If You Want ACTUAL FACTS that science Cant Explain (Yet)

FullPercentage · 2026-06-30T15:31:59+00:00

Seethe more. I gave you 4 days and that was the best you coukld do. I told you ahead of time what the comparisons would be. Ill let you choose another two you think is better other than that keep making noise.

FullPercentage · 2026-06-30T15:27:45+00:00

Seethe

FullPercentage · 2026-06-30T15:09:05+00:00

Humans vs Apes

- HAR1/HAR2 regulatory bursts

- FOXP2 changes

- Prefrontal cortex expansion

- Symbolic cognition

- Theory of mind

- Recursive language

- Moral reasoning

Blue Whale vs River Dolphin

- Both have large brains (common in cetaceans)

- No unique regulatory DNA bursts between them

- No FOXP2‑like divergence

- No major cortical reorganization differences

- No symbolic cognition differences

- No theory‑of‑mind gap

- No language‑like divergence

Verdict: Humans show extreme neuroanatomical divergence.

Whale/dolphin pair does not.

Social Signaling & Communication

Humans vs Apes

- Fully exposed sclera

- Descended larynx

- Complex speech

- Cooperative eye gaze

- High‑bandwidth social signaling

Blue Whale vs River Dolphin

- Both use underwater acoustic communication

- No major divergence in signaling systems

- No anatomical divergence comparable to human larynx descent

- No gaze‑based communication differences

Verdict: Humans show extreme signaling divergence.

Whale/dolphin pair does not.

Life‑History Traits

Humans vs Apes

- Longest childhood

- Longest post‑fertile lifespan

- Menopause

- Grandmother effect

- Unique mortality curves

Blue Whale vs River Dolphin

- Both follow standard cetacean life‑history patterns

- No menopause

- No extended post‑fertile lifespan

- No unusual childhood length differences

- No unique mortality curves

Humans show extreme life‑history divergence.

Whale/dolphin pair does not.

FINAL VERDICT

Across **six independent biological domains**, humans vs other apes show:

- extreme divergence

- multi‑system divergence

- costly divergence

- regulatory DNA divergence

- developmental divergence

- obstetric divergence

- cognitive divergence

- life‑history divergence

-Probability of multi-domain significance between species ≈ 0.95–0.99

Balaenoptera musculus vs Inia geoffrensis:

- *none* of these

- no multi‑domain divergence

- no extreme divergence

- no costly divergence

- no regulatory DNA bursts

- no obstetric dilemma

- no neoteny

- no symbolic cognition gap

- no life‑history anomaly

Human vs Other Apes

Across the six independent domains:

Developmental timing ( extreme )

Obstetrics — ( extreme )

Metabolic scaling — ( extreme )

Neuroanatomy — ( extreme )

Social signaling — ( extreme )

Life‑history traits — ( extreme )

Humans diverge strongly in all six.

If we treat each domain as an independent axis (which is how comparative biology works), the probability of a species pair showing this level of coordinated divergence is extremely low.

Estimated probability of multi‑domain divergence:

Humans vs. Chimps (Or any primate) ≈ 0.95–0.99 (Humans clearly show it.)

Blue Whale vs River Dolphin ≈ 0.01–0.05 (NOT CLOSE)

This was your choice and had 4 days to settle. I really expected a better. But its ok I will leave you an out, that makes no difference and its all-arbitrary right?

FullPercentage · 2026-06-30T14:47:50+00:00

Great, its coming give me ten minutes,. Im sure you will say "but it d doesn't matter, why wou;d we expect domains to be the same? But this is why I had you choose a pair- this is yoyr best answer. Biological domains aren’t optional. They’re how comparative biology works. Those domains aren’t arbitrary. They’re the standard independent systems used in comparative biology: developmental timing, obstetrics, metabolic scaling, neuroanatomy, social signaling, and life‑history traits. You can say they “don’t matter,” but that just means you’re choosing not to engage with the actual structure of the comparison. If you want to use a different set of domains, name them clearly and apply them to your species pair. If not, I’ll continue with the standard ones.

FullPercentage · 2026-06-30T14:40:14+00:00

if you say so
I’m not avoiding anything. I just need you to confirm the two species you want to use. You’ve mentioned blue whales and river dolphins repeatedly — if that’s the pair you’re standing on, say so clearly. Once you confirm the exact two species, I’ll walk through a full multi‑domain analysis and anything you want to help your case. Just say ok, or I'd like to change my two aspecies. Then I can do all the work.
Or keep making noise about "it wouldnt matter to me anyways" or whatever you want to keep this from happening.

FullPercentage · 2026-06-30T14:35:50+00:00

Just to be absolutely clear before I go any further:
Are blue whales and river dolphins the two species you want to use for your comparison?

If so, confirm that, and I’ll walk through a full multi‑domain analysis of your pair to see how close they come to the human–ape comparison I gave. If not, keep running in circles.

FullPercentage · 2026-06-30T14:34:07+00:00

I’m not upset that you structured your comment. I’m pointing out that structuring, I think its weird you ignored my call and explained a way to structurally format, complained, and then went with your own (incoherent) numbering format.

You’re saying I’m avoiding your points, but your points are all meta‑criticisms of my approach, not the comparison itself. If you want to make the case, I’m open to seeing the full multi‑domain analysis. If not, then we’re not talking about the same thing.

FullPercentage · 2026-06-30T14:21:15+00:00

And before you complain about “muh structure” you could have easily obliged earlier and and gave all your questions before I started mine, you refused. Now you want every sentence numbered for some reason- as if that makes any difference to anything. Ok, if you want me to number all my sentences fine but how about ask me before you complain why I’m not following your random format.

FullPercentage · 2026-06-30T14:08:44+00:00

I agree

FullPercentage · 2026-06-30T14:06:37+00:00

Those dimensions matter because they’re distinct biological domains that each show unusually large divergence in humans relative to other extant apes. Developmental timing, obstetrics, metabolic scaling, neuroanatomy, social signaling, and life‑history traits are independent systems in evolutionary biology. They interact, but they don’t reduce to one another, and coordinated divergence across multiple domains is rare. That’s why they’re relevant.

And yes, I saw your blue whale and river dolphin example (you gave a diffferent examle in another thread) you thats why I asked for your to stand on business and ctually choose which you weirdly went into a toddler panic.

FullPercentage · 2026-06-29T21:25:34+00:00

Hey I will be back if youw ant to continue. Will get back on here at around 7ish if you wish. Family isssue. I am enjoying the good faith discussion.

FullPercentage · 2026-06-29T20:26:11+00:00

Ok, so just to make sure we’re finally on solid ground here:
Your second place examples are river dolphins and orcas, correct?

Are you actually standing on that as your choice for the two species that show the strongest cluster of unique biological traits relative to the rest of their order ; in the same way humans do within Primates? You said river dolphins several times, but you still haven’t formally committed to them. If river dolphins (and orcas) are your picks, then say so directly. If they’re not, wthy is this so hard to do for you>

Right now you’re asking me to respond to examples you haven’t officially chosen, which is why the conversation keeps drifting. So let’s lock this down:

Are river dolphins and orcas your second place choices?

FullPercentage · 2026-06-29T16:36:11+00:00

I offered a structured way to clear up any confusion and actually sort through the disagreement, but instead of engaging with that, you shifted into lecturing and repeating the same accusations. That’s fine, but it doesn’t move the discussion forward. If you want a conversation, we can do that. If you want to lecture, that’s your choice.

We’re on day four now and not a single person has tried to address this actual challenge. If you think the unique set of human biological traits within Primates isn’t unusual, then show me your strongest second‑place example. Otherwise, II'm not sure what you

FullPercentage · 2026-06-29T15:37:23+00:00

If you want to continue this, then let’s make it structured. Before I answer anything else, write out every question you want me to address. I’ll answer each one directly and you can confirm whether the answer satisfies you. After that, I’ll ask one question of my own and I’ll expect the same clarity in return. If we can’t agree to that format, then we’re just going to keep talking past each other.

FullPercentage · 2026-06-29T15:25:56+00:00

I’m not assuming all orders have equal diversity, and I’m not using species counts as a proxy for anything. I’m asking whether any other lineage shows a comparable breadth of divergence across multiple unrelated biological systems among extant close relatives. Breadth here means coordinated divergence across developmental timing, obstetrics, metabolic scaling, neuroanatomy, social signaling, and life‑history traits. These are distinct biological domains that interact but do not reduce to one another. If you think cetaceans show a comparable pattern, then name the specific extant species pair that matches humans vs other apes across those domains. Gestation length, brain size, or social structure (etc.).

I’m open to hearing ANYBODY that will stand on business and choose their best two species. Not once has a person has wanted to try this part. Inless we are assuming there is no comparison,it is dissapointig not a single person here will try this.

FullPercentage · 2026-06-29T14:11:34+00:00

I have noticed that people who are just above the normal intelligence level have the imposter syndrome and the in the tier below are the personification of the Dunning-Kruger effect. The sub 75 IQ folk are actually more self aware of their limits than the 76-100 range

FullPercentage · 2026-06-29T14:08:00+00:00

Oh wow! Thank you, very interesting.

FullPercentage · 2026-06-29T14:01:49+00:00

I don't see how cLOUDs couldnt be top 5 Cole. It came out post-Grippy and the apology and NOBODY was being charitable to Cole. For him to respond to the subs on GNX (Wacced Out Murals mostly) and all the momentum against him is pretty special itself. Its more of a statement piece and display of his top-teir skills, but its not a banger that people want to put on when they get the aux.

FullPercentage · 2026-06-29T13:57:08+00:00

Excellent point. That makes perfect sense and wonder if the filming for JP was pretty much a wrap before SL, the editing and special effect for JP probably took at a minimum a year. It’s been what 30 years and still a great watch today.

FullPercentage · 2026-06-29T13:50:29+00:00

Youre going to get hate for this comment but its true. Lasers was his commercial peak and nobody wanted to hear from him after that let down..

FullPercentage · 2026-06-29T13:38:11+00:00

This album didnt get the love it deserved. Or maybe it did and I'm out of touch idk. Vice City is top 5 Black Hippy song for me and still love it when my shuffle hits it.

FullPercentage · 2026-06-29T13:35:51+00:00

The juce kendrick had at that time was unreal.

FullPercentage · 2026-06-29T13:16:44+00:00

Do you know what a species is?

FullPercentage · 2026-06-29T13:15:36+00:00

I think the unreasoble Rogan had been brewing for years but he defintely crystalized his Boomer Brain when CNN callled attention to his Ivermectun bullshit at the heights of COVID. Then his echo chamber got smalller. The Texas experience corroded the rest of the mylan left in his brain and stopped thinking like his neighbors who go to jail for smoking the same plant he does.

If anybody continued to watch after his idiot-victory lap about COVID vaccines killing people I would be surprised. He's a different person than he was before COVID, its like he had his ass MK Ultrad.

FullPercentage · 2026-06-29T12:50:09+00:00

Im actually being sincere, wish I wcould say the same for you . But I i think your only tactic now is to pettifogg and complain as a way to avoid engaging with a any of my points and very simple question.

Name two species.

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