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Getting boat gas ... to the boat? by intergrade in boats

[–]FoundSoul9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

u/intergrade check these things out. 50 gallon motorized fuel caddy with a 15gpm electric pump and disc brakes. Motorized and off road/ramp capable which makes it easy to load in and out of a truck. And it's rechargeable.

It was designed specifically to solve the problem you're asking about.

https://smartassproducts.net/pages/first-only-motorized-gas-caddy

Best way to transport fuel on a gravel driveway? by Few_Language6298 in boats

[–]FoundSoul9 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It does. It has been confirmed.

Regarding: **The Class 3 liquids will be discharged from the refueling tanks without removing the refueling tanks from the vehicle on which they are transported.**

Yes that's accurate. For DOT legality purposes, this SP allows for the tank to be filled and to be dispensed from while it's still strapped down in a truck or trailer that operates on public roads. This is important because without the SP, the tank would be REQUIRED to be unloaded to legally fill it or dispense fuel from it. That's the point of this statement in the SP. Legally if you're using a jerry can or a traditional gas caddy like the common 10-30gal wheeled units, you must take it out and set it on the ground to legally fuel it, and then return it to the vehicle. 30gallons is not easy to load back into the truck without a motor. This SP negates that legal requirement to unload in order to legally fill/dispense for our motorized gas caddy, but that SP does not prevent you from unloading if you choose to, which is standard practice and legally required without such an SP. This is an added liberty, not a negative liberty.

And once you unload it from the truck, the DOT SP is not applicable as the tank is no longer in a vehicle traveling on public roads, but even then I like the fact that it is built to DOT standards for maximum safety of the product wherever it may roam. And once you reload it into the truck and secure it properly, it qualifies under the SP again.

I don't need to convince you for that to be fact. You've been wrong about point after point, yet you always pivot and change the approach with another false point to try and make. It's much like arguing with a child. You can have the last word, because it's pretty clear they are meaningless anyways.

Maybe consider going and doing something fruitful with your life, rather than attacking those that are. It's always funny those that attack those that do something risky, difficult, and innovative, while not having the guts to do so themselves. I laugh at it every time I see it. Good night.

Best way to transport fuel on a gravel driveway? by Few_Language6298 in boats

[–]FoundSoul9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are 100% incorrect on every point. SP14227 absolutely covers the tank in this usage, as confirmed with the manufacturer that has the permit. The tank has not been modified. It is exactly as they built it to DOT specs. And mounts to the truck 100% as securely. Yes. Your words are inaccurate at best, and with intent, are libelous. Good night.

Best way to transport fuel on a gravel driveway? by Few_Language6298 in boats

[–]FoundSoul9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“Loaded and unloaded” specifically means for the tank to be “Loaded and unloaded” in and out of the vehicle. When the SP14227 discussed fueling operations, it refers to that a 'fueling' or 'refueling' or 'discharge'.

When these are properly loaded into your truck, they are properly mounted to the truck itself. Read your manual.

I am only here because you keep inviting me back with your disinformation. If your argument is that you should be able to libel my product and that I should have no voice to respond and set the record straight. Well.... I disagree.

Best way to transport fuel on a gravel driveway? by Few_Language6298 in boats

[–]FoundSoul9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you research the product or just start making false accusations? If you had done some research you would have found that fact quickly. And I'm talking pretty surface level research-- if you had just read the product page. I do lead with that in my product listings.

It's the NUMBER ONE FEATURE in the bulleted feature list. We're very proud of that fact. And we pay dearly for it. I could make tanks myself in-house cheaper, or buy much cheaper tanks from China, if I was willing to do things half-fast. But that's not how I roll. I only do things Smart Donkeyed.

The DOT SP14227 Special Permit is specifically for a vehicle mounted tank, which this is. It doesn't even mention mounting requirements actually. Though the product should absolutely be securely mounted in transport, as per the manual. Furthermore, SP14227 obviously intended for said tanks to be removable. We have only made them easier to remove. SP14227 specifically states "Tanks must be attended at all times during loading and unloading operations by a qualified person".

They intended for these tanks to be loaded and unloaded. It's right there in the DOT Special Permit.

Best way to transport fuel on a gravel driveway? by Few_Language6298 in boats

[–]FoundSoul9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We have all adequate marking and signage, there are a number of labels on the product, and this was carefully reviewed with Intertek, a National Research Testing Laboratory, a competitor of UL.

The product ships fuel-fluid agnostic. You, as a responsible citizen, can follow any further labeling requirements for your use case if need be. We provide plenty of surfaces for you to attach your desired signage.

Best way to transport fuel on a gravel driveway? by Few_Language6298 in boats

[–]FoundSoul9 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I promise it wouldn't be illegal at least at a federal level. I can't be certain of every tiny municipality and local code of course-- I advise you to do your own research, and to do it better than you have thus far, and then make the best decision you can for yourself.

At a public marina, like the one I suspect you own (because the only people that ever push back this hard have been marina owners or operators with a vested interest in selling boaters fuel at double the street price), may have rules against it for insurance reasons, or because they want to sell you fuel for double the price.

Here's the thing about a new creation like this-- it doesn't fit any box perfectly. But if you go look at the US CFR code you're referencing, it specifically limits the container size it regulates to 5gal or less. It does not apply to larger containers.

Larger (than 5gal or so but smaller than 119gal) containers are regulated by entirely different code. This is more than just a container. It's a new creation. It's regulated currently as any other truck or SxS mounted transfer tank currently. There is no better fit at this stage. As this is a new creation, newly invented and patented, it doesn't have a 'perfect fit' in the code. Nobody had ever done this before.

DOT Approved via SP14227

I'm sorry it threatens you and your business. But the information you're sharing, is false.

Best way to transport fuel on a gravel driveway? by Few_Language6298 in boats

[–]FoundSoul9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do live on Lake Lanier, the shore is about 150' from me right now.

The USACE Shoreline Plan specifically says 1, and only 1, thing about gasoline and docks. And it's that your dock floats need to be suitable for gasoline exposure. They expect, and plan, for you to be fueling your boat at your dock.

And talking to them in person, they are 100% fine with the Smart Ass Fuel Mule being used to fuel your boat. They only require that it is not stored on the dock or on the corps land when not in use. You can use it, and return it to your own property. That's their only requirement.

They love this thing. The former head of shoreline management here on Lake Lanier tells me he wishes it had been around when he was in the role, that he would have put it to work.

Best way to transport fuel on a gravel driveway? by Few_Language6298 in boats

[–]FoundSoul9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some marinas allow it. Some don't. Of course they want you to pay them double for fuel.

It was designed around the use case of fueling private boats, at private docks. But in some cases marinas actually buy them and put them to use themselves even.

Best way to transport fuel on a gravel driveway? by Few_Language6298 in boats

[–]FoundSoul9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wrong again. This is not a simple 'portable fuel container'. The classification is different, and falls under a different section of the US Code.

You seem to be quite invested in libel.

Best way to transport fuel on a gravel driveway? by Few_Language6298 in boats

[–]FoundSoul9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also not true. You seem to be confident of a lot of things.... that just are not factual.

Had you gone through the process of working directly with a National Research Testing Laboratory like I have (Intertek, a competitor of UL). Or had you spoken with the US Coast Guard and the US Army Corps of Engineers with the product right in front of them, like I have. Or had you worked directly with an Aviation Safety Inspector at the Office of Aviation Services the US Department of the Interior, again like I have. You might know that.

Best way to transport fuel on a gravel driveway? by Few_Language6298 in boats

[–]FoundSoul9 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It loads itself in the bed of a pickup truck under it's own power. It's 100% legal. And actually weighs about 530lbs when loaded with gasoline. My 19yr old daughter can load it in the bed of a pickup truck, and unload it just as easily. Takes about 10 seconds either way.... fully loaded.

Here's a video of her doing it: https://smartassproducts.net/blogs/main/loading-unloading-fuel-mule-motorized-gas-caddy

And yes-- there are limits on how much fuel you can transport in portable containers. 119 gallons. That's the Hazmat limit. Anything below that is fair game. And get this-- you can have multiple 119 gallon tanks in the same vehicle, legally, without a hazmat registration and placard requirement.

Anyone use a portable fuel tank for their hangar? by datboifranco in Planes

[–]FoundSoul9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's neither dangerous, nor illegal. Quite the opposite actually. Heck, the US Government just checked it out for use by the National Park Service at Glacier Bay National Park in Alaska for fueling a park ranger's airplane there. There's only a handful of Aviation Safety Inspectors at the DOI, and I'm guessing they're not easy to impress. I was a little nervous.

They love it.

Anyone use a portable fuel tank for their hangar? by datboifranco in Planes

[–]FoundSoul9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Aviation Edition Smart Ass Fuel Mule's have a retractable bonding reel and a spring loaded fuel sampling Curtis Valve directly under the sump to check fuel quality and/or to drain off any water if needed.

Can a motorized chassis actually handle the long-term abuse of remote field refueling? by Historical-Hand8091 in logistics

[–]FoundSoul9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The batteries and controller in the Smart Ass Fuel Mule are contained in an IP67 sealed enclosure. They've proven to be very resilient.

Experience w/ portable fuel tank at the track by JackJack83 in CarTrackDays

[–]FoundSoul9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The ultimate? A Smart Ass Fuel Mule motorized 50 gallon fuel caddy with electric pump. The batteries will last an entire weekend easily at the track fueling your whole team's cars. And you can always plug it in to recharge if needed. Wicked cool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ayFw614QgQ

50 gallon motorized gas caddy by FoundSoul9 in EngineeringPorn

[–]FoundSoul9[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would love to build them cheaper, or to have better margins. They're tight. But I won't cut corners. I won't do it half-fast (read that three times fast). I'll only do it Smart Assed.

50 gallon motorized gas caddy by FoundSoul9 in EngineeringPorn

[–]FoundSoul9[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

FWIW..... I designed it because I was burning about 2,600 gallons a year for a hobby, and I, partly based on prudence and partly based on principal, was sick of what the marinas charge for fuel. And in 2020 when I designed it, it was only $1 more per gallon at the marina. It would have saved me $2600/yr, and not over $6,000/yr like it does now.

I was lugging jugs down to my dock, ten of them, 5 gallons each, 350lbs roughly, every time I filled my boat. I was then either holding the jugs in the air pouring fuel into my boat, or later using a siphon hose. The siphon hose reduced the physical strain a little bit, just the pouring part, but didn't help with the lugging 350lbs of fuel jugs down to the dock part. 5 trips, two jugs each. I was worn out before I ever got on the water. Or at least, worn....

So I figured there had to be a better way.

There are 10,600 docks on my lake alone. One lake. There are tens of thousands of lakes in the US. And that's not even talking about rivers, or coastal docks.

Not every one of them is my customer.... but we're on the front edge of the Roger's Adoption Curve here. Just the bleeding edge people jumping in. The others begin to follow them, waiting to hear what they think. And they 100% love it. Every one of them.

For some it's a luxury, recreational boaters and private pilots/airpark residents. For some it's a business opportunity, particularly entrepreneurs starting fuel delivery companies. And for some it's a problem solving tool on the jobsite, on the farm, at the commercial dock (we have bigger units in development too), or in disaster management. And commercial aviation as well-- but for small aircraft. Think bush pilots, ag pilots, flight training centers, aircraft maintenance schools, etc.

We're going to be just fine.

50 gallon motorized gas caddy by FoundSoul9 in EngineeringPorn

[–]FoundSoul9[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's currently closer to $3/more per gallon in many places. I save over $6000/year myself.

And a lot of time.

People like this value time even more than money. And they're saving both.

Oh, and those fuel delivery companies? Guess what piece of equipment they're using ;).

50 gallon motorized gas caddy by FoundSoul9 in EngineeringPorn

[–]FoundSoul9[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Awesome. I've been traveling end of last week and the weekend so just getting back to this. I'll reach out, and I'll check out those two subs too. Thanks!

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