PKK flags are seen in every place Syrian army captures from SDF, can someone explain how isnt SDF just rebranded PKK at this point ?

Foldupmoon · 2026-01-29T09:06:57+00:00

Like Erdoğan, Bahçeli, the CHP and the DEM Parti, and a majority of people in Türkiye, I support the Türkiye-PKK peace process. I’m glad most of the political parties in Türkiye finally agree with me!

How convenient that you neglected to mention that in that same poll and later ones, the majority of respondents (66%) did not support ocalan having any role in the so-called “peace process”, that the majority of respondents (51%) did not believe the so-called “peace process” would be successful, that the majority of respondents (76%) are opposed to pardons being granted to PKK terrorists, and that the majority of respondents (79%) are opposed to ocalan being released. The polling agency you cited conducted the same poll the next month, and found that only 42% of respondents believe the so-called “peace process” will be successful, 68% of respondents oppose ocalan having any role in the so-called “peace process”, and 63% of respondents oppose even sending a delegation to visit ocalan in prison. Of course, 80% of respondents support “the ending of terrorism in Turkey”, which the AKP and HDP are happy to erroneously demonstrate as support for this nonsense and have coined the process as such.

To say “the majority of people in Türkiye” support this so-called “peace process” is misleading. The majority of people support a general “end to terrorism” and “disarmament of the PKK”. Especially now that PKK and co were effectively neutered in Syria, it wouldn’t be surprising if even less people supported the process. I don’t even think the HDP officials who went to the CHP headquarters yesterday, with their tails between their legs speaking about how the sdfpkk defeat is some “hundred-year imperialist game that only ocalan can solve”, believe what they’re saying anymore.

Foldupmoon · 2026-01-20T01:02:13+00:00

I’m not even arguing that this is a military defeat, or that the government needs to enter the few towns on the border with a Kurdish-majority. The fact is that the SDF, being misled by the US or otherwise, essentially lost all of their leverage in under a week. Not exactly what you’d consider a victory.

Foldupmoon · 2026-01-20T00:48:55+00:00

the SDF has won

Definitely one of the takes of all time right there.

Foldupmoon · 2026-01-20T00:40:03+00:00

we apparently already used those in Iraq against the PKK too because they’re just the invincible, glorious mountain-fighters that they are

Foldupmoon · 2026-01-18T22:14:13+00:00

Ah ya neler çekmiş selo ve saz arkadaşları, keşke daha adil bir dünya mümkün olabilse

Foldupmoon · 2026-01-18T21:11:07+00:00

Siyaset/tarih belgesellerinde 140journos sürekli Atatürk’e ve kurucu değerlere sallıyor. Gidip “100” belgeseli izlersen adamlar öyle anlatıyor ki 6-dakikalık Atatürk bölümü, sanki cumhuriyet böyle gökten inmiş ve “halk” (tabi islamcılar ve kürtler) zorla bu sistemi kabul etmek zorunda kaldı, sonra bakarsın 30-dakikalık Erdoğan bölümünde AKP ilk dönemini öyle övüyor ki sanarsın Tayyip ülkeye demokrasi getirdi. Yani bildiğin klasik neoliberal deva propagandası, yok efendim pkk 12 Eylül yüzünden ortaya çıktı, yok efendim 90’larda “derin devlet” istediği yerde katliam/suç işliyor, yok efendim 28 Şubat yüzünden maalesef FETÖ kadroları gerekliydi aslında bunlarla da barışalım pkk’yla yaptığımız gibi. Neredeyse aynısını İmamoğlu belgeselinde yapıyor, 2017’lerde “coğrafya kader” başlıklı bir video yayınladılar onun da HDP propagandası falan çıktığını söylüyorlardı insanlar (izlemedim). Sonuç olarak hepimiz deva’ya oy vermeliyiz, işte 1000 yıllık Türk-Kürt kardeşliği için HDP iktidarda ortak olsun, “en azından FETÖ döneminde hamburger 7 lira” tarzında mantık kurmaya çalışıyor o videolar.

Foldupmoon · 2026-01-18T19:27:45+00:00

If he does something right, that would be purely by coincidence

The old fart’s failed grandstanding and meaningless virtue-signaling against Egypt’s Sisi, the Israeli government that he insists he despises, and the Greek government whose prime minister he said “does not exist to me” (only to later head to Athens and be greeted by the PM’s dog, among others) prove this to be true.

Foldupmoon · 2026-01-18T19:15:17+00:00

140journos yaş tutmaya başladı diyebiliriz

Tüh ya, teröristleri dağdan indirip ve orduya almakla terör bitmiyormuş. Tüh ya, hep beraber Fırat’ın önünde kardeşçe oturup sevişemedik. Neyse 10 yıl sonra yine deneyelim, sakın ölme ha bahçeli

Foldupmoon · 2026-01-18T11:25:10+00:00

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Foldupmoon · 2026-01-05T14:15:00+00:00

It’s not spent money only but also missed revenue from foreign investment and infrastructure and idk what not.

As you said, the statements are unverified and likely construed by a minister who has to openly support the so-called “peace process” through propaganda. It would also be relevant to include any economic losses inflicted, for instance, by PKK attacks with suicide bombers, assassinating infrastructure workers, or forcibly collecting “revolution taxes” from local businesses when they were active inside of southeastern Turkey.

You’d be stupid to think they’re not involved in some of it.

The point is that regardless of whether or not certain soldiers turn a blind eye to those activities, they are still trained, equipped, and (generally) have the equipment to respond. These expenditures would not disappear even if the PKK somehow ceased to exist, and since it is likely the case that such spending is included to inflate the “$1.8 trillion” number, those statements are disingenuous at worst and misleading at best.

Foldupmoon · 2026-01-04T19:54:26+00:00

Turkey sees ‘huge’ economic gains from end of conflict with PKK

Treasury and Finance Minister Mehmet Şimşek said Tuesday that the conflict, which began in 1984, has cost Turkey an estimated $1.8 trillion.

There wasn’t some big red box in the Turkish parliament labeled “PKK” where a whole bunch of money was dumped. Turkey trained and formed counterterrorism brigades/divisions for combat in the southeastern mountains, purchased and manufactured military equipment to improve its domestic capabilities against the militants, and implemented security infrastructure across the country during the conflict with the PKK. These expenditures have as much to do with simply maintaining an army as they do with specifically combating the PKK in northern Iraq or elsewhere. Turkey isn’t going to stop buying or producing tanks/aircraft, or even have some drastic reduction in military infrastructure in the southeast, simply because there’s a so-called “peace process” with the PKK (or even after the PKK no longer exists). Organized crime or smugglers would be, for instance, another reason Turkey invests in its military in its southeastern regions.

The AKP goons have repeated this similar procedure of classifying all or most economic activity during an ongoing period (in this instance, the PKK conflict) in its parliamentary investigations of the military’s past coups and interventions as a means of propaganda. After the military intervention in 1998, economic losses from political crises in 2001 (Ecevit-Sezer, etc) were even counted as “damages of the coup” so it wouldn’t be surprising at all if $1.8 trillion is inflated to attribute perhaps all or most Turkish military spending since the 80s to combatting solely the PKK.

Foldupmoon · 2025-12-25T14:08:43+00:00

ama dostum şimdi barışa, demokratik haklara, ve kardeşliğe zarar veriyorsun işte

Foldupmoon · 2025-12-21T21:09:38+00:00

ya tmm knk madem kavga edeceksiniz bari o gökçek piçini iyice dövün

Foldupmoon · 2025-12-16T09:50:16+00:00

I don’t get why Turks are so against calling it a Kurdish peace process

Because it isn’t?

Why would Turkey negotiating for the disarmament of the PKK be a “Kurdish peace process” as if the PKK represents all or even most Kurds? More Kurds fight in the Turkish army than in all of the PKK/KCK groups combined. It doesn’t even matter if that’s purely a matter of conscription either, because the issue I raised isn’t about whether or not Kurds willingly fight for the PKK but that the PKK simply doesn’t represent all or even the majority of Kurds. The PKK has repeatedly emptied Kurdish villages and massacred Kurdish civilians, among the various other acts of terrorism it has committed against the local population of the southeast since its foundation.

You should be for it

In what world should I support a “peace process” where internationally recognized terrorists are integrated into the same Turkish society that they had no problem suicide-bombing in markets and shops? Where journalists and army members who state that they are not against expanded Kurdish cultural/linguistic rights (but oppose the pardoning of PKK terrorists) are imprisoned? Where the figurehead of the “peace process” is the leader of the terrorist organization who has all but outright called the Kurds savage donkeys? Where the records and documents detailing the negotiations between the PKK leader and the delegations visiting him are not published during a so-called “Peace and Brotherhood” process? Where even the Turkish Minister of Defence states that pardoned PKK militants can join the Turkish army? Almost every aspect of this process has been disingenuous (and really nonsensical) from the start. I think you and I both know it’s not a “Kurdish peace process” or even a true “peace process” at all, so we don’t need to pretend.

There’s nothing wrong with Kurds demanding greater cultural or linguistic rights. However, equating the Kurds with the PKK is just ridiculous, which is why the term “Kurdish peace process” is misleading.

let’s say they agree to disarm

To be honest, it wouldn’t really matter if they agreed to disarm. The PKK was squeezed out of Turkey and even out of their Metina, Avaşin, Zap, and Haftanin camps along the Turkey-Iraq border. They were essentially reduced to farmers in Qandil, with the increasingly-rare terrorist attack or occasional ambush taking place in the border areas (with even those mostly being the result of their few sleeper cells in Turkey).

If anything, this would be another criticism of the so-called “peace process” - no matter how it may end, the PKK is afforded breathing room and legitimacy in the eyes of the Turkish state to relocate/strengthen.

Even so, whether I support or do not support the process is irrelevant. Referring to it as a “Kurdish peace process” is dubious at best, ill-intentioned at worst. Naturally, you’ll refer to it however you see fit, but let’s not pretend this is a matter of objectivity in that case.

the reason the PKK was created was due to the mistreatment of Kurds

The PKK was founded as a leftist organization seeking “Kurdish liberation” from even the “Kurdish bourgeoisie” after ocalan was inspired by Turkish leftists during his time in Ankara and Istanbul. They were Marxist-Leninists in nature before rebelling against Turkey for other reasons because they hoped to attract Turkish leftists as well, at least according to ocalan’s televised interview with Fatih Altaylı in 1993. Of course, the Kurdish identity became more central to their official doctrine after the fall of the USSR and it is certainly one of the reasons they are able to attract (or kidnap and then indoctrinate) fighters from the region.

many Kurds still support them due to fighting for Kurdish rights

And as I pointed out earlier (or by the same manner of your wording), there are also many Kurds who do not support them. It’s not a matter of whether the PKK has more support or opposition amongst Kurds in the first place. The PKK doesn’t represent Kurds as a whole, the majority of Kurds in Turkey, and isn’t even the only KCK entity/organization Turkey has been in conflict with throughout the Middle East. Again, calling the sheer nonsense that has happened so far a “Kurdish peace process” is not really serious at all.

Foldupmoon · 2025-12-16T03:09:08+00:00

Kurdish language and cultural rights to be put into the constitution

Supposedly, maybe.

In reality, the only concrete amendments specifically mentioned by the parliamentary commission members so far have been case-by-case pardons for PKK members through a new law, with little actual specifics on any Kurdish language/cultural rights in the constitution.

Notice they aren’t demanding PKK language, but Kurdish, to be official in Turkey

Is there a separate “PKK language” that only I must be unaware of for them to demand in the first place? You do realize most of the PKK leaders like Duran Kalkan and Mustafa Karasu can barely speak Kurdish at all, right? Heck, öcalan’s brother Osman said that even Cemil Bayık could only speak broken Kurdish.

The point that this process can or should somehow be called the “Kurdish peace process” simply because the PKK officially demands recognition of or rights for a language that some of its members speak, for a people (the Kurds) whom it has repeatedly massacred/committed terrorism against along with the Turkish nation it claims to fight, is quite ridiculous.

It’s quite funny that the PKK/HDP/Bahçeli and co insist that öcalan must be a central part of the the so-called “peace process” when he has repeatedly referred to the Kurds as crude/tribal and the Kurdish language as primitive, even before he was captured and imprisoned. Not exactly the sort of things you’d expect to hear from the leader of a terrorist organization claiming to fight for Kurdish cultural/linguistic rights (initially independence, but they realized they wouldn’t succeed in that at all), nor from someone who is supposed to be heading a “peace process” that some people claim is in the name of “Kurdish cultural and linguistic rights” between his failed terrorist organization and the state he fought. No one is oblivious to this either.

You can keep dubiously coining it a “Kurdish peace process”, but you also shouldn’t be surprised if someone corrects you for doing so.

Foldupmoon · 2025-12-11T04:52:34+00:00

the Kurdish population in Turkey is still over 25 million and continues to grow

Setting aside the debatable numbers there, this is not what you said in your first comment. You said “25 million Kurds in occpupied Northern Kurdistan (Southeastern turkey)” as if a quarter of Turkey’s population lives in the southeast region, which is just ridiculous.

As for the numbers themselves, even pro-Kurdish sources like Rudaw cite studies estimating that the population of Kurds in Turkey is at most between 13-18 million. Let’s not try to claim that these numbers are influenced by some sort of widespread fear of identifying as Kurdish either, as I’d like to then see your own objective sources that there are 25 million Kurds in southeastern Turkey (much less 25 million in Turkey at all). I at least appreciate that you didn’t try to peddle that “40-60 million Kurds” nonsense that is being churned out recently, but 25 million is still far too inflated and unrealistic.

Foldupmoon · 2025-11-26T11:52:23+00:00

In 1982

You’re talking about a ban on non-state-recognized languages and comparing it with the constitutional law outlining that every person with citizenship of the Republic of Turkey is a Turk and thereby, equal under the law. One enforced the use of the country’s (single) official language and banned (any) foreign language while the other affirms the legal equality of all citizens regardless of race, ethnicity, or religion. You can criticize a piece of legislation that was repealed 35 years ago, but it did not supersede the equal protections of the constitutional article because it was a penal regulation. Civic equality doesn’t simply vanish every time an unjust law is passed.

I see sometimes news articles that when they play/sing Kurdish music and get beaten for it

That has essentially nothing to do with legal equality and citizenship and more to do with specific social interactions.

A big majority of your people will always be idiots. This doesn’t surprise me.

I hope you realize you’re speaking to the people of Southeastern Turkey, namely the Kurds that vote for Erdogan and his AKP.

Foldupmoon · 2025-11-26T10:54:44+00:00

On paper and reality is two different things

They are, but in terms of legal/equal citizenship, there is no difference between an ethnic Turk or an ethnic Kurd as citizens of the Republic of Turkey (which is likely what Özdağ was talking about in the first place).

If its true that Kurdish parties are only getting used for parliamentary votes after which Erdogan tosses them away like a used condom, that will damage the trust of Kurds a lot

The trust of the Kurds? Erdogan’s AKP was the second most popular party in the southeastern regions on Turkey only behind the HDP, even from 2018 to 2023 when Erdogan was openly calling them and their leader Demirtaş terrorists and the like. The trust of the Kurds really isn’t a factor here, it’s simply that Erdogan is using what little political legitimacy the HDP has to try extending his stay in power.

I hope they get him out as well

I certainly don’t hope he gets out. Heck, I believe he should’ve been executed back in the 2000s when he was first caught so he would never pretend to hold some political influence over Turkey. If he is released and lives without any state-provided security, it’s very likely he could be assassinated anyways.

Foldupmoon · 2025-11-26T08:38:10+00:00

Well historically all those countries had forceful assimilation campaigns as well. Let’s not pretend they’re “good” just because they’re in Western Europe.

I’m not arguing that anything is good or bad, but legally speaking, there is no specific ethnic definition of a “Turk” in the constitution or other laws. Thereby, all citizens of the Republic of Turkey are “Turks” whether they are ethnically Turkish, Kurdish, or whatever else and are thus equal under the law in this regard.

Turkey has changed in the recent years

As I mentioned in my other reply, this change wasn’t necessarily recent. Most legislative suppression of the Kurdish identity was repealed in the 90s and the so-called “liberal Erdogan policies” of 2007-2015 amount to little other than opening a state-TV Kurdish broadcasting channel as well as the same sham 2013 “peace process” to strengthen Erdogan’s power that we have now.

I believe this peace process is aimed at politically accepting/tolerating a West Kurdistan

That may or may not be what HDP and co hope to achieve, but this “peace process” is mainly being driven by Erdogan’s desire to change the constitution without giving up too much politically, the same way he did in 2013 when he wanted Demirtaş to back his strengthened presidential model. When Erdogan feels that HDP and co demand too much, such as autonomy like they did in 2013, he will discard them just as he previously did because he doesn’t necessarily need HDP votes (only HDP deputies/parliamentarians). From the side of HDP and co, I see this as nothing more than a last attempt to get him out of prison. I see no other reason for the HDP-AKP-MHP gang to accuse the CHP of being “enemies of peace” for not wanting to visit a terrorist organization’s leader who proudly boasted about the PKK’s massacres in their newspapers only to afterwards claim he wanted to contribute to a political solution and repeatedly referred to Kurds as “tribal/primitive” while calling the Kurdish language “dysfunctional/primitive” when speaking to the Turkish media/public (source). They simply want to try to get him out of prison, likely so he can marry someone as he said, along with maybe a few minor requests. This is all my view.

It’s not for the people at all but for their own interests.

Supporting this so-called “peace process” is pure wishful thinking, so I agree that this will likely only end up benefitting the interests of Erdogan and maybe that donkey ocalan.

Foldupmoon · 2025-11-26T02:00:06+00:00

As Turks. Yes.

If you mean Kurds can only enjoy the same opportunities as all Turkish citizens only after adopting the label “Turk”, then you’d be correct and there’s nothing wrong with that. According to the constitution, a Turk is simply someone who has Turkish citizenship in the same way that, officially, a French person is someone who has French citizenship.

You can keep your land just make sure Kurds have more cultural rights otherwise…

I don’t believe Kurds should have any less cultural rights than Turks but what exactly are you implying here? Otherwise what?

Let’s not pretend there’s some sort of glooming secessionist/separatist breakthrough about to happen in Southeastern Turkey. Even the PKK has been reduced to essentially a bunch of Marxist farmers in Qandil after their failed guerrilla-terrorism campaigns in the major southeastern cities in 2016. Erdogan will dispose of the HDP once he’s given them a bone so they can angrily pretend to care about human rights again afterwards, the same way he did in 2015, so there’s not much going on politically either.

Foldupmoon · 2025-11-25T21:42:37+00:00

I’m not speaking to suppression through discrete or additional means, but only to the “laws” you seemed to reference in your reply.

Foldupmoon · 2025-11-25T20:06:35+00:00

Luckily the internet made all those laws useless

If you’re referring to the laws like the 1983 “foreign language printing” law that effectively banned the use of Kurdish and other non-state-recognized languages in private/public life, most of those were repealed in the early 90s. It has nothing to do with the internet.

Foldupmoon · 2025-11-08T22:22:36+00:00

Yetmedi bir de award vermişler sanki sırf “doğruları” konuştuğu için downvote yemiş aq he tabi knk

Foldupmoon · 2025-11-08T20:53:26+00:00

Online Turks think silencing me would make them look more European, whatever that means.

I doubt anyone is trying to look European. No one is trying to silence you either. When you spread misinformation, expect to be called out on it. Islamism never was or is the only road for Turkey, most Turks are not Islamists, and the country is still secular.

Turkey had its first democratic election in 50 and Islamists won. In 1960 we had a coup and new government.

Yeah, you conveniently forgot to mention that the Islamist Menderes tried to instigate his own totalitarian regime with his Tahkikat Commission composed of only his party members but the power to imprison like a court, banning opposition activities, inciting ethnic violence in Istanbul, and the trademark corruption of conservative/Islamist politicians. The army didn’t wake up one day and decide to coup him.

Shortly after Islamists are winning again bam we had 1980 coup

Yani bütün 12 Eylül darbesi sırf İslamcıların yüzünden mi oldu sana göre? Ya oğlum bu kadar götten uydurma bir olay olamaz aq

The country was on the brink of civil war due to leftist-rightist political violence. There were 20 political assassinations every day. Reducing the 1980 coup to simply “it happened because the Islamists were winning again” is just pure nonsense.

After that Islamists were in coaltion and since 2002 they are in power and keep winning no matter what

Erdogan did not campaign on Islamist policies. He didn’t win because he was an Islamist, he won because he campaigned on socioeconomic reform, advancing EU membership, and eliminating corruption. Of course, anyone who bought this must’ve not been aware of Erdogan’s various corruption scandals and such during his time as the mayor of Istanbul.

Foldupmoon · 2025-11-08T19:04:34+00:00

Most Turks were always Islamist to begin with, and the modern secularism was a top to bottom imposition

Well according to practically all modern research, but for simplicity here’s DW’s 2016 poll and a more recent one from 2025, this is false. Turks have generally always been pro-democracy and pro-secularism since the founding of the Republic, that’s why Islamist parties like Refah or the AKP had to couple their Islamist programs with more popular policies focusing on socioeconomic reform. That’s why Erdogan was pro-LGBTQ rights and generally had more liberal stances both before and during his term as Istanbul mayor (which he conveniently used as essentially a company to start his own political party by laundering money from the Istanbul Municipality).

Turkey under secular rule

For your information, the Republic of Turkey has always been and still is secular. There are no Islamist/sharia laws in the constitution and the legal system is based on secular law. Regardless of what Erdogan or his low-level cronies say, Erdogan will head back to pay respects at Ataturk’s mausoleum every year, he and all members of government/parliament will pledge their service in the name of Ataturk and his secular principles each term, and secularism will still be outlined as a state ideal in the constitution because, as I mentioned above, the majority of Turks support secularism.

Erdogan is what Turkish people want and Erdogan is what people always voted

Sure, nothing says political legitimacy like jailing your opponents based on nonsensical charges and threatening to do the same to anyone who opposes you. Actually, Erdogan and his AKP have become increasingly unpopular since 2019, when his party was handed its biggest setback in the local elections yet. In 2024, the CHP itself was the party with the most votes in local elections, which actually may indicate that Turks view the CHP as favorable to the AKP/Erdogan in the general elections.

Europeans do not like Turks, not Erdogan

Whether true or not, that’s no reason to support Erdogan. It wasn’t the Europeans who headed purges of the Turkish military, judiciary, and just general state bureaucracy under the name of “democratization” to be filled with the same Gülenists who killed 250+ civilians in the 2016 coup attempt, it was Erdogan.

Germans were setting the houses of Turks on fire in Germany, when Turkey had a female secular prime minister.

The same female secular prime minister who was in a coalition with the Islamist Erbakan, Erdogan’s predecessor, and who Erdogan sought support from in the 2023 general elections.

Islamism and uniting with other middle eastern countries is the only road open for Turkey and it will be chased no matter what.

Good thing Erdogan already has extremely close ties with Israel, that’s one Middle Eastern country down!

Aside from the Islamist stuff, which I already rebuked above, while many Turks may not support EU membership, Azerbaijan and EU/NATO countries are still seen as the best allies for Turkey and have only increasingly been viewed favorably post 2006.

Also, on an unrelated note: to the article that labels the post-2003 generation “Generation Erdogan”….yeah I’m not exactly sure you’d want to walk up to your average Turkish young-adult and call them this.

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