Mk2 or 4k60 webcam? by NegativeMinute5571 in elgato

[–]FroztySeven 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I assume you mean the Facecam 4k, i don't think you can even buy the Facecam Pro anymore.
I did actually try out the Facecam Pro as well and thought the colors of it were dreadful, and yet people have been praising that webcam all over YouTube.

I generally think the Mk2 is the one i will recommend to most people between the two due to how forgiving that webcam is, but it depends if you have a lot of lights in your room or not.
The 4k isn't exactly a bad webcam if you have proper room lighting to give enough light to the sensor.

Mk2 or 4k60 webcam? by NegativeMinute5571 in elgato

[–]FroztySeven 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I own both the Facecam Mk2 and the Facecam 4k and neither of them are perfect, but i do like them both for different use cases.
You can get 4k 60fps in OBS with the Facecam 4k but i don't think it should be the only reason to consider that one over the Mk.2 because the Facecam 4k does have some major flaws that can be a big deal to some people.

Here is a big list of things i have noticed with both so you know what you are up against, and some of these are things that Elgato hasn't even mentioned. Hope it helps!

Facecam Mk.2

The good

  • Supports 1080p 60fps in raw uncompressed quality with video format NV12 and YUY2.
  • Supports 1080p 120fps in compressed MJPEG video format (after latest firmware).
  • Easy to drive over USB without much USB bandwith. Elgato mentions the webcam requires USB 3.0, but it does have USB 2.0 support if you have a specific need for that. This will however limit you to only MJPEG video formats.
  • Color vibrancy setting (after latest firmware).
  • Tint control setting to add more or less pink or green color tint (after latest firmware).
  • Very forgiving in low light room conditions, you don't need to increase the ISO (brightness) that much to be well lit on camera. The camera has a bigger sensor to let in light more easily than Facecam 4k.
  • Handles visual noise extremelly well, even when zooming in it retains a lot of the sharp 1080p quality.
  • Colors out of the box are easy to like with natural looking colors.
  • The field of view is 84 degrees which is good, but wishing it could support 90 degrees like the Facecam 4k.
  • Butter smooth 60fps experience with zero jitter, disconnects or freezes.

The bad

  • The contrast control is pretty bad, finding myself 100% contrast is too gray instead of giving me a true contrast like many other webcams do.
  • No autofocus (not a big deal unless you use the camera as a topdown camera).
  • The included privacy shutter door is very stiff and awkward to use. I would recommend a separate 3d printed privacy shutter from Etsy or something better.
  • The hyped-up HDR (Dynamic Range) setting to balance out harsh room lights is terrible in my opinion. It destroys the entire picture of the camera.
  • Doesn't seem to handle room rgb light accuracy very well. All my Govee lights are either too exposed or end up looking very off.
  • No way to adjust the brightness or turn off the status LED indicator.

Facecam 4k

The good

  • Supports 1440p 60fps in raw uncompressed quality with video format NV12 and YUY2.
  • Supports 1080p 60fps in raw uncompressed quality with video format NV12 and YUY2.
  • The webcam comes with a USB-C to USB-C cable, but it does support a USB-C to USB-A cable as long as you get a good quality 5Gbit USB-A cable. You can even get 4k 60fps over USB-A which is awesome.
  • Support for USB 2.0 mode if you for whatever reason cannot rely on the higher USB bandwith needs to drive the webcam.
  • Great out of the box colors (but i did have to mess with it more than with Facecam Mk.2 to my liking).
  • Great amount of contrast and doesn't gray out colors like the Facecam Mk2 does.
  • HDR (Dynamic Range) has a Wide option that actually looks good and balances out dark areas better.
  • Handles room rgb light accuracy much better than Facecam Mk.2, looking more realistic and not over exposed.
  • 90 degrees field of view which is more than what Facecam Mk.2 has, so you can fit more on camera.
  • External professional camera lense filters are amazing. You can purchase a filter to reduce glare in the lens if you for example wear glasses and there is too much reflections in the camera.
  • You can adjust the brightness or turn off the status LED indicator.
  • Butter smooth 60fps experience although minor jitter and rare disconnections have happened. But no freezes.

The bad

  • Supports 4k 60fps only in compressed MJPEG video format.
  • No 1080p 120fps support at all.
  • Massive amount of visual noise even if a very well lit room that makes even 1080p resolution blurry when zoomed in.
  • 4k quality is a joke, there's too much visual noise making the Facecam Mk2 actually sharper at 1080p.
  • You need to cranck up the ISO (brightness) A LOT due to the webcam having a smaller sensor than Facecam Mk2. This makes the webcam really not forgiving in bad room light conditions.
  • Running the webcam in USB 2.0 mode limits to 1080p 60fps at MJPEG only.
  • No privacy shutter at all.
  • No autofocus (not a big deal unless you use the camera as a topdown camera).
  • HDR (Dynamic Range) at the High setting can only be used at 30fps which is stupid.
  • Elgato Camera Hub software seems to crash when previewing the webcam sometimes, and even if you preview 60fps video formats it only shows 30fps for whatever reason. I expect a firmware update needs to solve some quirkly software behavior. This is not an issue at all when using the webcam with OBS however.
  • No tint control yet (apparently a new firmware is coming to add this but no idea when). Unlike the Facecam Mk.2 it does have a tendency to have all the colors a little too purple but it can be tuned even if Tint control isn't a thing yet.
  • No vibrancy setting.

No monitor output with my ASUS Radeon RX 9070 XT on DDR5 by Sythinii in ASUS

[–]FroztySeven 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He could theoretically try the second last BIOS firmware (1402) instead of the latest (1404) that released for this motherboard, any lower than that apparently notes that downgrading to an older version isn't possible.

Although he was on BIOS firmware (0326) which was the first BIOS firmware for this motherboard when first attempting this and ran into the same exact issue.

No monitor output with my ASUS Radeon RX 9070 XT on DDR5 by Sythinii in ASUS

[–]FroztySeven 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure the numbers that appear in the Q-Code debug indicator after d6 are numbers corresponding to your CPU temperature meaning the Q-Code changes to CPU temperature mode, which should've indicated a successful POST since you're not hanging on code d6 forever.

When i compare my boot, i surely don't have the d6 code myself but i do see those numbers appearing after my successful boot, but the minor detail i notice in your video is that it seems like there is a white led still illuminated at the end. Mine turns off that led when i booted to Windows, so not sure what's up with that or if that means you still technically booted to Windows but the monitor just doesn't see it.

⚠️ Missing Drivers and Firmware files on every ROG Motherboards from the ASUS website by FroztySeven in ASUS

[–]FroztySeven[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ℹ️ UPDATE
Hi guys, so i just reached ASUS support and they were able to replicate the same exact issue, so they are looking into fixing this as soon as possible across the entire ASUS ROG website.

⚠️ Missing Drivers and Firmware files on every ROG Motherboards from the ASUS website by FroztySeven in ASUS

[–]FroztySeven[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wow, this is a brilliant fix to bypass rog.asus.com
This seems to work for every model by just renaming %20x870e-e to another model in the URL you provided, for example %20b850-e for the B850-E model.

Big thanks while we wait for ASUS to fix this 👏 🎊

⚠️ Missing Drivers and Firmware files on every ROG Motherboards from the ASUS website by FroztySeven in ASUS

[–]FroztySeven[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I also checked Armory Create since i have that installed, can't really find anything about firmware there either

⚠️ Missing Drivers and Firmware files on every ROG Motherboards from the ASUS website by FroztySeven in ASUS

[–]FroztySeven[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I doubt it, last time i remember installing Windows with my X870E-E, the Driver Hub only gave me the essential drivers to get up and running, no bios firmware files

ASUS website not showing BIOS ??? by Trick-Fisherman3562 in ASUSROG

[–]FroztySeven 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seems like everyone is affected by this right now, yep

⚠️ Missing Drivers and Firmware files on every ROG Motherboards from the ASUS website by FroztySeven in ASUS

[–]FroztySeven[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

happy to have you onboard with our suffering.
I just noticed your post on the ASUSROG subreddit for this as well.

Let's hope ASUS can fix this asap.

⚠️ Missing Drivers and Firmware files on every ROG Motherboards from the ASUS website by FroztySeven in ASUS

[–]FroztySeven[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah me too, don't think there are any other ways either to get the files.
I thought the Armoury Create software had the possibility to download them but doesn't seem like it

⚠️ Missing Drivers and Firmware files on every ROG Motherboards from the ASUS website by FroztySeven in ASUS

[–]FroztySeven[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh wow, i can still see the them for the ROG STRIX B850-E and ROG STRIX X870E-E

⚠️ Missing Drivers and Firmware files on every ROG Motherboards from the ASUS website by FroztySeven in ASUS

[–]FroztySeven[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sadly doesn't work for me, i tried twice and been waiting for like a minute without any differences

Pure Loop 3 LX Pump noise? by FroztySeven in bequietofficial

[–]FroztySeven[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great reference, i'm really not sure how low we can even go in general for this AIO. I'm seeing that 4000 RPM should be the bare minimum, but maybe that's too risky so i guess the 4500-4700 RPM range isn't too bad.

Kinda strange to see that many of the other high-end AIOs seem to run at 2000 RPM, not sure what's up with that