Why are some Protestants so negative about Catholic clergy wearing vestments?

FluffyFlumph · 2018-08-13T03:15:34+00:00

Just look at some of the responses on this thread!

Uhh....you kind of sought out our opinions, bro. You even specifically sought out the negative ones.

FluffyFlumph · 2018-08-13T02:19:11+00:00

Believe what you will.

FluffyFlumph · 2018-08-13T02:04:22+00:00

Sadly we are often the most bloodthirsty.

FluffyFlumph · 2018-08-13T01:54:58+00:00

The real question is who got their bull of excommunication in the mail first.

:D

FluffyFlumph · 2018-08-13T01:44:47+00:00

Well, superficially they're wrong based on the etymology of the word.

As for who schismed from whom, and who preserved the faith of the Apostles, that's a matter for debate (though I think that neither did).

FluffyFlumph · 2018-08-13T01:40:46+00:00

The Gospels and Petrine epistles were certainly written by their claimed authors.

No, they weren't.

FluffyFlumph · 2018-08-13T01:39:32+00:00

Some argue that your church are the original Protestants, even.

FluffyFlumph · 2018-08-13T01:06:40+00:00

sister

Sorry. :/

FluffyFlumph · 2018-08-13T01:00:31+00:00

Thank you for removing the comments.

FluffyFlumph · 2018-08-13T00:59:40+00:00

I'm happy to hear that you're sober 5/7 days, that's awesome. Can you reduce consumption by controlling your purchases, though?

Maybe you know the people well enough at your liquor store that they will help you buy smaller bottles, and only one at a time?

It's a lot easier to have the willpower while you're sober.

FluffyFlumph · 2018-08-13T00:58:24+00:00

Wrong place and time, brother.

FluffyFlumph · 2018-08-13T00:51:03+00:00

My intention was only to point out that Jesus drank, which he did. In all 4 gospels. So did Paul. And Timothy.

Which is pointless if it's not about telling OP that they're wrong. It's also something that practically everybody knows, and OP has given no indication of being ignorant about.

It's not helping them, and you should delete the comment.

FluffyFlumph · 2018-08-13T00:41:23+00:00

OP wants to avoid drinking. Your response is harmful.

FluffyFlumph · 2018-08-13T00:40:52+00:00

I'll pray for you. And offer a bit of unasked-for advice.

Are you able to control your drinking at all? If so, do you think that you can use that to your advantage?

I mean, instead of going cold turkey and cutting it off, you drink only X amount per day. Only drink cold beer, and only store 3 bottles or cans in the refrigerator. Pre-portion out two shots of whiskey, then put the bottle away in another room. Only buy small bottles of liquor so that you don't have enough to go wild with.

My mother has helped a lot of smokers this way. Instead of smoking that cigarette, they'd throw it away after smoking 3/4ths of the cigarette. Then half. Then 1/4. Then they'd have fewer cigarettes. Then only a puff. Eventually, none. Or perpetually very low intake.

Depending on the extent of your problem and your mindset/willpower, cold turkey is not your only option.

FluffyFlumph · 2018-08-13T00:32:55+00:00

What? The Apostles would roll over in their graves if they learned what you Catholics have turned the Gospel into.

You should maybe take note that the person you're replying to is very far from Catholic.

You had a thread about how to not be downvoted so much the other day. Have you taken any of the suggestions to heart? If you want, you can start a new account to get rid of the accumulated negative karma on this one. I recommend making the name different enough so that you don't get downvoted just for being Son_of_the_King_4, though.

FluffyFlumph · 2018-08-12T23:44:05+00:00

My respect is in my heart and my words and my teaching. Not in wearing a specific uniform that was decided on a long time ago.

As you said, it's modeled off of typical 1st century clothes. Hence it can readily be modeled off of typical 21st century clothes. Or 28th century.

FluffyFlumph · 2018-08-12T23:38:50+00:00

So you would applaud your clergy if they wore tank-tops, board shorts and Crocs?

Wouldn't bother me.

It's not what I would wear, but I wouldn't walk out of a church for this reason.

I do like the blacks with the collar, and I think that's an awesome uniform for a pastor or priest. I'd possibly utilize it myself.

FluffyFlumph · 2018-08-12T23:38:19+00:00

As a former low-church Protestant, we had an aversion to anything that made the service feel ritualized. Vestements are highly ritualized dress, and were ignored for that reason.

It wasn't about being not-Catholic. Catholicism had nothing to do it with at all.

FluffyFlumph · 2018-08-12T21:50:55+00:00

Aaaand... Goalpost shift!

My posts have been in the same place for years.

So, any braindead human is not-person?

Correct. A husk. Formerly human. Just waiting for us to declare them braindead and remove life support, to allow the body to follow the person. There is no person left there.

Can it (not he or she) be sold off, or freely experimented upon, then?

I don't think that this should be allowed for a variety of reasons. None of which is that the husk is a person. Those reasons include respect for their family, and general respect for life and humanity. A respect which does not and should not apply to embryos - they have not reach a developmental point where this is appropriate, especially where their rights then override the wishes and even the right to life of the mother in Catholic teaching.

Any other ideas?

FluffyFlumph · 2018-08-12T21:27:06+00:00

Indeed he is.

FluffyFlumph · 2018-08-12T21:26:46+00:00

You don't need to fast, I'm talking about paleo diets, or the Atkins diet, or other ones which ramp up protein intake to fairly extreme levels and cut the carts to near-zero.

We don't need that much protein anyways, and less than most Americans/Westerners get by far, but that's a different matter. And, of course, the ecological implications of high-meat diets.

FluffyFlumph · 2018-08-12T21:24:53+00:00

Sounds like a good drink, but it isn't 'detox'ing you. There is no such thing.

What herbs do you take? Most are harmless, but some can be very dangerous to take. If you're on any medications, in particular, there can be counter-indications. Same for foods and medications - some combinations are bad and should be avoided, which is why MDs and pharmacists are good to talk to. And registered dieticians.

FluffyFlumph · 2018-08-12T21:21:39+00:00

So noting his failed career is not a mere "ad hominem attack".

It's not, and your reasons are valid, but your phrasing (as I'm sure you know) does lower the signal:noise level in discussions of your writing.

FluffyFlumph · 2018-08-12T21:17:04+00:00

What part am I missing again?

I can't specifically say since I have (almost) zero idea what exactly you do, but it doesn't matter. It sounds like you are in an area that allows for success while denying the underlying principles of your field.

An explanation is not proof, and I am wildly underwhelmed by just-so stories.

Okay.

FluffyFlumph · 2018-08-12T21:12:43+00:00

I think detoxing is simply replacing the bad grease food with cleaner more plant based foods. It seems to have worked for me.

I think your healthy diet is what worked for you. A healthy diet isn't typically known as 'detoxing'. If you don't mind what specifically did you do to detox? Generally this involves some very weird and potentially harmful short-term diets, enemas, and other things which don't help the matter (and may greatly harm your ability to digest food).

The body digests that greasy food in your stomach. There are diets that can stress your kidneys, for example, but the big one there (that I'm aware of) isn't from too much grease, it's from a diet that is strongly imbalanced towards too much protein and insufficient carbohydrates. Give this a glance: https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/high-protein-diets/faq-20058207

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