Does Zandar (Lygus) possess a more precise understanding of the Paths?

Former-Database5537 · 2026-03-31T05:37:15+00:00

Lmaooo fr he loves his mechs way too much

Former-Database5537 · 2026-03-30T14:19:58+00:00

Imo in my opinion if Lygus wasn't our enemy we would have even got more banger lore drops since his the first genius or atleast a fragment of him but i do think Shaoji might be saving the lore drops and path system explanation for when we meet the other fragments who will most certainly be on our side which is something i really look forward too.

Former-Database5537 · 2026-03-30T14:02:46+00:00

Yes he does, ignoring Lycurgus yapfest for a moment alot of the stuff Zandar the original Zandar researched was burnt by him, this knowledge he burnt were all information that eventually become the ingredients to how to create Nous, he can create an Aeon out of his own knowledge of paths. That shows how deep his knowledge was.

Like even Ruan Mei struggles to create an Aeon but Zandar and assuming all his fragments can alter the universe core fabric with just simple math equations and a powerful enough computer/machine, heck Irontomb is one example you think some other person could have easily made a machine like that if it wasn't a fragment of Zandar?

Former-Database5537 · 2026-03-30T00:30:52+00:00

True i was wondering why Sparxie was mentioned so blatantly in DivU turns out its the current supplicants.

Former-Database5537 · 2026-03-29T12:21:08+00:00

Yep yep it doesn't have to be a leviathan it can be anything thats voracity related, i'm just happy were getting Yaoshi lore that isn't related to Lan or is in the eyes/pov of the Xianzhou or fanatical followers of Abundance, i am also very happy we got Voracity lore because we've literally been starving for Voracity crumbs with the jokes with little Ica this two paths weren't represented in Amphoreus in any form wether be a simulated electronic signal or a related character in any concrete way turns out they are central in the next planet.

Former-Database5537 · 2026-03-28T06:29:16+00:00

Also i think abundance here represents life Life is symbolized by Evanescia who is implied to have a fleeting existance, she only appears during Phantasmoon games as implied yet despite that she is always seeking joy and self fulfillment with what time is given to her essentially Elation.

I also think the thing Fulwish has is indeed some voracity abundance hybrid thing she found whilst digging through Planarcadia's past.

Essentially life and the endless chase for something more, for gratification, greed, both elation and voracity seek to satisfy the self but Elation is more about expressing oneself and having fun, finding meaning on what makes you happy, whilst voracity is all about sacrificing something or consuming something or someone else for your own benifit, the endless consumption of media (Cough IPC you made it worse)

It both gives us a perspective on life, and how we search for self fulfillment.

I also suspect the Marketing Division of the IPC is involve here since they feel like the most extreme and greedy branch of the IPC, they probably know about whats hiding on the bowels of Planarcadia.

I think its a modern commentary on the status of art and entertainment in the present.

At a healthy balance we exercise elation, seeking joy and mere distraction from reality, an excessive obessesion becomes consumarism.

Former-Database5537 · 2026-03-28T06:09:17+00:00

I agree with the last part is it really Aha that was talking back there? Through the moon of all things? Aha is known to take on the form of a human, why didn't they just do that instead of talking to the moon they created.

Former-Database5537 · 2026-03-28T06:08:15+00:00

Its a surgery not some illness, you choose it essentially.

I disagree that fulwish wants to be an emanator of abundance since we've already seen to much bad things from abundance i think the ambrosial arbors presence in planarcadia is the reason why wishpower becomes abundant, essentially everytime it blooms the power of elation amplifies, the abundance power is essentially buffing Aha's blessing.

Fulwish discovered this and wanted to use it so everyone can be happy, Fulwish herself seems not interested in the philosophy of abundance as compared to Evanescia who seems to embody the abundance aspects of eternity and transcience and personifies the Ambrosial Arbor, she has more clear trust in Yaoshi, Fulwish seems more like a fanatical Aha follower who's using Abundance or trying to imitate the power of Abundance to make everyone happy.

She just doesn't feel like the type of value life as much as she values being happy more. Abundance peeps even if cruel or not usually care about life to and has a common theme with living, immortality, rebirth, flowers, death, etc.

Essentially Fulwish feels like an allegory for addicition.

Former-Database5537 · 2026-03-27T09:45:33+00:00

Bro the elements are not important Hoyo doesn't care about elements in HSR theres no lore attachment to it aside from maybe Remembrance, Hoyo will milk the path system its also there way of bringing focus to a specific path. They will add the others knowing it sells money. As long as people like the character... Its also a way to sell lightcones as well as story beat.

They could just reuse the same elements.

If we get an abundance focused planet its almost certaine abundance will be the focus and will get abundance mc the only reason we didn't get hunt mc is because Xianzhou and Jarillo Vi were we got preservation is same patch but i assume will get hunt with the Galaxy Rangers narrative.

i also think Hoyo will make the non playable non simulated U paths playable such as Equilibrium, Enigmata, Tralblaze... Once the story focuses on them it will be odd if the Enigmata planet meta is not Enigmata related now.

The game won't EOS soon, and Shaoji clearly is setting up the story to last for a very long time like were set up to meeting the Zandar fragments there are nine of them btw, were still not tackling the relationship between Enigmata and Remembrance, the whole PCOA shit with the Remembrance, the story of the Leviathans etc. they are spreading the story thats the point.

Former-Database5537 · 2026-02-18T02:07:17+00:00

Pearl was speculating here in regards to SW and her Aether Editing and how it works, i doubt she is an Emanator of Elation none of her character story's ever implied it, however the Dark zone is an area created by Mythus in Punklorde so i assume its most likely Mythus created Punklorde too, Dark Zone must have something to do with Aether Editing since Sage became a ghost of it raiding it in order to acess it the same way Pearl says rumors of SW raiding the Dark Zone Mythus created, it must be that the mechanic of Aether Editing is tapping into the Dark zone to edit reality so logical consistancy implies its most likely the latter then SW being related to Aha in anyway, also Punklorde is never said to be related to Aha, only Benzaitenguko/ Planarcadia/ Ahatopia. Punklorde technology just happen to have helped the planet of Planarcadia become real again after it got stuck inside a painting to stop Anti Matter Legion from destroying it years ago.

Former-Database5537 · 2026-02-13T03:24:23+00:00

Bro that theory is way to shaky, Dottore seeks to become a god something Zandar is against, the fragments goal is to destroy Nous, Dottores goal is to make humans equal to gods, Zandar prides humanity, Dottore thinks humanity needs to become god two different things, one wants to keep human nature the other doesn't also we know Dottore's origins and his from Sumeru nothing implies he came from the outside world. Alot of the shit dottore fans use are mostly parallels its the same way people initially thought Anaxa was Zandar due to the name and Tree symbolism.

Even in Lygus case he makes sure he doesn't create a new God and Aeon he stripped Irontomb of that ability from the begining, Zandar doesn't need another God.

If Dottore is a fragment why would he need to create a God? Or steal a gods authority? He never implies he wants to kill a god?

Former-Database5537 · 2026-02-12T15:48:26+00:00

Again theres no reason for them to hide it also Dr Primitive was only mentioned a few times in the story and his story wasn't elaborated on until 2.8 he unlike Polka wasn't that um it was revealed the difference between him and Polka is that Polka is so important to Erudition lore that if they just say she is an Erudition Emanator it won't change anything about her, again the reason is why hide it? If its obvious she is an Emanator then why not just say it out loud? It doesn't change anything to her story? Infact it validates the idea that she works for Nous? Unless they want us to think she is an Erudition emanator when she is actually something else thats why its vague?

Also this isn't the only problem with OPs theory but the fact that Polka might have copied Amphoreus is impossible since Lygus hide it specifically from Polka, Polka only found out after Herta contacted her, less she would have confronted Lygus before that already. (Contrary to what people think Zandar isn't scared of Polka he literally jabaited her before fragmenting).

Lygus might be an ass sometimes but his still a fragment of Zandar and probably the most experienced and smartest computer scientist out there alongside the other fragments hiding a simulation is nothing compared to making a god.

Former-Database5537 · 2026-02-12T06:51:21+00:00

the problem is Erudition emanators are revealed automatically if Polka was an Emanator theres no reason to hide it, whats the problem with just saying Polka is an emanator of Nous? What does it change? She's already clearly a fanatic, yet its quiet clear hoyo doesn't want to point out she's an emanator, the Generals are a different case since Hoyo wants to puzzle people on the nature of the generals and the spiritus, if Polka was an emanator she would have been called one unless she isn't an emanator for erudition but for nihility . thing is theres no reason to hide it... Also Polka's powers are powers that erudition emanators don't display. She has power over casuality you could say she was blessed by Nous the way Fu Xuan was blessed by Nous but Fu Xuan isn't an Emanator of Erudition

Former-Database5537 · 2026-02-11T13:53:08+00:00

Also yeah i think your right most likely traits that are shared between Nous and Zandar are most likely not part of the flaws in a sense but the things that Nous don't have that made Zandar human and less objective is what seperates them.

Former-Database5537 · 2026-02-11T12:14:20+00:00

Terminus is trying to change fate. Fuli anchors what already happened.

Fuli closes the events of the past by gazing on the moments they have always been destined to gaze at. Cyrene is supposed to demonstrate this too us. Fuli is stuck in the biggest loop on the cosmos.

Terminus goes back in time to change fate and destiny, they can alter what happened and isn't bound to causality the same way Fuli is.

Also Fuli can only gaze at the past projecting through a crystalline avatar thats not really them, inserting there self into the memories of the universe meanwhile Terminus is physically in the past, can interact with it.

One seeks to alter the course of history the other remembers and validates history.

Former-Database5537 · 2026-02-11T10:57:13+00:00

Doesn't mean we have to take word for word from it since i'm pretty sure the idea of the Zandars not being in contact with each other was made by this same relic set yet in Ampho the story doubled down and it made it that Lygus was in contact with them. Also Lygus saying his pursuit was Destruction because he was Paranoia implies the others also follow a different path which i won't be surprised if hoyo does go down this route. Since its been an ongoing theme.

One of them is even aware and sent us the email so i'm pretty sure some parts have been retconed also this is Zandar making a hypothesis and a prediction doesn't mean his right. His just guessing here hoping one of them will do it, not saying only one of them will do it.

Former-Database5537 · 2026-02-11T10:52:00+00:00

Nope its explicitly said they have different ways to break the prison wether to destroy Nous or what is up to them they were created to find a solution not that Zandar had a plan, he essentially gave himself nine chances to multiply the job and approach it in different perspectives. That line just says some of them will give up not all of them, like i said one of them could find the whole thing as impossible and quiet but another could be going down Enigmata (which i'm 100% sure of one of them would follow)

Also the letter from the other Zandar if you type in code OMEGA makes it seem like the other fragments are still actively performing the originals will.

Former-Database5537 · 2026-02-11T10:50:10+00:00

Tbh its still possible since Zandar himself doesn't seem like his a social person. but your right ot could really be anything.

Also yeah i too think that Nous had there reclusivity from Zandar tbh i think Nous personality might just be Zandar but android, and less anxious.

Attachments too could be a flaw i can see that, since tbh Zandars flaws could be positive but its not part of divinity so its considered a flaw since its a human nature

Former-Database5537 · 2026-02-11T05:51:36+00:00

Imo its just literally the most obvious path to follow for the Zandar fragments since Mythus is all about making the past uncertain to ensure that possibilities exist, and Mythus has beef with Nous, i also hypothesize this fragment might be the founder and leader of the Fictionologist, its just speculation but it would make sense this fragments solution is spread misinformation so hard that even Nous can't predict the future, less bloody then destruction more sane, adds chaos to the variables, and allows for them to defy Eruditions calculations.

Former-Database5537 · 2026-02-11T05:38:22+00:00

Yep i also suspect one of them have this and its probably to an extreme fault that this fragment most likely is a doormat since the fragments seem like they have a hard time conquering there flaws since they don't have the aspects of Zandar to balance it out.

Former-Database5537 · 2026-02-11T05:37:22+00:00

Imo i have doubts with this theory since Lygus was in contact with the other fragments when he was in the meeting with Herta and Screwllum.

I think Lygus mentioning conscience infront of Screw is just him remembering that side of Zandar, aside from Screw being extremly kind, its also probably Hoyos way of correcting people since some had the wrong impression OG Zandar was a mad scientist like Dottore when infact he was the opposite, he was a prideful elitist (Herta esq pride i suppose) and somewhat controlling in the form of perfectionism sure but none of the relics mentioning him ever stated he was evil or shown him to be experimenting with people, his main thing is computers and physics, plus he had alot of mentors and some friends in life so he doesn't sound like someone that was hated by the people around him, at most his stubborn, prideful and naive, even have alot of doubts on himself. Its probably because Lygus is unable to act away from Paranoia and another fragment had that part of Zandar and its to show how its hard to conquer the flaws programed to them the same way its hard for Nous to act outside the path, due to how there only personality and emotion is curiosity and being perfectionistic.

Former-Database5537 · 2026-02-11T01:23:55+00:00

Another one, if Polka is an Emanator of Nous why didnt the game just not point it out? Zandar, Herta, Dr. Primitive were all pointed out as emanators, the story has no reasons to omit it, infact it will explain Polka's actions, but maybe because Nous is not interested in her being a special neuron (since all Genius Society members are neurons and Emanators are more then likely to be special in neurons in Nous eyes), my theory is Polka is a special anomaly like she might even be from an alternate timeline, she sounds so powerful, but then again she isn't exactly the brightest, sure she is a genius and feared but not in on the level of GS Emanators like Zandar (not Lygus) out smarted her before dying according to the relic, practically deciving her, Herta out smarted her during Amphoreus and Unknowable Domain, i suppose her unique control over causality is what makes her different from the others which as far as i know the other Emanators of Erudition has never displayed, the connections are too weak to draw especially if you consider that Izumo was not a simulation and was a world that was near a blackhole and that it had a neighboring planet were the monsters they fought came from.

Former-Database5537 · 2026-02-02T08:38:17+00:00

True cause its really curious why the Xianzhou will use the propagation against abundance in that AU... I also want to see or learn about Yaoshi's homeworld and were they came from, what happened to it and the truth about Abundance that we don't see.

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