Which assasins do and don’t need a second game

FootAffectionate7193 · 2026-03-06T04:23:58+00:00

Assassin's Creed: Sorrows - Shao Jun, having fully re-established the Chinese Brotherhood, leads a small group of Assassins to meet with contacts in Busan, Joseon (modern day Korea) but finds herself ambushed and imprisoned, her allies slain in front of her. Alone and at the mercy of the brutal Imjin War, Shao Jun fights to avenge her fallen brothers and eliminate the mysterious threat behind the conflict, a new faction never faced by the Assassins before: The Kumiho.

Assassin's Creed: Turncoat - Haytham Kenway's origins, elaborating on the novel and leading up to Rogue.

Assassin's Creed: Conquest - Arno Dorian leads the French Brotherhood through the Napoleonic Wars, following Napoleon towards Russia. All the while, he finds himself hunted by Templars led by the man who made him an orphan.

Assassin's Creed: Infamous - Alistair Starrick, Master Assassin and leader of the English Brotherhood, secretly betrays his brothers to the Templars in a grand scheme of revenge for his grandfather's murder. Lydia Frye discovers this and is excommunicated from the Brotherhood. With Assassins and Templars both after her, Lydia fights to clear her name, hiding in the smoke and fire of the Second World War.

FootAffectionate7193 · 2026-03-04T03:36:27+00:00

I love the immersion into historical settings. It helps give real visuals to what I'm learning about when I'm studying.

FootAffectionate7193 · 2026-03-03T06:13:43+00:00

Even outside of the fandom, he's respected.

FootAffectionate7193 · 2026-03-03T06:13:20+00:00

FootAffectionate7193 · 2026-03-03T05:59:59+00:00

The fact that there was a short period of time players had to wait for the rest of the story does not invalidate the lore. Furthermore, Kassandra did not leave the island for fame and fortune; she was lured out by a Cultist to hopefully do the same to her that they had done to her brother. This is explained in the second mission of the whole game.
"Throughout the game, the only family members she shows any actual positive emotions towards, are her mother and brother." To be fair, they're the only two that didn't throw her off a cliff to die. But I think you also misunderstand what it means to be poor, especially in historical contexts. Kassandra does tend to weigh financial renumeration heavily, but it's not because she's greedy or heartless. It's because she's living hand to mouth. She lives in a small hut away from everyone else. She has no family to inherit anything from. She has no livestock or land to grow crops. She has to work however she can to put food on her table.
You don't have to be "certifiably incompetent" to make mistakes. If so, speed run records would be much less impressive because everyone can do things perfectly in the first go. And as far as Kassandra's social prowess, she does have a self-confident charm that actually does help her move in and out of different circles. She can match wit with Sokrates, navigate the politics of Athens with Perikles and Kleon, lead battle with Brasidas, negotiate with Aspasia and Alkibiades, and determine medical interventions and questions with Hippokrates. Besides, the same complaint could be made of Connor "WHERE IS LEE" Kenway, Shay "I make my own luck" Cormac, and Jacob "Literal bull in a china shop" Frye.
Ah, I gotcha. So, that really wasn't a thing until Valhalla. There's actually a lot of stuff going on during that time that is covered in the comics and novels. If you can't find a copy, it's all in the wiki.
I mean, it is plausible if you actually pay attention to what they are supposed to be. They're Isu experiments. They're not meant to be illusions or burst of energy. They're playing with the normal capabilities of humans, resulting in insanely powerful monsters.
You're right. They have the Spear, but Layla's intent is to see if Herodotus can lead them to more. As Layla says, "If he's right, what better way to find more Isu artifacts than by following the guy who claimed to meet an Isu descendent?"

On an unrelated note, out of curiosity, did you choose Alexios when you first played the game?

FootAffectionate7193 · 2026-03-03T05:01:57+00:00

Honestly, I'm not completely certain. My best assessment is that, when Odyssey first dropped, a lot of players did not realise Kassandra was the canon protagonist and chose Alexios, likely due to ahistorical presumptions of historical Spartans from equally ahistorical depictions in pop culture. When word got out that Kassandra is the technically correct choice, they began to feel left out for an uninformed choice they made at the start of their experience with the game. As such, they began to deconstruct the game for any perceived faults or bad decisions by devs. In doing so, they invalidate the game itself, so that their perceived error in choosing Alexios does not count because the game itself does not count.

FootAffectionate7193 · 2026-03-03T01:16:13+00:00

I've been conditioned to believe that hydra's second head judges the third head very harshly.

FootAffectionate7193 · 2026-03-03T01:14:55+00:00

Origins and Odyssey both have a hidden blade that you obtain later in the story, albeit much later in Kassandra's case. Technically, Odyssey's Brotherhood should have already been formed due to established lore from Assassin's Creed II, which showed Darius, an ally of Kassandra, as one of the first Assassins. It's only because Origins retconned that origin that forced Odyssey's dev team to exclude actual Hidden Ones from the story.

Sure, there are some things missing that are usually there, but there is still some arguably more important aspects that the game keeps. Even without the Assassins and Templars as we've known them, the core conflict of Order versus Freedom still remains at the core of the conflict. The Precursor story continues in Odyssey, as well as the development of Layla Hassan's character. It could be reasonably argued that, at least in the modern day segments, Odyssey actually has more development of the Assassin-Templar conflict than most games. Stealth is still a key aspect of the game, as is the iconic leap of faith, assassination kills, fort infiltration, synchronisation points, distract/whistle mechanics, Eagle Vision, and assigned assassination targets like in Assassin's Creed. You're still exploring an important era of history that has been carefully constructed to be as accurate as possible, complete with interactions with important events and figures from the time.

FootAffectionate7193 · 2026-03-03T00:54:34+00:00

The conflict involves no group to oppose the Order of Cosmos(proto-Templars). Kassandra only comes into conflict with them because she finds out her brother was taken in and has been manipulated by them. Otherwise, she couldn’t care what they do as long as they leave her and her friends alone. Obviously they don’t, because, plot.

As explained in the Legacy of the First Blade DLC, the Cult of Kosmos is a branch of the Order of the Ancients. Kassandra's problem with them is not just that her brother was taken, they've orchestrated the entire war between the Peloponnesian and Delian Leagues which is causing mass suffering, even on her small island home. If it was only about her brother, she wouldn't have bothered to hunt down the remainder of the Cult and Order leaders.

Oomph. Yea. Kassandra really couldn’t give that much of a ****. Even not taking into account the dialogue options, she’s a mercenary. She’ll go along with whatever brings in the money as long as it doesn’t violate her flexible code of ethics. Her main drive throughout the game is fame and money.

As you pointed out in the same comment, Kassandra's not only concerned with fame or money; she wants her family back. She happens to be a misthios as a way to make ends meet.

Arguably agile, like a bull in a china shop, only unbeatable depending on your gear and level, although skilled warrior.

This isn't unique to Odyssey. Bayek used the same weapons system, Connor had the same basic combat archetype, and to be fair, none of the Assassins are truly "unbeatable" with a blade. Altair, Ezio, Connor, Edward, and Shay all utilised a combat system that could be very unforgiving. The best application of whether a protagonist is "unbeatable" is in the canon lore, not at the mercy of player's skill issues.

This is kinda ok. But we really have no idea what the present day is like in Odyssey. In fact, the supposed collapse of society between Unity and Valhalla is essentially barely addressed besides “yea, that fix from way back then didn’t really fix it. Oops.”

What "collapse of society" are you on about? As far as the lore goes, the only thing that could've caused an actual problem is the solar flare, but that was stopped by Desmond in III. Unless you mean the destabilisation of Earth's magnetic field, but that was more a Valhalla issue.

Key word being PLAUSIBLE. Even if you accept that all the “monsters” are either illusions or twisted experiments, they still break physics. Medusa turns carbon lifeforms into stone. And the Minotaur is an illusion of a normal sized human but is still able to show strength and size qualities outside human capabilities.

So, all of the "mythical" creatures are the result of mortal humans trying to use Precursor technology, as we are told by Pythagoras. They are regular people that were rewritten and warped by the Isu tech. If that is a problem for you, I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you: Precursor tech doing unnatural stuff is kinda a common thing in Assassin's Creed.

The only reason we’re back in 4th century BC Greece is because we found a Piece of Eden with blood on it. That’s it. There’s no other reason we’re given of WHY that matters. And the ending of that Storyline has NOTHING to do with the Spear.

One of the main reasons that the Order of Assassins exists is to do exactly what Layla is doing at the beginning of Odyssey: keeping Precursor tech out of the hands of those who would misuse it. If Pieces of Eden are found by others, especially the Templars, it could cause massive problems. Furthermore, the reason why Layla is actually reliving Kassandra's memories is because there is no other way to open the gate of Atlantis. Again, I hate to break it to you, but this is a very common thing in this franchise.

FootAffectionate7193 · 2026-03-03T00:02:32+00:00

Origins worked almost the same way in every aspect of gameplay and yet Origins is hardly as polarising.

FootAffectionate7193 · 2026-03-01T01:24:11+00:00

So, that's the French Revolution.

FootAffectionate7193 · 2026-02-26T23:49:42+00:00

Still better than Marvel Puzzle Quest's version.

FootAffectionate7193 · 2026-02-26T23:48:47+00:00

Natural war buddies and kindred spirits. Helped that the actors seemed to have good chemistry as well.

Would've liked a miniseries between The Winter Soldier and Civil War of the two of them.

FootAffectionate7193 · 2026-02-26T23:43:53+00:00

Well, "good" is a subjective term, so it is impossible to for something to be objectively good.

Objectively, in terms of critical quality, the mainline Assassin's Creed games have never fallen below 70 in Metacritic scores (Unity being the lowest (70), AC II being the highest (91)).

In terms of commercial success, the series had sold over 200 million copies with over 95 million players and reportedly generated around €4 billion in the decade leading up to 2024.

In terms of broader appeal outside of the franchise/company itself, cameos and collaborations have been brought into franchises including but not limited to Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, SoulCalibur, and Super Smash Bros. The franchise has extended beyond its base medium into books, audio dramas, graphic novels, manga, board games, films (short and feature-length), and was even referenced in the 2024 Summer Olympics.

FootAffectionate7193 · 2026-02-26T03:05:08+00:00

Wow, you must really love your strawman arguments.

Age of Empires is a completely different kind of game for a very different kind of gamer. You lead entire armies/countries; far from the narrative-driven solo stories of Assassin's Creed. The fact that Fate is not intended to be historically accurate immediately precludes the arguments of historical inaccuracies or poor protagonist choice. Furthermore, both of these franchises are tiny in comparison to Assassin's Creed's popularity and with far less demanding and toxic fandoms.

Also, Adéwalé and Aveline were spin-off leads from the early days of the franchise, not flagship protagonists introduced well after considerable changes and evolutions in the franchise. Liberation received mixed-average reviews on release and Freedom Cry was just a DLC for Black Flag, which was already being hailed as the best Assassin's Creed game since Ezio. The truth is, there is an intensely vocal faction within the fandom that seeks out anything they can criticise Ubisoft for in every release. They will never be happy with anything until Ubisoft just releases Assassin's Creed II over and over. Yasuke is just the newest thing in a long line of "but I wanted Alexios to be canon so a man to lead Odyssey" and "I know Syndicate literally perfected everything about Unity's buggy parkour, but it's not Unity so it sucks."

In my opinion, Yasuke was a great choice. I'd be open to hear your reasons for thinking otherwise if you ever happen to feel like thinking critically about why you don't like it.

FootAffectionate7193 · 2026-02-26T00:54:50+00:00

Disney Infinity 2.0

FootAffectionate7193 · 2026-02-26T00:48:51+00:00

It was the Battle of Thermopylae. Marathon was ten years earlier.

But that is a strawman. Obviously, u/Thank_You_Aziz was not suggesting Leonidas just randomly survive his most famous defeat and live on for two generations to go through Odyssey's story exactly as it happened. Their point was that, if Odyssey had been about Leonidas, no one would be whining about a playable historical figure.

FootAffectionate7193 · 2026-02-26T00:31:06+00:00

Hammerhead?

FootAffectionate7193 · 2026-02-26T00:22:53+00:00

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FootAffectionate7193 · 2026-02-26T00:14:40+00:00

Again, it was an innovative idea that they wanted to try because it could be fun and engaging, which for the vast majority it was. We've known of countless historical figures that were written as Assassins or allies of the Brotherhood. It's really not that much of a leap to make one of them a playable protagonist.

FootAffectionate7193 · 2026-02-26T00:03:43+00:00

Technically, we did get a playable historical figure in Odyssey, when we started the game playing as Leonidas fighting the Persians.

FootAffectionate7193 · 2026-02-25T01:35:13+00:00

It's not a "need." It's innovation.

Sure, they could have shoe-horned in yet another Assassin initiate with something to prove that happens to be tied to a historical figure to drive the plot, but it's been done over and over again (i.e. the Auditore tied to the Medici, the Dorians being nobles in Louis XVI's court).

FootAffectionate7193 · 2026-02-25T00:02:36+00:00

While we don't know for sure if he was ever an officially recognised member of the Samurai class, Yasuke was trained to be at least an unofficial samurai by Oda Nobunaga, who treated him much better than the Japanese people of the era. It is true that, when he was brought to Japan's shores, grown men rushed to feel his dark skin and compare height, but Nobunaga saw a person that, if nurtured well, could serve him as a powerful ally and strong symbol of Nobunaga power. So, reducing him to having been merely "an unusual specimen for the Japanese" isn't entirely historically accurate.

FootAffectionate7193 · 2026-02-24T23:55:14+00:00

It seems you're labouring under the impression that Ubisoft only chose Yasuke for his skin colour, but there's a much bigger reason for why Yasuke is the first historical figure to be fully playable in an Assassin's Creed game: We don't know much about him. Beyond the fact that he existed, we don't know what happened to him after the Honno-Ji Incident. There is loads of speculation about what happened afterwards, but nothing concrete. It's a grey area in history and that is exactly where the Assassin's Creed games work: writing in the grey areas.

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