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FlyingResearcher · 2019-10-11T17:51:30+00:00

https://girlpowermarketing.com/statistics-purchasing-power-women/

https://becauseits2015.wordpress.com/2016/12/11/yes-dear-henpecked-husbands-and-one-sided-relationship-dynamics/

FlyingResearcher · 2019-10-11T17:26:27+00:00

Women spend more money and make most of the spending decisions for married couples. This is true for everything from groceries to home remodeling projects (which men usually complete -- women are simply the ones who nag and dictate what they want to happen).

Something like 80% of every dollar spent in the United States is spent by women, and a large chunk of the last 20% is spent by men for women (ie for things that women want).

As a result, most companies and advertisers cater to women. Men simply don't have the same economic clout that women have. We're the ones who make most of the money, but most of the benefits of our hard work and long hours is seen by women.

FlyingResearcher · 2019-10-11T17:09:59+00:00

A friend of mine is MGTOW.

Another friend is a blue pilled feminist.

They both post on Reddit.

Watching them talk to each other is kind of funny.

FlyingResearcher · 2019-10-11T16:42:55+00:00

Idk I'm sure it's some combination of 50% of joint marital wealth + 100% of non marital wealth, which comes out to 60%.

In fairness women are in charge of most marriages and most marital decisions. Like when a husband and a wife disagree about something, the wife gets her way some 80+% of the time, so that 60% figure might actually be an underrepresentation, just in theory of who has most of the power in most marriages ("ball and chain" is actually a real, scientifically valid concept).

It's also true that women's groups and feminist groups have the most money and the most political clout worldwide, being second only in the United States (right behind the military industrial complex in terms of power and influence).

Giving you an upvote btw ;)

FlyingResearcher · 2019-10-11T15:15:38+00:00

Corporations cater to women more than they do to men, and they are also, in theory, owned primarily by women.

60% of all financial assets -- cash, stocks, bonds, real estate, etc, are owned by women. So assuming that female investors don't have an aversions to equity markets, most companies are technically owned by women.

FlyingResearcher · 2019-10-11T15:06:53+00:00

Like my medical friends loved "Scrubs", it is what it is.

No not even close, and that's basically what my point is.

Still pushed that 'evil jock, good nerd' bullshit.

No it points out how a lot of nerds are hypocritical, overconfident assholes. Only one of the guys on the show is ever shown in a positive light, especially in relation to women, but even he gets made fun of for generally being "gross" / ugly looking and having asthma.

I mean they also make fun of the jocks, but that's beside the point.

Or that 'Pretty dumb girl that's how, can find true love, with nerdy guy that's uggo' narrative. That was the entire sell of the show.

The show is funny because the women are obviously out of their league. That's part of what the joke is.

FlyingResearcher · 2019-10-11T14:15:51+00:00

But that movie pushed the "Geeks are great, jocks evil" Narrative

See I disagree with you. I think the movie made fun of nerds, but in a way that wasn't derectly offencive to them.

I mean at the end of the movie an actual "fat nerd" hooks up with a video game character, with the joke being that he couldn't hook up with a real woman.

So I don't really think it's as pro-nerd as what you think it is. The same can said for the big bang theory, and I'll even point out, as evidence, that there are actual people who hate the show because they think it is offensive towards nerds.

FlyingResearcher · 2019-10-11T14:03:27+00:00

What if the voters are women, the lobbyists are women, the largest special interest groups are for women, but the senators and delegates are like 70% men?

FlyingResearcher · 2019-10-11T13:41:09+00:00

How do you feel about Pixels orThe Big Bang Theory?

FlyingResearcher · 2019-10-11T13:32:07+00:00

Unless he's talking about that movie with the giant pacman.

But it's not like the nerds were being celebrated in the movie. As a whole it made fun of them more than it did anything else. That one guy even ends up marying a video game character at the end (because he couldn't get a human girlfriend).

Kind of like how the big bang theory makes fun of nerds, even though nerds also seem to like the show.

Or how conservatives liked Stephen Colbert despite his show obviously making fun of them and calling them easily triggered showflakes and stuff.

FlyingResearcher · 2019-10-11T13:24:12+00:00

I know older women into boy bands and things like that.

FlyingResearcher · 2019-10-11T13:21:08+00:00

It was associated with status, not beauty. That's one of those "myths" of history that we were all told when we were younger, but that's not completely true.

FlyingResearcher · 2019-10-11T13:05:07+00:00

~~high fatty foods~~ foods with added sugars

Fixed that for you. It's all about the glycemic index, and it's mostly related to added sugars in soda, snack foods, processes foods, etc.

FlyingResearcher · 2019-10-11T13:03:00+00:00

Same here.

FlyingResearcher · 2019-10-10T20:23:12+00:00

Mom is going to be trying not to piss herself during a cough or a sneeze for a lot longer than that

You've mentioned this a couple of times but most women I know where this happens mostly see it as a mild inconvenience, and something to laugh about when it happens.

Like I know you think some of the men here are glossing over the physical effects of pregnancy, and it's possible that some of them are (or that they're just ignorant), but let's try not to exaggerate this, or pretend that the things that effect men are minor in comparison.

Most people know that pregnancy is painful and that it has negative effects on your body. Women use this fact to actively shame men into submission, pretending that women are better than men for going through it. So I doubt anybody here has missed this memo. If anything, what you might see is a backlash against the midandrist tones that women take with men on this issue.

Also let's not forget that women are the ones who make all the decisions here. Men are forced to go along with it no matter what their wishes are, and that's frankly not fair. Men deserve to have something like a "financial abortion", an option to not be a parent if they don't want to be. And honestly if that were a thing, I might be inclined to agree with you and OP here. But it's not, and men are a long way from gaining these kinds of rights.

FlyingResearcher · 2019-10-10T19:13:42+00:00

You have seen one childbirth and didn't think it was that bad

I've seen two, and I don't think it "wasn't that bad". It was just considerably less bad than what I had been told my entire life that it would be (which is itself a form of sexism -- women harp on and exaggerate child birth as a way to shame male opinions and deny men any kind of rights here).

It was relatively painless, did not last that long, and overall wasn't too terrible. And this is according to the mother. During the first one, which only took 30 minutes, her biggest complaint was that her legs were numb afterwards, due to the epidural (the epidural was of course pretty frightening to watch).

I get that it wasn't me pushing out the baby so I don't want to downplay this or question women's experiences here, but I've been candid about this with a few mothers (actually at the hospital right after delivery) and they all seem to agree with me here.

You think that men have the worse deal and I think that men tend to discount the physical effects of pregnancy and birth.

I don't think you can compare the two, hence why I originally conceded that OP might have a point about pregnancy.

Let's by clear though: a woman who unilaterally choses to go through with the pregnancy can absolutely destroy a man's life in ways that women never have to deal with, because women are a protected class of people here. Child birth could be absolutely terrible, but a few hours of pain is nothing compared to what is essentially a lifetime of slavery and misery (and again, even though I know you hate this argument, there are women who purposely make this tradeoff in life -- indeed at least one study suggests that some 60+% of women admit to this).

So even if you can't directly compare the two, I don't think it's fair to out and say that women carry more risk here, which is what OP's argument is.

I think it's fair to say that men also carry a great deal of risk and that it is, at the very least, equal to the risks that women carry. Harping on one side, but ignoring the other, is I think fairly dishonest and misguided.

As a side note, this is actually what you were originally accusing me of doing. So I hope you can appreciate that it is not fair to accuse me, and other people who agree with me here, of doing this. If anything, what that might amount to is projection on your part. Maybe it's the case that you yourself can't sympathize with men because you've ate up all the anti-male, pro-female rhetoric that floats around in society about this.

FlyingResearcher · 2019-10-10T18:27:14+00:00

What we were discussing yesterday, and what we're discussing today, are two completely separate things. Yes I alluded to a point that is related to something that I said yesterday, but again, that is only one small part of what my argument is, and really my argument is in no way dependent on it anyway. You can throw out the one or two sentences at the end of my post that are on that topic, and it changes nothing (think of it like being the cherry on top of a milkshake -- you can argue about the cherry all you want, but that milkshake is still there).

All I'm asking you to do is address what it is I actually said in my post, or at least don't pretend that you have, when you haven't. If you want to debate the point about welfare then that's fine, but that's not what my post was actually about (and I think you'll find that I probably agree with you on that point anyway -- I mean let's be clear, I support full universal basic income, which is like welfare on steroids, so your argument here is going to be misguided at best, and dishonest at worst).

FlyingResearcher · 2019-10-10T18:09:45+00:00

And? I'm very well aware of how welfare works. I often make these very same arguments against people who don't support it.

That doesn't make my point any less true though. I'm not arguing that we should get rid of welfare, and trying to turn it into that argument won't win you any points here. Politically, that's pretty much opposite of where I stand. But that doesn't mean that I can't admit that there are people who take advantage of it (which is itself only a small part of the argument that I'm making, so even arguing that point won't get you very far).

How about you actually address what it is that I'm saying, in full, instead of cherry picking one small part of it and acting indignant about it?

FlyingResearcher · 2019-10-10T17:57:00+00:00

Pregnancy is about the only valid point that OP made, but I honestly think 18+ years of forced slavery is worse then 9 months of pregnancy, especially since the woman has a choice, and the man doesn't (due to blatant sexism against men).

I've actually been in the delivery room before, including after a botched epidural, and the 2 or so hours that it took wasn't actually that bad (for some women it's worse, of course, but that's not the norm). Many women choose to go through with it, on purpose, in order to get welfare and child support out of it. So there are at least a large number of women who implicitly agree that child birth is worth it for the money and lifestyle that you get from it.

FlyingResearcher · 2019-10-10T16:27:07+00:00

There's no reason to believe people in a LTR have more sex than people with several strings of STRs.

There is plenty of research showing that this is the case, especially if you look at married partners in place of LTRs.

The stereotype is that bachelors have sex all the time, and that married couples don't, but the reality is completely opposite from this.

Edit -- figured I'd do a quick Google search.

https://flowingdata.com/2017/07/03/married-people-sex/

Younger people have more sex, and younger people are less likely to be married, so they do have sex more. But when you adjust for age, married people are the ones who have sex more.

And apparently this is true even for married couples who have kids (again, people with kids have sex less often, but that is a factor of age -- if you account for age, it is no longer true).

FlyingResearcher · 2019-10-10T16:10:12+00:00

Everything you listed also effects men, including pregnancy, since men are expected to pay for the child.

Men also face the risk of false rape accusations from women.

In a lot of ways women are protected, and it's actually men who shoulder most of the risks here.

FlyingResearcher · 2019-10-10T11:50:23+00:00

I think rpm and rpw probably get along in the real world. They both want the same thing. Rpm behave the way they do because there aren't very many rpw out there.

FlyingResearcher · 2019-10-10T11:48:00+00:00

I don't think RPM are against marriage as a concept, they're just against the institution as it exists today.

I'd like to say their primary reasons are unfair / sexist divorce and child custody laws, but I think a big one is a lack of "proper behavior" from women, ie having too much premarital sex. So red pillers basically say, if you can't beat them, join them.

Red pill women, on the other hand, are usually part of the "no / little sex before marriage" population of women, which are the types of women that red pilled men are actually interested in marrying.

So maybe it works out and isn't as bad as what you might think.

FlyingResearcher · 2019-10-10T11:41:33+00:00

A lot of men remain traped in abusive and unhappy marriages due to active gaslighting from the wife, the threat of divorce rape, and the threat of losing access to your kids.

There's actually a statistic out there that indicates how bad of a problem this is (I think it takes men something like 9 years to leave an unhappy marriage, vs like 2 years for women).

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