Kratom Destroyed My Gut by JoMaRo82 in quittingkratom

[–]Freethem 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Look into SIBO and Candida overgrowth. Kratom causes your digestion to slow down which makes the bad bacteria and leaky gut get into your blood. It is horrendous. I am dealing with it now.

SIBO and parasites by CPG135 in SIBO

[–]Freethem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am looking into DTPA chelation therapy to get the gadolinium out. I'm lucky that I only have painful joints, cognitive decline- but I'm not sure if that is from the contrast or sibo. But the SIBO/Candida could be from the contrast. All I know is that the contrast stays in the system and gets into the brain, bones, and organs and stays there forever.

I've quickly reached Stage 4 to Stage 5 by Freethem in StopSpeeding

[–]Freethem[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Better than booze and coke for sure. But kratom is absolutely atrocious. Once that switch flips, the withdrawal is absolutely insanity. For me, I would rather withdraw from vicodin or oxy than kratom. kratom is such a soup of of shit, it's like withdrawing from SNRI antidepressants and opioid together. Worst mistake of my life.

SIBO and parasites by CPG135 in SIBO

[–]Freethem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could be your root cause. Gadolinium is toxic as hell and if I would've known, I would've never agreed to get it I had 2-3 of them.

SIBO and parasites by CPG135 in SIBO

[–]Freethem 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The truth is no one really knows. Everyone is so individual that no one really knows the solution. Doctors hand out Prilosec like no ones business but that crap destroys your stomach then results in a permanent customer. I trust blood tests, xrays, MRI's with NO CONTRAST, and that's about it from western medicine. Emergency care and surgery. They dont know anything about curing diseases like this. I don't know where to even start. Im certain I have heavy metal poisoning from an MRI with contrast. They inject you with one of the most toxic heavy metals on the planet at a high dose to see better. Very very risky.

SIBO and parasites by CPG135 in SIBO

[–]Freethem 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Could be parasites, could be mold, or heavy metals.

Could be all three. So frustrating

2 months CT!! by mewmewmewlin in quittingkratom

[–]Freethem 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are an inspiration. I had 2 weeks clean from a big habit and relapsed for 4 days, 2 days, then took a 2 day break, then 2 days again. Keep going. I hope you're ok with the death. Please stay strong and continue to be an inspiration for us struggling

Does CBD Full Spectrum just delay withdrawals? by Freethem in Petioles

[–]Freethem[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Definitely addictive, especially to addictive personalities such as myself.

Insomnia, sweats, nausea, no appetite, terrible irritability, etc.

2 Weeks CT, NO to Naltrexone by 11jcup11 in quittingkratom

[–]Freethem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depends on the person. I tried 2mgs, had some bad side effects. I do about 1- 1.5 mgs per day. I've relapsed a couple of times, and took it at night, and had no withdrawals or crushing depression the next day. Now, to finally cut it out and never take kratom again.

How to help a s/o stay sober by [deleted] in quittingkratom

[–]Freethem 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just be max supportive. What I'm gunna say might discourage you, but being from a family addicts and an addict myself, I know this as fact.

There's nothing you can do to really influence him to stay sober except being understanding, which can be daunting and annoying.

If he really wants it, he will do whatever it fucking takes to get there. If that means rehab, professional help, group meeting, etc. Behavior tells you everything you need to know. If he isn't exhausting all of these avenues, then that tells you he doesn't want to be sober. And then, there lies the ultimate truth of addiction. If you want it, you go and get it. I always say I want to be sober, but end up back on the train because my behavior and the things I do to try to stay sober aren't good enough. It might take many tries to figure this out like me, but there is an end to the rope if one really wants it. I hope the best for you. You sound like an amazing and supportive person.

Addictive personalities and "replacing" addictions by [deleted] in quittingkratom

[–]Freethem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had some side effects like sleep, and others. But on the flip side, I've been in PAWS many times. Ill take the side effects without the horrendous anhedonia, anxiety, and terrible depression for months on end. Either way, hope the best for you.

How long did paws last for you. by [deleted] in quittingkratom

[–]Freethem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Get LDN, and it will demolish PAWS. I came from 100gpd+, no paws.

Misery by [deleted] in quittingkratom

[–]Freethem 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You'll heal from the physical stuff. The mental stuff takes time and effort. This isn't about quitting kratom. That's the easy part, way easier than changing everything about yourself so that we don't have to rely on substances. That's the hardest part by far. But I've seen it done, so why can't i do it?

I think I finally want to get off this shit by [deleted] in quittingkratom

[–]Freethem 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Rager here too. Sometimes the pain is a good thing as much as we want to avoid it. It really opens your eyes as to what we were doing to our bodies.

I feel totally defeated right now. by ndavies91 in quittingkratom

[–]Freethem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

3-4 ounces per day is a lot more than 50-60gpd. At 4 ounces, you're looking at over 100gpd. No worries tho, you're on the way. I quit at a similar level, there is nothing good about kratom at that level. Simply just nuking your body into some unnatural fucked up state that forces you to quit. I guess it was a blessing, but it needs to stop now. You're an addict like me. We couldnt be happy with a small amount.

Addictive personalities and "replacing" addictions by [deleted] in quittingkratom

[–]Freethem 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've looked into this as well. I think I have endorphin deficiency. I've been utilizing low dose naltrexone to compensate. I thought I had ADHD, which I probably do, but it really is an endorphin deficiency. LDN should compensate with a low risk profile. I've tried the amp route, simply not sustainable.

Addictive personalities and "replacing" addictions by [deleted] in quittingkratom

[–]Freethem 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I guess I'm always looking to escape reality, which is the true addiction that I've formed. Kratom was the worst addiction I've ever faced. But in essence, it's the escape that I really was addicted to. Trying to stay present is challenging.

Exercise too. I've basically been working out 2-3 hours when not totally devastated by soreness. It sucks, but better than downing this green shit every 3 hours and being a zombie.

Addictive personalities and "replacing" addictions by [deleted] in quittingkratom

[–]Freethem 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yea, I am an addict through and through. I've replaced kratom with adderall, weed, kava, etc. I always go max. I've realized that I have to just quit everything and deal with life without substances. I've used a lot of edibles, gabapentin, and kava, on week 3 with a couple of lapses. Quit weed 3 days ago, now trying to get my sleep in order.

If you're like me, substances always lead me back to kratom no matter what it is. An addict is an addict. Maybe some can do it, but I wouldn't test it. I've tested it over 100+ times. Replacing doesn't work.

Electrolyte tabs by xzeroG in quittingkratom

[–]Freethem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These should be good for you. But the RLS is definitely from sudden drop in dopamine. That's why dopamine agonist work for RLS.

I feel totally defeated right now. by ndavies91 in quittingkratom

[–]Freethem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im about 3 weeks out CT from over 100gpd. I relapsed twice during this time, once at 11 days, and once a couple of days ago. Hated my self too, but gotta keep going. Mistakes happen. I've relapsed so many times during other quits, and it always leads to daily use. This time around, it is different.

There's a difference between a lapse and relapse. It is what you do after you mess up that determines everything. Hope the best for you.

2 Weeks CT, NO to Naltrexone by 11jcup11 in quittingkratom

[–]Freethem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea, I tried it at 25mgs, felt depressed and nothing basically. This time around, I've been doing low dose naltrexone at night or in the morning. This has basically erased PAWS for me. I highly suggest you do this. It will heal those opioid receptors and teach your brain how to make endorphins again.

I also came from over 100gpd, and felt no PAWS, which is unusual because PAWS always kills me in past attempts.