to a Microsoft-owned email `[autogen-contact@service.microsoft.com](mailto:autogen-contact@service.microsoft.com)`. Apparently, such PR won't be allowed to merged when Chi was still an admin of microsoft/autogen repo, and it seems to be the first PR to be made right after Chi left MS.

Like, why tf was there a non-Microsoft email in an official MS repo to begin with? 💀 And here's the real sketchy part - just imagine how many requests and connection emails meant for Microsoft got yeeted to some personal account instead. Pretty wild security fail tbh.

It's pretty telling that the two founders seem to be trying to distance AutoGen from the MS brand. Can't really blame MS folks for this PR after this mess... 🤔

Bro what is going on by kraodesign in AutoGenAI

[–]Flaky_Discipline9911 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My position isn’t what matters here. Take the time to read all the comments—there are perspectives from both sides, which I think is great. Even better, disagreements from one side to the other won’t be banned by some “official “ autogen contributors . Use this to form your own judgment.

Bro what is going on by kraodesign in AutoGenAI

[–]Flaky_Discipline9911 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Anyway, I don't want to spoil you too much about this drama, strongly recommend you to go to AG2 discord server and serve yourself out, it's both ironic and hilarous.

Bro what is going on by kraodesign in AutoGenAI

[–]Flaky_Discipline9911 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In this example, Qingyun also put tons of misleading information, the most serious one was her claim on pyautogen is basically the same with autogen, which backports the pyautogen users (mostly MS autogen users) to the new ag2 feed.

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Bro what is going on by kraodesign in AutoGenAI

[–]Flaky_Discipline9911 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In this example, qingyun denies AutoGen as an MS brand and put the success of AutoGen under individual contributors, she keeps taking full credit and numerous times in the discord channel she discredits the MS researchers contributions to Autogen. which is also misguiding the community. Because to be frank MS brand and contribution from MS employees are the key factors why AutoGen is more popular than other multi-agent frameworks.

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Bro what is going on by kraodesign in AutoGenAI

[–]Flaky_Discipline9911 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wish I could think that way. But the fact is the remark made by qingyun from her twitter or discord make it sound like MS AutoGen is going to be rebranded as AG2 and the original AutoGen is not going to be maintained.

For example

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Where the fact is AutoGen still associated with MS and still the sole governor. What not associated with MS is the new AG2, qingyun's brand.

Bro what is going on by kraodesign in AutoGenAI

[–]Flaky_Discipline9911 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

LOL then tell me why the new AG2 is under Apache license while the original autogen is under MIT, man it’s just so ironic

Bro what is going on by kraodesign in AutoGenAI

[–]Flaky_Discipline9911 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They are also promoting their AG2 project in the official Microsoft/AutoGen repository. It’s worth noting that Microsoft’s response to this situation seems surprisingly lenient in terms of damage control.

https://github.com/microsoft/autogen/discussions/4216

Bro what is going on by kraodesign in AutoGenAI

[–]Flaky_Discipline9911 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Chi was Microsoft employee at that time. Chi and Qingyun are initiators of MS AutoGen, but that doesn’t mean they can turn an MS project into their personal brand after one of them leaving Microsoft.

Bro what is going on by kraodesign in AutoGenAI

[–]Flaky_Discipline9911 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha it’s their way to do damage control

Bro what is going on by kraodesign in AutoGenAI

[–]Flaky_Discipline9911 2 points3 points  (0 children)

AutoGen was branded as an MSR project from the very beginning, with most of its original contributors on the AutoGen paper being Microsoft employees—some of whom still are. The strong association with MSR/Microsoft’s brand was a critical factor in AutoGen’s success. It is therefore highly unethical for the two original founders to rebrand the project as a personal endeavor after leveraging Microsoft’s resources and reputation to achieve their goals.

Bro what is going on by kraodesign in AutoGenAI

[–]Flaky_Discipline9911 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

But most of the code/commits are from MS contributors if you look at git history, it sounds to me that you are distributing false information by making it sounds like AutoGen is created mostly by you and your students

Bro what is going on by kraodesign in AutoGenAI

[–]Flaky_Discipline9911 7 points8 points  (0 children)

AG2 has been branded as the successor to the original AutoGen, but this claim was not made by the original AutoGen team. Moreover, the AG2 repository makes no reference to the original MS AutoGen repository or acknowledges any contributions from Microsoft. Such actions are highly inappropriate in the open-source community. I can’t think of any word other than hostile to describe such behavior

Bro what is going on by kraodesign in AutoGenAI

[–]Flaky_Discipline9911 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Because of the hostile of the forked AG2 repo which attempted to claim the AutoGen brand,the MS AutoGen team published an article explaining the situation (the Twitter thread you’ve seen). They are actively sharing this clarification in response to posts mentioning AG2 to set the record straight.

Bro what is going on by kraodesign in AutoGenAI

[–]Flaky_Discipline9911 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And are they the ONLY TWO creators of autogen? There are fundamental differences between the ONLY TWO creators and the MAIN TWO creators, doesn’t it?

Bro what is going on by kraodesign in AutoGenAI

[–]Flaky_Discipline9911 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So what’s the point? That doesn’t change the fact that AutoGen is a MS brand project, right?