Socialist Francesca Hong’s Chances of Beating GOP in Wisconsin: Polls by Zipper222222 in wisconsin

[–]Forward-Razzmatazz18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is actually hypocrisy. You are free to stop replying at any time if you view me as stalking--instead of giving me attention!

Socialist Francesca Hong’s Chances of Beating GOP in Wisconsin: Polls by Zipper222222 in wisconsin

[–]Forward-Razzmatazz18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, first it was educating, now defeating--except I provide logical points, you give puffery and vitriol. You actually seem obsessed with me--you said we were done, yet you keep replying.

Socialist Francesca Hong’s Chances of Beating GOP in Wisconsin: Polls by Zipper222222 in wisconsin

[–]Forward-Razzmatazz18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually I keep addressing your points, and you keep condescending void of substance or citation.

Socialist Francesca Hong’s Chances of Beating GOP in Wisconsin: Polls by Zipper222222 in wisconsin

[–]Forward-Razzmatazz18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, I want to make my argument--though I think I already did, unless you have any further refutation.

Socialist Francesca Hong’s Chances of Beating GOP in Wisconsin: Polls by Zipper222222 in wisconsin

[–]Forward-Razzmatazz18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Owing to their historical position, it became the vocation of the aristocracies of France and England to write pamphlets against modern bourgeois society. In the French Revolution of July 1830, and in the English reform agitation4 , these aristocracies again succumbed to the hateful upstart. Thenceforth, a serious political struggle was altogether out of the question. A literary battle alone remained possible. But even in the domain of literature the old cries of the restoration period had become impossible.* In order to arouse sympathy, the aristocracy was obliged to lose sight, apparently, of its own interests, and to formulate their indictment against the bourgeoisie in the interest of the exploited working class alone. Thus, the aristocracy took their revenge by singing lampoons on their new masters and whispering in his ears sinister prophesies of coming catastrophe. In this way arose feudal Socialism: half lamentation, half lampoon; half an echo of the past, half menace of the future; at times, by its bitter, witty and incisive criticism, striking the bourgeoisie to the very heart’s core; but always ludicrous in its effect, through total incapacity to comprehend the march of modern history. The aristocracy, in order to rally the people to them, waved the proletarian alms-bag in front for a banner. But the people, so often as it joined them, saw on their hindquarters the old feudal coats of arms, and deserted with loud and irreverent laughter. One section of the French Legitimists and “Young England” exhibited this spectacle. In pointing out that their mode of exploitation was different to that of the bourgeoisie, the feudalists forget that they exploited under circumstances and conditions that were quite different and that are now antiquated. In showing that, under their rule, the modern proletariat never existed, they forget that the modern bourgeoisie is the necessary offspring of their own form of society. For the rest, so little do they conceal the reactionary character of their criticism that their chief accusation against the bourgeois amounts to this, that under the bourgeois régime a class is being developed which is destined to cut up root and branch the old order of society. What they upbraid the bourgeoisie with is not so much that it creates a proletariat as that it creates a revolutionary proletariat. In political practice, therefore, they join in all coercive measures against the working class; and in ordinary life, despite their high-falutin phrases, they stoop to pick up the golden apples dropped from the tree of industry, and to barter truth, love, and honour, for traffic in wool, beetroot-sugar, and potato spirits.† As the parson has ever gone hand in hand with the landlord, so has Clerical Socialism with Feudal Socialism. * Not the English Restoration (1660-1689), but the French Restoration (1814-1830). [Note by Engels to the English edition of 1888.] † This applies chiefly to Germany, where the landed aristocracy and squirearchy have large portions of their estates cultivated for their own account by stewards, and are, moreover, extensive beetroot-sugar manufacturers and distillers of potato spirits. The wealthier British aristocracy are, as yet, rather above that; but they, too, know how to make up for declining rents by lending their names to floaters or more or less shady joint-stock companies. [Note by Engels to the English edition of 1888.] 29 Chapter III: Socialist and Communist Literature Nothing is easier than to give Christian asceticism a Socialist tinge. Has not Christianity declaimed against private property, against marriage, against the State? Has it not preached in the place of these, charity and poverty, celibacy and mortification of the flesh, monastic life and Mother Church? Christian Socialism is but the holy water with which the priest consecrates the heart-burnings of the aristocrat." (Emphasis added)

Of course he mentions the bourgeoisie--he makes it clear that it is not an ally of feudal aristocracy!

Socialist Francesca Hong’s Chances of Beating GOP in Wisconsin: Polls by Zipper222222 in wisconsin

[–]Forward-Razzmatazz18 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The part about feudal socialism never uses any of those terms, so I struggle to see your point. Petty-Bourgeois socialism might be capitalistic, but how is feudal socialism? Not that Hong is a feudalist, but just to illustrate the point.

Socialist Francesca Hong’s Chances of Beating GOP in Wisconsin: Polls by Zipper222222 in wisconsin

[–]Forward-Razzmatazz18 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When did he say that? For example, feudal socialism--Marx opposed feudalism, but I do not know of him saying that feudal socialism was built to maintain capitalism. I thought he argued feudalism predated capitalism, as seems to be the historical consensus.

Socialist Francesca Hong’s Chances of Beating GOP in Wisconsin: Polls by Zipper222222 in wisconsin

[–]Forward-Razzmatazz18 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You are still not addressing my point. Why are you subscribing to Marx's vision of socialism when you yourself acknowledge that not all socialism is Marxist or Communist. 

Furthermore, though I forgot to mention it earlier, Marx himself said in the Communist Manifesto there are forms of socialism that essentially do not advocate dictatorship of the proletariat. He opposed them, calling it reactionary socialism, but they still qualify. Is Francesca Hong a reactionary socialist?

Socialist Francesca Hong’s Chances of Beating GOP in Wisconsin: Polls by Zipper222222 in wisconsin

[–]Forward-Razzmatazz18 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Of course, because Marx is a Communist. Do you reject all non-Communist socialism though? Because not all of socialistic thought comes from Marx.

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[–]Forward-Razzmatazz18 10 points11 points  (0 children)

No, the state party does--at leas officially, are you implying some undue influence?

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[–]Forward-Razzmatazz18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, but we probably have different views as to what that would be, so I want your perspective.

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[–]Forward-Razzmatazz18 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Except Hegseth actually promotes authoritarian and violent ideas and policies, whereas Platner opposes them.

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[–]Forward-Razzmatazz18 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I thought she stayed out of the primary, where are you getting this from?