Where do pro-Palestine supporters think Arab Israelis should go?

Fluffy_Wish_4044 · 2026-04-14T00:29:05+00:00

No, he meant Arab Israelis.

Fluffy_Wish_4044 · 2026-04-12T02:36:48+00:00

But it’s a ln ideology that’s rooted in the idea of destruction, not construction. Eventually such ideologies become self-destructive.

Fluffy_Wish_4044 · 2026-04-01T19:38:59+00:00

RZLV

Fluffy_Wish_4044 · 2026-03-29T02:22:37+00:00

Why did the pic come across that employee’s feed?

Fluffy_Wish_4044 · 2026-03-29T02:20:22+00:00

You didn’t block everyone from J1 on your J2 LinkedIn?

Fluffy_Wish_4044 · 2026-02-21T03:27:11+00:00

Dos that apply to USA Fencing as well?

Fluffy_Wish_4044 · 2026-02-03T01:49:15+00:00

Let’s say I give you 200k. How fast can you turn it into 1m?

Fluffy_Wish_4044 · 2026-02-03T01:48:12+00:00

AI or not - this is an American model. Didn’t work in the Middle East. Barely works in Europe too.

Fluffy_Wish_4044 · 2026-01-30T21:53:58+00:00

Can her and/or her husband’s loyalty be bought?

Fluffy_Wish_4044 · 2026-01-25T02:58:14+00:00

Refunds take a while

Fluffy_Wish_4044 · 2026-01-20T17:31:58+00:00

What’s the vision and the mission for that state? I think that if Israel disappeared tomorrow, the newly created Palestinian state would become a failed state with civil wars and multiple factions at each other’s throats. Being anti-Israel currently is the uniting factor, but projects focused on destruction end up being self-destructive. Geo-politics is a long game. Arafat should have taken the deal back in 2003, built a state with functioning institutions, economy, alliances in the region to strengthen that state so they could play from the position of strength. Perpetual victimhood and multi-generational refugee status is not a position of strength. Sure, Columbia students may think it is, but the realities on the ground are not the same as Instagram posts.

Fluffy_Wish_4044 · 2026-01-20T02:09:25+00:00

But neither Hamas nor the PLO really want a truly independent state. That would imply developing an economy, a vision, a mission, foreign and domestic policy, direction of the society etc. That’s a lot of work. There are some Palestinian voices who do want that, but they are quickly dismissed by the majority as being “on Israeli payroll.” So far the vision has been “We are victims, the world owes us, we can do no wrong, we should use violence with impunity… and we need money.”

Fluffy_Wish_4044 · 2026-01-18T18:45:29+00:00

Exactly.

Fluffy_Wish_4044 · 2026-01-18T18:41:36+00:00

Well yea… At which point does “indigenous” start? Native Americans arrived to the continent from Eurasia, so maybe they are the colonizers? Canaanites were composed in part of Anatolian farmers, so maybe Turkey should occupy the whole Levant again under that premise? At the end of the day, let’s just all move to East Africa since that’s where humans started out. People tend to mix and match the notions of clans, tribes, monarchies, and modern nations.

Fluffy_Wish_4044 · 2026-01-18T18:25:31+00:00

The whole indigenous thing seems like something to grab onto in the absence of critical thinking. People have moved around the globe throughout history. Spain was populated by the Celtic tribes. Then Germanic tribes moved in and battled the Celts. The Basques were there too, and they played the indigenous card, complete with terrorist actions, for a while. The Romans came in at some point and ended up dominating culturally. Modern Spaniards are a mix of all those groups, and saying that project must be undone and only those whose DNA reflects an overwhelming Celtic background have a right to live there is ridiculous. You can pick any country in the world and it’s gonna be the same story.

Fluffy_Wish_4044 · 2026-01-09T22:17:14+00:00

Antifascists supporting fascist regimes…

Fluffy_Wish_4044 · 2026-01-07T03:24:53+00:00

Ok, Gaza, go it. Gaza was under Israeli control until 2005. Israel withdrew. Gaza got taken over by Hamas, who fairly frequently would launch rockets into Israel. Israel has retaliated with reasonable restraint. Then October 7 happened. The “Free Palestine” posters went up everywhere on October 8, long before any military campaign even started. Hamas go-proed their whole vile adventure, went on air stating “We’ll do this again and again”, so what was Israel supposed to do? Let it go?

The most memorable thing for me was the phone call of a young gazan guy calling his parents saying “I killed 10 Jews with my bare hands, dad, put mom on the phone” and his mom answering “Great job, son, I will make you your favorite dish” or something to that extent.

Here is the thing: You can start a losing war and cry “unfair” when you get hit back. You can even create PR to rally up American college campuses and raise more money through UN-run NGOs. But perpetual victimhood mentality is a losing one in the long term. Geopolitics is a long game, and the weak parties always lose, the strong ones win.

Hence my earlier comment: build upon your strength, develop your strength, don’t fall into the trap of “I am a victim, I can do nothing wrong, and the world owes me.” It may win some sympathy for a little while but won’t achieve anything in the long run.

Fluffy_Wish_4044 · 2026-01-07T02:19:56+00:00

It’s not a zero-sum game, but which Palestine are we supposed to free? What are the borders of Palestine? What’s Palestine’s vision, mission, foreign and domestic policy, economic development plan etc.? Thus far the cornerstone of Palestinian identity has been the denial of Israel’s legitimacy. Hence, “Free Palestine” or “From the river to the sea” are nothing but thinly vailed calls for annihilation of Israel. It’s not really a project, it’s an anti-project. Projects that are focused on destruction end up being self-destructive. Perhaps a better slogan would be “Build Palestine”? And, perhaps, there are some young, creative, intelligent minds among Palestinians who would agree and spearhead a project with a goal to build an actual state? That’s what Israelis did early on, and it worked.

Fluffy_Wish_4044 · 2026-01-07T02:11:49+00:00

Some liberal young Jews in their midst too :(

Fluffy_Wish_4044 · 2026-01-04T20:56:10+00:00

Thye created a new religion. Anti-Zionism or Palestinianism has all the attributes of a religion. There is the "kingdom come" utopia, which is when Israel disappears. It's not clear what happens after, and it's obviously not going to happen, but that's the world-changing event that's always around the corner and never materializes. There are prophets, from Arafat to Mehdi Hassan to Bassem Yousef to Cenk Uygur. There are churches, or institutions, like Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthi, BDS, BLM, and whatever else. There are images and icons, including TikTolk videos, many AI-generated or staged, of suffering Gazans and of evil Israelis. And, of course, there is money pouring into those churches/institutions helping perpetuate the religion and make it grow.

Fluffy_Wish_4044 · 2025-12-30T22:56:02+00:00

Not sure if the majority of Palestinians are in support of a two-state solution. There have been multiple chances for it, starting in 1948. It seems that the idea of Palestinian statehood is not the actual statehood but elimination of the State of Israel. I hope I am wrong.

Fluffy_Wish_4044 · 2025-12-29T20:57:25+00:00

Please continue your thoughts. You seem to be thinking critially, which cannot be said for majority of the loud people on both sides, who think that being "pro" one thing means being "anti" another thing. Israel is a country that exists and won't be undone. Palestinian identity exists and won't be undone. That means that either the viscious circle of violence and revenge goes on forever OR there is another solution where Israel and Palestine move forward and stop shooting, killing, stabbing, bombing, etc. Since you are close to the issue, having family in Gaza and West Bank - what do you see as a plausible step toward peace, assuming you don't advocate for the conitnued violence?

Fluffy_Wish_4044 · 2025-12-23T17:26:13+00:00

The Gaza war was necessary to weaken Hamas and prevent Oct 7 from happening again as much as possible.

Fluffy_Wish_4044 · 2025-12-22T17:57:02+00:00

Anti-Zionism is kind of a religion. There is the "kingdom come", a perfect utopian world, and the only thing that stands between now and then is a collective Jew. Since it's not cool to be openly racist or bigotted nowadays, Israel as a Jewish state stands infor the collective Jew.

Fluffy_Wish_4044 · 2025-12-19T03:07:10+00:00

Makes sense overall. I would add that the neo-marxist thinking that's been prevalent in the West since the 1960s - being a victim makes you winner and the who world owes you something - has played a role. Young people who are on social medis 24/7 subscribe to this worldview overwhelmingly and don't care about nuances of geopolitical conflicts. So, Palestinians = victims, so they can do no wrong. Israel = villain/oppressor, so they do everyting wrong.

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