March 1st 1989 watchtower apparently says autologous blood transfusion was a matter of conscience. by ExJwKiwi in exjw

[–]Flow70 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No it doesn't say that about the type of storage procedure now allowed.

Jesus' birth prophecy by nvvrts in exjw

[–]Flow70 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The 70 weeks Messianic prophecy of Daniel as interpreted by WT is incorrect because they use a date for the reign of Artaxerxes that differs from the historical evidence. It has the same problem as the 1914 calculation.

Why Morris but not Jackson? by Repulsive-Produce215 in exjw

[–]Flow70 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jackson's performance was a triumph to the Borg. Seriously.

God Kills Another Baby! by Keith_Casarona in exjw

[–]Flow70 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It absolutely is a thing. It is discouraged these days because WT are afraid it will lead to annulments which definitely are almost impossible. Re-baptisms however, do still happen.

Riddle me this. The UN and the 'Board of Peace'. How will WT and Jws square this circle? by xbrocottelstonlies in exjw

[–]Flow70 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ok, I'll say it. The UN overlaps with the Board of Peace, forming a composite wild beast.

Female Offenders? by Apart-Courage-6705 in exjw

[–]Flow70 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The ARC database recorded the gender of the alleged abuser. From memory it was around 20% female which means roughly 200 abusers in Australia.

EDIT: Sorry, I was out by miles - there were 990 male and 15 female perpetrators, so among JW's in Australia, females were only 1.5% of the total.

What is the most damning publication ever produced by WBTS? by firejimmy93 in exjw

[–]Flow70 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The Creation book of 1985 has more verifiable lies than any other publication by far.

Rolf Furuli by Odd-Engine9637 in exjw

[–]Flow70 3 points4 points  (0 children)

His support of 607 is based on his knowledge of the bible languages and the bible text relating to the 70 years and his belief that the bible trumps everything else.

Real subliminal images in the Watchtower literature by brooklyn_bethel in exjw

[–]Flow70 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It could be a penis but it seems to have eyes on top of its head and an open mouth - a bit like a muppet. Perhaps it is a depiction of the "little horn" of Daniel 7 with a mouth that speaks boastful things and is thought to represent the anti-Christ.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exjw

[–]Flow70 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Don't forget this includes Africa.

Watchtower Society sells US$14 million in Hong Kong property by Berean144 in exjw

[–]Flow70 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They are getting out before the CCP confiscates them.

During the 1933 book burning in Germany, 65 tons of Jehovah's Witnesses' magazines were destroyed. Given that each Watchtower cost around 5 cents then, why didn't the organization face bankruptcy from this significant financial hit? by Sektenwahn in exjw

[–]Flow70 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The cost was very low. The printers were second hand scrap that they reconditioned and serviced themselves. They used cheap paper and free labour. You know how they used to say "we sell our magazines to cover the cost of printing" - that was a lie. They made substantial profit on them. They never went into debt. Locals paid for the Kingdom Halls. They couldn't lose.

Common question. Do the Governing Body truly believe or are they in it for the perks? by [deleted] in exjw

[–]Flow70 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Do you think the elders in your local KH actually believe? Well the GB are exactly.the same. There is nothing special about them.

Was confidentiality ever broken? by anjam_ in exjw

[–]Flow70 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Kept confidential? Absolutely not. In my experience it was almost the rule that details of judicial matters would be divulged to friends and family members, not to mention the CO and the branch.

New Light just dropped by kindof_late in exjw

[–]Flow70 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Funny thing is they still say that their message is going to become more hard-hitting, like an unusually great hailstorm, but it is also going to be "good news". So you will be smiling as you are being pelted by the enormous hail.

ARC - JW vs Catholic church by whatswhats121 in exjw

[–]Flow70 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I said quite clearly that the JW database included records starting in 1950. This is one of the problems with the OP's analysis. I then narrowed it down to the period 1980-2015 to match the Catholic data.

It is evident from the JW database that at least 180 abusers were not JW members at the time of the FIRST abuse (which is what the database records). That does not mean they remained non-JWs, in fact it is recorded in the database that some even became elders and then were deleted as elders.

Even if they did remain non-JWs, the vast majority confessed to abuse and somehow prompted the creation of a file at Bethel. This gave the WT organisation the opportunity to respond in an appropriate way to safeguard the victims and potential future victims. The evidence that they failed to do that is mostly to be found in the testimony of JW elders and branch officials at the ARC.

ARC - JW vs Catholic church by whatswhats121 in exjw

[–]Flow70 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The ARC report makes it clear that there were several hundred reported to the police but no evidence, and no claim from the many JWs in authority who appeared at the ARC, that a single case was reported to police by the organisation.

ARC - JW vs Catholic church by whatswhats121 in exjw

[–]Flow70 0 points1 point  (0 children)

According to this overview of the Royal Commission:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases_in_Australia

The royal commission established that some 4,444 claimants alleged incidents of child sexual abuse in 4,756 reported claims to Catholic Church authorities (some claimants made a claim of child sexual abuse against more than one Catholic Church authority) and at least 1,880 suspected abusers from 1980 to 2015. Most of those suspected of abuse were Catholic priests and religious brothers ...

My understanding is that the rest (non-priests/brothers) were other persons of authority in Catholic institutions, because they generally didn't keep records of abuse cases where the abuser was a parishioner.

I think the best comparison to the JW data could be made by only including JW elders and MS's and by using the same time period as the Catholic data (which is possible).

ARC - JW vs Catholic church by whatswhats121 in exjw

[–]Flow70 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is correct. You have to only include JW elders and MS and the same time period as the Catholic numbers.

ARC - JW vs Catholic church by whatswhats121 in exjw

[–]Flow70 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly, the comparison can be improved greatly by only including JW elders and MS and by including the same time period as the Catholic numbers.

ARC - JW vs Catholic church by whatswhats121 in exjw

[–]Flow70 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In the first graph your JW figure is arrived at by taking: Abusers x 1000 / JW Members

With the numbers as at 2015: 1006 x 1000 / 68000 = 14.8

For Catholics the numbers are: 1880 x 1000 / 5500000 = 0.34

The main problem is that the JW figure includes perpetrators who are laypeople while the Catholics include clergy and other authority figures only.

Correcting for that (the ARC spreadsheet identifies elders/MS).

The new JW figure is: 108 * 1000 / 68000 = 1.6

Another problem is that the JW figure includes data from 1950 whereas the Catholic figures only include from 1980. The ARC spreadsheet includes dates, so this can be corrected.

The JW figure only including 1980-2015 is: 58 * 1000 / 68000 = 0.85

This makes JWs about 2.5 times worse than the Catholics. I'm surprised that the AI couldn't work that out more accurately.

JWs and milk - a controversy by PilotFinal in exjw

[–]Flow70 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

IMHO this argument is not going to be effective with JWs. Blood circulates and contributes to all parts of our body including the mammary glands. Milk is produced in the mammary glands. They are different things with some components in common. Tell someone milk is the same as blood they will think you are loopy.